Derek Carr Retires
 

Wow...What a strange trip that was.
https://www.nfl.com/news/saints-qb-d...houlder-injury
I didn't hate the guy though he should've handled his time in New Orleans differently.

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I wish him well. Truly, thanks for the effort.

But I am wondering if the Saints knew about this and the restructure was part of it. How does his retiring affect the cap?

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I think the Saints just dodged a massssssssssive cap issue, but if not, Loomis is a major moron for fully guaranteeing him.

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Close the chapter on Dennis Allen.

Close the chapter on Derek Carr.

If he did us a "favor" - great, glad he had enough character left to forego a lot of money he didn't earn.

This is Kellen's team now and I am so glad we are back baby!!!

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The 7th Ward Pope just blessed us.

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Saints gonna save some major money and cap he'll they put themselves in?

They need to bring in a vet, I wouldn't start the season with shough. Probability of destroying a young QB before he is ready.

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WHO DAT. Wish him all the best.
Does anyone know what we'll save on the cap???

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Thank you Jesus! What a happy day!

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Rapport said 30 million this year or something. Letting him keep the 10 they have him

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Truth be told, I want to see Rattler.

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Anything to let shough sit for at least 5 to 8 games and ease in. He needs to fix some footwork issues and get acclimated

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Opens it up for competition between Shough and Rattler.

I think we need a veteran QB for the room though, just to help them with film breakdown etc

Never worked out with Carr.

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I think we still have Ben Dinucci right to be the "veteran presence" if needed. Anyone else available isn't probably much better than him.

I'm glad the Saints and Derek decided to face the music rather than dragging this out if the shoulder was in very bad shape. Opinion of both has improved.

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The Delta between Shough vs Rattler will need to be significant and painfully obvious that Shough is behind Rattler for Rattler to be game 1 starters . Moore’s 1st draft as a head coach, his 1st QB selected is a lot of capital to navigate. Not saying it can’t be done.

I would watch for potentially signed a veteran QB possibly someone Moore has worked with and has working insight to help out the QB room. Haener might not be safe. We don’t know what we don’t know it will be interesting.

Maybe now on reflection some the moves Mickey made looks have saved the team $30 million salary previously guaranteed for injury only.

It was scheduled to be !20 million in 2025 and 60 million in 2026. Now &13.2 million 2025 and $35.7 in 2026.

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Time to give Aaron Rodgers 5 years and 300 million guaranteed.

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I wouldn't mind that at all. That would give us a chance to see what we really have in him. We should have most of the starters early in the season.


I don't dislike Carr but I'm kinda happy he is gone. Gives the new HC a clean slate and he don't HAVE to play the vet over the young guys.

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I am glad Derek Carr finally did the right thing. This will help the Saints a lot for the long term future of their salary cap if they don't blow the money on Aaron Rodgers or some ill advised extension to a player like Olave or Penning.

I do wish the Saints management had been more transparent with fans about Derek Carrs shoulder.

If we do pay Aaron Rodgers, I don't like it, and I hope its as little guaranteed as possible, but its better than paying Carr I think, since Rodgers has won playoff games.

I think it is better to roll with Rattler and Shough because I dont think a 'safe' veteran QB makes us championship contenders, and I see more upside in either winning 7 games with a young up and coming QB or losing 17 games with a young up and coming QB and having a top draft pick to replace them than I see with winning 8 games with a veteran QB and maybe getting the opportunity to be destroyed in the wild card round in the dome if Tampa chokes and loses the division.

I wonder when Carr sustained this shoulder injury. Does anyone have the story straight on whether it was sustained against the Giants on the same play as the hand and concussion or whether it was an earlier injury from 2023 or prior? The reports say it didnt become apparent until he started throwing again after the hand injury, but does that mean he sustained it at the same time, and injured his throwing shoulder, non-throwing hand, and head all on the same play? Or is it a non-football injury or pre-Saints injury, explaining why he is willing to give the money back.

Also, I think its possible Carr wants to play for another team in 2026, and this retirement might be temporary. I have not seen quotes on the matter. Its possible that retiring and giving back cash is a way for the Saints and Carr to agree on terms that will make him able to talk to other teams and to unretire and be a free agent in March 2026 at the start of that free agency. Had Carr sat out the year on IR in 2025, the Saints would have had no reason to release him early in the 2026 offseason, because there were no triggers in his contract to force an early decision, and actually waiting to release him after June 1 would have had more benefits than designating him a post-June-1 cut in March. If Carr unretired in March 2026 I think the Saints could instantly cut him, both to avoid a $50 million cap charge and get under the cap, and to return the favor from Carr giving back the $30 million. But I dont know the full salary cap rules in a situation where a player retired and gave back money and unretired, that would be a very rare scenario that is not frequently explained.

