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FWIW, I am a cancer survivor, twice. Prostate and later colon.

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1009911) https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/...81653436510575 FWIW, I am a cancer survivor, twice. Prostate and later colon.

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1009911) https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/...81653436510575 FWIW, I am a cancer survivor, twice. Prostate and later colon.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009916) Respect, Smash. Colon for me and still clear. It was determined that Dad's prostate cancer was related to being a tail gunner in B-52's during Vietnam. They were used as Agent Orange carriers and a high percentage of gunners died from the same fate due to the residue in the hold. The U.S. military gratefully acknowledged this as cause of death which made things easier for my mother.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009903) My father died from an extremely aggressive form of prostate cancer that was diagnosed as stage 4 less than three months after getting a completely clear exam. I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about with this latest pile of horse crap.

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1009930) I didnt say which medical issues. Clearly 46 was hiding cognitive decline. I am not an oncologist. It would not be incredibly surprising if a politician hid other conditions they felt at the time were managable but I am not saying it happened. Regardless, the Saints owed it to fans they asked to pony up for season tickets to be transparent about Carr’s outlook. Instead Loomis has always had the ‘you can’t handle the truth’ attitude and insisted on controlling fans who cant be trusted to think for themselves.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009932) The issue that caused Carr's decision to retire wasn't discovered until he started training for this upcoming season ... well after season ticket renewals took place. It was not the same issue that both Carr and the front office were aware of months earlier. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1009933) The Saints hid the shoulder issue from fans for an unspecified period of time: https://saintswire.usatoday.com/stor.../83051368007/#

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009934) Uh, you are aware that "fans" are not required, nor allowed, to be privy to any player's medical issues outside of the active season, right? Probably not, given your accuracy, or total lack thereof, on this issue to the present. The only reason any medical issues can be shared during the season are CBA requirements through negotiated agreements waiving HIPAA guidelines. The Saints hid nothing that any other team did not share about their players. The Saints did exactly what was required according to NFL CBA guidelines. Nothing more and nothing less. Take your goofy assed conspiracy theories back to your IHateLoomis.com website and share them with your extensive following. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1009937) HIPAA applies to healthcare providers not to the Saints. Tons of teams provide tons of injury updates during the offseason. The Saints did not simply fail to provide injury updates on Carr during the offseason and the Saints have provided many in the past, instead the Saints provided affirmative statements indicating Carr's recovery was going well, declaring they expected him to be their starting QB for the 2025 season. The law doesn't require teams to be silent on players injury outlook in the offseason, and the problem wasn't that the Saints were silent, its that they actively told lies to cover up the truth.

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1009937) HIPAA applies to healthcare providers not to the Saints. Tons of teams provide tons of injury updates during the offseason. The Saints did not simply fail to provide injury updates on Carr during the offseason and the Saints have provided many in the past, instead the Saints provided affirmative statements indicating Carr's recovery was going well, declaring they expected him to be their starting QB for the 2025 season. The law doesn't require teams to be silent on players injury outlook in the offseason, and the problem wasn't that the Saints were silent, its that they actively told lies to cover up the truth.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009944) Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams. The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season. But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office. :bng:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1009945) HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA ... Will we ever hear leaked Derek Carr's visits to his gynecologist? Would that be an undisclosed reason for his retirement?

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1009947) Good grief. This is old. Carr is gone. He retired. This did the Saints and 99% of fans a favor. He wasn’t exactly a favorite. Most wanted the team to move on from him at any cost. Regardless, the only relevant thing now is that he’s being paid this year and next year. And it’s a fraction of what it would’ve been. Then he’s off the books. As far as how he was injured, if the Saints knew or not or if he lied or whatever, who cares? He’s gone and we have a new HC and staff and we’re gonna have a new starting QB this year. Why is this still a conversation?

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1009947) Good grief. This is old. Carr is gone. He retired. This did the Saints and 99% of fans a favor. He wasn’t exactly a favorite. Most wanted the team to move on from him at any cost. Regardless, the only relevant thing now is that he’s being paid this year and next year. And it’s a fraction of what it would’ve been. Then he’s off the books. As far as how he was injured, if the Saints knew or not or if he lied or whatever, who cares? He’s gone and we have a new HC and staff and we’re gonna have a new starting QB this year. Why is this still a conversation?

