Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings

SmashMouth · 06-22-2025, 08:54 AM

Saints second-round quarterback Tyler Shough is demanding a fully-guaranteed rookie contract of his own

AsylumGuido · 06-22-2025, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Saints second-round quarterback Tyler Shough is demanding a fully-guaranteed rookie contract of his own

Or more precisely, Shough's agent is demanding a fully guaranteed contract. To be fair, only two of the 32 2nd round picks (#33 and #34) have been signed to date. As a comparison, only three of the 32 1st rounders remain unsigned and all 38 of the 3rd rounders have signed. Every agent out there is making the same demand for 2nd rounders to have the same guarantees as round one. Carson Schwesinger and Jayden Higgins, the two signed 2nd rounders, both received fully guaranteed contracts.

stickman · 06-23-2025, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Carson Schwesinger and Jayden Higgins, the two signed 2nd rounders, both received fully guaranteed contracts.

Which is why every other 2nd rounder is demanding it. Which, to be honest, I can't blame them for. An agent has got to work for his client.

neugey · 06-22-2025, 02:47 PM

Unless he holds out (unlikely since he's competing for QB1 and needs all reps) it doesn't matter too much.

saintsfan1976 · 06-24-2025, 10:48 AM

I can see both sides.

But if we're guaranteeing money, what guarantee does the franchise receive in exchange?

AsylumGuido · 06-24-2025, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I can see both sides.

But if we're guaranteeing money, what guarantee does the franchise receive in exchange?

I suppose that the agent doesn't hold the player out. But realistically, 2nd rounder salaries are only $1.79 million to $2.95 million a year over the four year term of the contract and a decent percentage of them make and stay with the team for the short haul, at least. That's really not that much to guarantee in the scheme of things.

saintsfan1976 · 06-24-2025, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I suppose that the agent doesn't hold the player out. But realistically, 2nd rounder salaries are only $1.79 million to $2.95 million a year over the four year term of the contract and a decent percentage of them make and stay with the team for the short haul, at least. That's really not that much to guarantee in the scheme of things.

interesting. A "decent percentage" according to research is approximately 27%.

From years 2000-2017, only 27% of the second round picks signed a second contract with the same team.

Injuries, coaching changes, performance, etc all play into it but that's a small number especially compared to 1st rounders (46% retention rate).

I just don't see the value in it unless the team receives a guarantee in return.

leilung · 07-20-2025, 07:15 AM

Exactly. None is your answer. The franchise is basically rolling the dice on an unknown and pryaing that it's scouting staff hits and doesn't whiff.

saintsfan1976 · 07-20-2025, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Exactly. None is your answer. The franchise is basically rolling the dice on an unknown and pryaing that it's scouting staff hits and doesn't whiff.

I wouldn't categorize Shough as an unknown. Rattler had half a season of NFL tape and they still took Shough at #40 overall. I think they like him more than they're praying for him.

WW_Who_Dat · 06-24-2025, 12:46 PM

It’s all about the precident, once the contract money is guaranteed that money has to be put into an escrow account and the team needs to account for in annual Cap projections. It can be a serious cash constraint for some teams/owners.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Originally Posted by SmashMouth Saints second-round quarterback Tyler Shough is demanding a fully-guaranteed rookie contract of his own Or more precisely, Shough's agent is demanding a fully guaranteed contract. To be fair, only two of the 32 2nd round picks (#33 and #34) have been signed to date. As a comparison, only three of the 32 1st rounders remain unsigned and all 38 of the 3rd rounders have signed. Every agent out there is making the same demand for 2nd rounders to have the same guarantees as round one. Carson Schwesinger and Jayden Higgins, the two signed 2nd rounders, both received fully guaranteed contracts. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,059 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings I can see both sides. But if we're guaranteeing money, what guarantee does the franchise receive in exchange?

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I can see both sides. But if we're guaranteeing money, what guarantee does the franchise receive in exchange? I suppose that the agent doesn't hold the player out. But realistically, 2nd rounder salaries are only $1.79 million to $2.95 million a year over the four year term of the contract and a decent percentage of them make and stay with the team for the short haul, at least. That's really not that much to guarantee in the scheme of things. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,059 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I suppose that the agent doesn't hold the player out. But realistically, 2nd rounder salaries are only $1.79 million to $2.95 million a year over the four year term of the contract and a decent percentage of them make and stay with the team for the short haul, at least. That's really not that much to guarantee in the scheme of things. interesting. A "decent percentage" according to research is approximately 27%. From years 2000-2017, only 27% of the second round picks signed a second contract with the same team. Injuries, coaching changes, performance, etc all play into it but that's a small number especially compared to 1st rounders (46% retention rate). I just don't see the value in it unless the team receives a guarantee in return. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,812	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Carson Schwesinger and Jayden Higgins, the two signed 2nd rounders, both received fully guaranteed contracts. Which is why every other 2nd rounder is demanding it. Which, to be honest, I can't blame them for. An agent has got to work for his client.

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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,879 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Unless he holds out (unlikely since he's competing for QB1 and needs all reps) it doesn't matter too much.

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leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,432	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Exactly. None is your answer. The franchise is basically rolling the dice on an unknown and pryaing that it's scouting staff hits and doesn't whiff.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,059 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Originally Posted by leilung Exactly. None is your answer. The franchise is basically rolling the dice on an unknown and pryaing that it's scouting staff hits and doesn't whiff. I wouldn't categorize Shough as an unknown. Rattler had half a season of NFL tape and they still took Shough at #40 overall. I think they like him more than they're praying for him. AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.

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WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,281 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings It’s all about the precident, once the contract money is guaranteed that money has to be put into an escrow account and the team needs to account for in annual Cap projections. It can be a serious cash constraint for some teams/owners.