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Considering that the Saints fanbase, by and large, didn't accept or like Derek Carr, I appreciate Carr retiring and saving the Saints cap money.
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Apparently it's going to be a competition.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/d...-starting-job/

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Should sign a veteran and let them or rattle start the season. Let shough come in midseason.

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If the Saints acquired and started Dorian Thompson Robinson, I believe we could be in a position to hold the #1 overall draft pick in 2026 and have the options of selecting our choice of QB or trading for massive stockpile of picks. Not saying this is plan A, but it makes more sense to me than Rodgers, Tannehill, Cousins, etc.

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If we do target a veteran QB, maybe we can some useful starts out of Desmond Ridder. It'd be funny if he had a great game and beat Atlanta at least.

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We need to roll with what we got.

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It makes you wonder how long he played injuried. He was not a bad qb. The first two games last year he looked like the next Drew. We have to remember we did not win a game without him last year. Next season might be a long one.

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There's zero chance the saints didn't know . There very likely was language where Saints could have filed a grievance to recoup some dollars. For it to work as it did, how can it not be but an orchestrated calculated move.

Do you think the FailClowns fans are now committing Hari Kari over our get out of cap hell jail 27 D chess move ?

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They might, but something tells me they go after a vet for shough to take over for mid season

What do you think they'll do with the extra money?

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Keenan Allen or Asante Samuel, Jr.

Really any player that's been under the HC, OC, or DC. People do a lot of familiarity hires.

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Report: Derek Carr had representative talk to other teams about interest before retirement

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ore-retirement

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Without asking Saints for permission as it turns out. Plenty of funny business in there.

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I believe you are giving Moore far too much credit. While he certainly had some input into the selection of Shough, he was no where near the decision maker. Even with Dennis Allen's tenure with the Saints he wasn't the one making the calls come draft time. Payton earned it over time, but no Saints head coach since Ditka had that say and he screwed the pooch bigtime.

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Some people seem to be surprised by this? He refused to live in New Orleans and spends his off season time podcasting about exotic cars with his brother.

He f**d us by not retiring before the draft.

In a state where minimal effort gets you hometown love for practically the rest of your existence; he failed to do the minimum which was embrace the team, the city, or the state.

I hope he is selling broken dildos by this time next season. :bng:

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Politics aside, there are definitely some parallels between the handling of Carr and Biden's medical issues. In both cases someone who was not able to continue was put up for another term while hiding medical issues their team was aware of from the public, money and time was spent on a plan that could not move forward, the press and big events were avoided, then their additional term was ended before it ever started, worse medical issues were disclosed, and they were replaced with a second pick who had very little experience in competition. I don't want to get into politics, but its an interesting parallel that shows people would like leaders to be more transparent but many leaders are more focused on obsessively controlling the optics.

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I agree with all of this. I don't think Carr would have given up the $30 million unless the Saints were prepared to fight him on it if he didn't. Another possible element to this is that perhaps there are some concerns the shoulder could be a non-football injury and/or perhaps the Saints made clear to Carr that if he sat on IR for 2025 he would have to compete to make the roster in 2026 and the Saints could decide to cut him on the final cuts in August 2026 which would make it hard to find another team.

I can't point to any incident in the history of the NFL where a player got injured on purpose or to cover up a non-football injury, but if there was one situation in the entire history of the NFL where the possibility of that scenario was a little less than zero, it would be Derek Carr, and aging immobile QB with a 4-8 record and a distant chance of a playoff berth in a non-critical 2nd down with the lead decided that was the moment for the first time in his career to put everything on the line and try to hurdle defenders, and then came down with injuries to his left hand, right shoulder, and a concussion, but didn't disclose the left shoulder until months later, because a headache and a broken non-throwing hand prevented him from noticing. Its not inconceivable that Carr hurt his shoulder doing an engine swap on his Bentley or something like that and was afraid to see a doctor and unsure if it was a serious injury or not, and made a split second bad decision to hurdle in order to have a cover for the injury, then later felt remorse and retired.

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My father died from an extremely aggressive form of prostate cancer that was diagnosed as stage 4 less than three months after getting a completely clear exam. I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about with this latest pile of horse crap.

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Don't be so dramatic. This is a forum full of opinions and I'm with Bako on this one.

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Just pointing out how over dramatic Bako was being with his latest conspiracy theory. I've been out of the country for the past two weeks and actually missed his comedy.

I'm sorry, but his uninformed theory on Biden just hit home closely. Dad was about the same age and fully healthy at his last complete semi-annual checkup which included an ideal PSA test. Hell, he'd been shooting his age in golf regularly at the time. He started having symptoms a couple of months later out of the blue. It was already stage 4 from being completely absent just weeks before.