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Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The problem about Shough that isn't an issue with these other examples is that he is being drafted based on the tape he put in at 25yo playing against 20yo kids.

Michael Lewis doesn't count because he was just a role player. His career wouldn't justify a #40 overall pick. Had Lewis been drafted #40 overall based on the tape he could put up at 29 against college kids, that would obviously have been a mistake.

Staubach was drafted based on what he did in college up to age 21, at the time they allowed redshirt juniors to be drafted and still play their senior year. He was drafted at 22 based on his play at 21, then played another year of college, 4 years in the military, and was a rookie at 27.

Kurt Warner was an UDFA at 23yo who didn't make the team, then played 3 years in the Arena league against men his own age, improved his skills, and made the best of another shot in the NFL. He proved his worth against players his age.

Warren Moon was a similar situation with the CFL.

Russell Wilson was 23yo as NFL rookie, and was drafted in the 3rd round. He also played 4 full seasons in college and won the starting job every season except his redshirt year.

Shough is more like Weinke or Weeden. Its not that he cannot succeed. I hope he succeeds. Its that you can't totally believe what you see on tape versus kids who are 5 years younger than him. We have to get lucky. There is no tape of Shough looking like an NFL QB against players his age, the last time he faced players his age he looked mediocre. I would feel better about Shough if he had declared for the draft 3 years ago, gone undrafted, went to the CFL or XFL, etc, won rings there, and we won a bidding war for his NFL services. Sam Darnold is only 21 months older than Shough.

The Louisville tape all year showed enough for most, against way better competition than what Colorado faced.

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Regarding Sanders, teams just don’t want to deal with this. You just don’t draft him, you draft the entire circus and the minute he’s on your team, it becomes a major distraction. What sf76 said also factors in. Quite a few analysts have shared the thought.

I’m waiting to be pleasantly surprised with Shough. I certainly don’t love the pick but some had him graded as the best quarterback in the draft. People tend to get caught up in “draft rankings” while in reality, teams don’t give a crap about how some media head ranks these players.

[rezburna]

Everything after Kelvin Banks has been questionable at best. Banks is going to be great. I have no doubt in my mind.

Tyler Shough is about to be given 2 or 3 years to prove Loomis right and then they'll be right back in the QB market. He's not an accurate QB. He's not an elite processor before the snap. He panics when he senses pressure. He's a lesser version of Derek Carr who couldn't light it up in the ACC as a 6th year senior. Most of the forum has never heard of him and has never watched a game of his because most fans don't watch football, they watch the team they like. I watched Shough. If you want to take a flyer on size and potential you take an athletic freak like Milroe. All the attempts to justify picking a guy like that in that spot that you haven't watched based on YouTube highlights and a synopsis of his strengths and weaknesses is crazy. The film. The injury history. The stats. Nothing about him says 2nd round pick.

Vernon Broughton is cool, but you take him over a big, athletic EDGE rusher like Landon Jackson who then goes the very next pick to a well run organization...the Buffalo Bills. Kaleb Johnson was still on the board. Savion Williams was still on the board. Emery Jones. What did we even draft? A 3-4 DE? A 4-3 DT? Is he going to be a 3-4 NT? There are several DT prospects still available....

Then there's Jonas Sanker. A young DB that's not being brought in to start for obvious reasons. A special teams draft pick. Is safety a pressing need for the Saints? I wouldn't say so. I can't pass much judgement on him. I didn't watch much of any VA football the last few years. Would have been a good time to trade drown and gather more picks for depth.

The vision for this team is blurry just as it is for the Pelicans and there are a few common denominators.

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I'm hoping the Saints keep their picks and have sleeper candidates particularly at RB, WR, CB and maybe LB. We'll need them.

[SmashMouth]

Originally Posted by rezburna

Everything after Kelvin Banks has been questionable at best. Banks is going to be great. I have no doubt in my mind.

Tyler Shough is about to be given 2 or 3 years to prove Loomis right and then they'll be right back in the QB market. He's not an accurate QB. He's not an elite processor before the snap. He panics when he senses pressure. He's a lesser version of Derek Carr who couldn't light it up in the ACC as a 6th year senior. Most of the forum has never heard of him and has never watched a game of his because most fans don't watch football, they watch the team they like. I watched Shough. If you want to take a flyer on size and potential you take an athletic freak like Milroe. All the attempts to justify picking a guy like that in that spot that you haven't watched based on YouTube highlights and a synopsis of his strengths and weaknesses is crazy. The film. The injury history. The stats. Nothing about him says 2nd round pick.

Vernon Broughton is cool, but you take him over a big, athletic EDGE rusher like Landon Jackson who then goes the very next pick to a well run organization...the Buffalo Bills. Kaleb Johnson was still on the board. Savion Williams was still on the board. Emery Jones. What did we even draft? A 3-4 DE? A 4-3 DT? Is he going to be a 3-4 NT? There are several DT prospects still available....

Then there's Jonas Sanker. A young DB that's not being brought in to start for obvious reasons. A special teams draft pick. Is safety a pressing need for the Saints? I wouldn't say so. I can't pass much judgement on him. I didn't watch much of any VA football the last few years. Would have been a good time to trade drown and gather more picks for depth.

The vision for this team is blurry just as it is for the Pelicans and there are a few common denominators.

All valid points... I think they are also looking at quality at the point in the draft and the demand for that position and their needs going forward with what changes they plan on making for their new schemes. We'll see how it all works out with this new staff.

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth

All valid points... I think they are also looking at quality at the point in the draft and the demand for that position and their needs going forward with what changes they plan on making for their new schemes. We'll see how it all works out with this new staff.

I like what the Bills did right after with T.J. Sanders, DT, South Carolina. He would have been a major upgrade at that spot. Mason Taylor was still there. He's definitely a fan favorite. Alfred Collins was the better of the Texas defensive linemen and he was still there. Plus he's bigger and more versatile. Will Johnson, Elijah Arroyo, Tre Harris, Nic Scourton, Andrew Mukuba, etc. I believe there was so much more value there and QB's were never about to start flying off the boards. I'd argue Shough would have still been there in the 3rd where they took Broughton. I can't lie, this has been one of the most disappointing weekends of football for me in my entire life. This reminds me of Kevin Kolb.

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We got a linebacker from Oklahoma.

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[stickman]

Not liking what I'm reading about this LB. Summary on him says he's not a cover linebacker and misses tackles. WTF? Those are the things he's expected to do.