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1009945) HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA ... Will we ever hear leaked Derek Carr's visits to his gynecologist? Would that be an undisclosed reason for his retirement?

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1009947) Good grief. This is old. Carr is gone. He retired. This did the Saints and 99% of fans a favor. He wasn’t exactly a favorite. Most wanted the team to move on from him at any cost. Regardless, the only relevant thing now is that he’s being paid this year and next year. And it’s a fraction of what it would’ve been. Then he’s off the books. As far as how he was injured, if the Saints knew or not or if he lied or whatever, who cares? He’s gone and we have a new HC and staff and we’re gonna have a new starting QB this year. Why is this still a conversation?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009944) Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams. The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season. But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office. :bng:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1009963) If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 1009965) The NFL is not covered by HIPAA for the injury report because HIPAA covers the Health Insurance (the HI is for insurance), and it is the Team releasing the injury not the Doctor or an insurance company. The NFL is self insured. It is also in the Ts and Cs of every players contract, they sign it away, just like when I sign away that right to allow my wife access to my medical records.my wife is not bound by HIPAA and can share that information publicly like the NFL does.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009967) Here's the NFL's injury news sharing policy ... https://operations.nfl.com/media/268...ort-policy.pdf The intent is to provide full and complete information on player availability. It is NFL policy that information for dissemination to the public on all injured players be reported in a satisfactory manner by clubs to the league office, the opposing team, local and national media, and broadcast partners each game week of the regular season and postseason (including for the two Super Bowl teams between the Championship Games and Super Bowl). Any injury information is only required during regular and postseason play. Any off-season sharing could be deemed counterproductive to the team. It is not in any way "need to know" information for fans and/or media. If it makes some fans butthurt, so be it. I don't want my team sharing any info not specifically required by league rules.

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 1010000) https://www.talkbass.com/attachments...e-gif.5304444/

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1010004) It's off-season. Nothing else to do than beat dead horses.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1010004) It's off-season. Nothing else to do than beat dead horses.

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1010008) At this point beating your meat probably accomplishes more.

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From the article above ...

Surgery was considered an option, as was trying to play through the injury, but Carr told Front Office Sports that he ultimately didn't feel right with either possibility.

"That part was tough because I didn't want to have surgery and just sit there and -- it sounds crazy but -- just take the Saints' money," Carr told Front Office Sports for a story published Wednesday.

"I wouldn't have been able to play if I had the surgery," Carr added. "And then if I tried to play with it, I wasn't near 100%, and so that doesn't help them either. I just felt like it was the right thing to do for myself and for the team."

Carr signed a four-year, $150 million contract with the Saints in 2023. He forfeited his $30 million base salary for the 2025 season due to his retirement, although he did get to keep a $10 million roster bonus for 2025.

With Carr retired, the Saints are now holding a quarterback competition among second-round pick Tyler Shough , Spencer Rattler and Jake Haener . The Saints had known about Carr's injury since March and went through the draft process awaiting clarity on his future.

"He did everything he could," Saints coach Kellen Moore said of Carr last month. "As he's gone through this, he's communicated extremely well. He's worked really hard to put himself in position, and ultimately this was the outcome."

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1010174) https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...11415288529384 From the article above ... Surgery was considered an option, as was trying to play through the injury, but Carr told Front Office Sports that he ultimately didn't feel right with either possibility. "That part was tough because I didn't want to have surgery and just sit there and -- it sounds crazy but -- just take the Saints' money," Carr told Front Office Sports for a story published Wednesday. "I wouldn't have been able to play if I had the surgery," Carr added. "And then if I tried to play with it, I wasn't near 100%, and so that doesn't help them either. I just felt like it was the right thing to do for myself and for the team." Carr signed a four-year, $150 million contract with the Saints in 2023. He forfeited his $30 million base salary for the 2025 season due to his retirement, although he did get to keep a $10 million roster bonus for 2025. With Carr retired, the Saints are now holding a quarterback competition among second-round pick Tyler Shough , Spencer Rattler and Jake Haener . The Saints had known about Carr's injury since March and went through the draft process awaiting clarity on his future. "He did everything he could," Saints coach Kellen Moore said of Carr last month. "As he's gone through this, he's communicated extremely well. He's worked really hard to put himself in position, and ultimately this was the outcome." Read more here ...

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 1010176) Carr was much better than you guys gave him credit for. The offensive line during his tenure was offensive. He didn't have playmakers in the offense. He was thrown into an impossible situation where no QB would have won. He got beat over and over by defensive lines. I believe that if he were healthy and put on a talented team, he would win. Most people here don't think that. As you see, he had a good heart as well. Most QBs would nickle and dime the **** out of us, but he didn't feel right doing it. His tenure was unfortunate cause he never had an offense around him and stayed hurt, but I believe he truly cared about how the Saints performed and the outcome of the franchise. He got a raw deal from the fan base, as he was turned into our scapegoat, and still, he did everything he could to help the team.

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 1010176) Carr was much better than you guys gave him credit for. The offensive line during his tenure was offensive. He didn't have playmakers in the offense. He was thrown into an impossible situation where no QB would have won. He got beat over and over by defensive lines. I believe that if he were healthy and put on a talented team, he would win. Most people here don't think that. As you see, he had a good heart as well. Most QBs would nickle and dime the **** out of us, but he didn't feel right doing it. His tenure was unfortunate cause he never had an offense around him and stayed hurt, but I believe he truly cared about how the Saints performed and the outcome of the franchise. He got a raw deal from the fan base, as he was turned into our scapegoat, and still, he did everything he could to help the team.

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 1010176) Carr was much better than you guys gave him credit for. The offensive line during his tenure was offensive. He didn't have playmakers in the offense. He was thrown into an impossible situation where no QB would have won. He got beat over and over by defensive lines. I believe that if he were healthy and put on a talented team, he would win. Most people here don't think that. As you see, he had a good heart as well. Most QBs would nickle and dime the **** out of us, but he didn't feel right doing it. His tenure was unfortunate cause he never had an offense around him and stayed hurt, but I believe he truly cared about how the Saints performed and the outcome of the franchise. He got a raw deal from the fan base, as he was turned into our scapegoat, and still, he did everything he could to help the team.

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 1010178) I disagree. Carr made himself unlikeable by screaming at players like Olave, for his own mistakes. He was constantly pointing fingers elsewhere. He gave credit to Dennis Allen for Darren Rizzi's first win, making wildly outlandish plays like throwing a ball randomly up in the air, on 2nd and 10, vs the chiefs for an interception we never recovered from. Raiders fans pointed out how bad he was in the red zone and coincidentally that was the same here. By all accounts, Saints reporter are saying that Carr actually asked for a pay rise before the retirement. Dude basically got an unbelievable contract because the front office didn't properly plan for life after Brees and made the poor decision to hire Dennis Allen.

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 1010179) Parts of this ring true, but a major portion of the blame has to go to Mickey and DA. They overpaid for Carr and instantly made him a team captain. They treated him like Brees 2.0 out of the gate, which was unfair for all involved. DA coached and spoke with overt favoritism toward Carr, which hurt Carr's relations with both his teammates and the fans. If they would've treated Carr similar to the non-descript way that Dalton was handled, a lot of misfortune and animosity could have been avoided. Instead, Mickey/DA put Carr in a situation where he was destined to be viewed in the worst light as problems arose. Only a special leader like Brees or Brady could've navigated all of this. Carr's not that kind of guy, and his interpersonal shortcomings got amplified.

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 1010179) Parts of this ring true, but a major portion of the blame has to go to Mickey and DA. They overpaid for Carr and instantly made him a team captain. They treated him like Brees 2.0 out of the gate, which was unfair for all involved. DA coached and spoke with overt favoritism toward Carr, which hurt Carr's relations with both his teammates and the fans. If they would've treated Carr similar to the non-descript way that Dalton was handled, a lot of misfortune and animosity could have been avoided. Instead, Mickey/DA put Carr in a situation where he was destined to be viewed in the worst light as problems arose. Only a special leader like Brees or Brady could've navigated all of this. Carr's not that kind of guy, and his interpersonal shortcomings got amplified.