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saintsfan1976 06-30-2025 06:24 AM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
Are agents colluding to secure guaranteed money for second round picks?

Are scouts discussing player evaluations colluding to prevent a player from going round 1?

Are players holding out for new contracts in the middle of their current contract colluding?

AsylumGuido 06-30-2025 08:06 AM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 1010389)
Are agents colluding to secure guaranteed money for second round picks?

Not in any illegal sense. Working together to form a united front is not against the law. The agents are not doing anything in "secret" nor are they trying to "cheat or deceive others".

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Are scouts discussing player evaluations colluding to prevent a player from going round 1?
This has always been a common practice. Shady or unethical? Possibly so, but doesn't fit the definition of collusion at all.

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Are players holding out for new contracts in the middle of their current contract colluding?
That is simply a negotiating ploy. The teams commonly ask players to reduce their pay in the middle of contracts. Quid pro quo. Nothing here implies any sort of illegal collusion.

As I mentioned earlier, the legal analyst that appeared on NFL radio discussing this suit read the whole week's worth of testimony, as well as the ruling by the independent arbiter (ruling no illegal collusion was evident). He stated that there were indeed things that had bad optics (owners thanking other owners for not doing a veteran fully guaranteed contract, etcetera), but nothing came close to satisfying the definition of any sort of illegal collusion.

The NFL is first and foremost a business. A huge business. We all know that businesses can be cutthroat and otherwise unseemly. And, yes, sometimes even illegal. But not in this case.

The Dude 07-01-2025 06:07 PM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1010384)
AI states, "Collusion itself is not a specific crime, but it can describe the act of participating in a conspiracy or other illegal agreement that could be a crime. For example, price-fixing or bid-rigging are illegal agreements, and collusion is often used to describe the act of engaging in these activities."

We all participate in the definition of collusion in our every day lives. If you and your friends decide in private to boycott a business for whatever reason it is collusion. It is not illegal. Some may call it petty. Or unethical. But not illegal.

AI is total bull****. AI doesn't say anything anyway. Its a webscraper that uses among many other things AI technology to pull keywords and phrases from the web. On a simple level, you ask which widget is best. “AI” pulls info from a widget manufacturer that spends a lot of time and money boosting their reviews. “AI” picks up on these reviews and starts down that rabbit hole. Algorithms and opinion pieces from users get mixed in there and you have your answer. Go ask detailed questions about razors and see where it takes you. Its an obscure subject that most of the general population have little knowledge about.
People would be floored to see what it says when it comes to anything to do with the second amendment or the ins and outs of using a firearm.

BakoSaint 07-01-2025 10:39 PM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
My question is why do we care? If the salary cap is still the same amount, guaranteed contracts would not even transfer money from the owners to the players. They would transfer money to aging stars with big contracts who got hurt and would otherwise be cut from players who teams might add on short term deals as a luxury if they have cap space. In many cases these could be some of the same players. If the Giants could not cut Daniel Jones they may not have money for Russell Wilson. But if the Broncos could not cut Wilson then the Giants could not have him anyway. If the Browns could have cut Watson then perhaps they dont have to cheap out on Flacco and they get in a bidding war for Rodgers or Wilson or Darnold. Guaranteed contracts are a big win for players in a league without a salary cap like MLB but with a salary cap they are only good for particular players because they mean much less money or no offer at all for others because that money is taken. I see why many players want them. I see why agents want to say they are the ones who can get them. But I dont see why fans care.

AsylumGuido 07-02-2025 08:04 AM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 1010395)
AI is total bull****. AI doesn't say anything anyway. Its a webscraper that uses among many other things AI technology to pull keywords and phrases from the web. On a simple level, you ask which widget is best. “AI” pulls info from a widget manufacturer that spends a lot of time and money boosting their reviews. “AI” picks up on these reviews and starts down that rabbit hole. Algorithms and opinion pieces from users get mixed in there and you have your answer. Go ask detailed questions about razors and see where it takes you. Its an obscure subject that most of the general population have little knowledge about.
People would be floored to see what it says when it comes to anything to do with the second amendment or the ins and outs of using a firearm.

AI actually does a decent job of compiling information that you can verify yourself. The snippet that I posted was an exact compilation of what I knew as fact and saved me from having to type it all out.

As for razors, I have a fairly extensive collection of Gillette razors that have ranged from the earliest regular production year of 1904 through the latest of the double edges and even into the band era. I wouldn't depend on AI for anything in totality, but if it's scraping reflects what I know for a fact I have no problem sharing it.

AsylumGuido 07-02-2025 08:12 AM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1010401)
My question is why do we care? If the salary cap is still the same amount, guaranteed contracts would not even transfer money from the owners to the players. They would transfer money to aging stars with big contracts who got hurt and would otherwise be cut from players who teams might add on short term deals as a luxury if they have cap space. In many cases these could be some of the same players. If the Giants could not cut Daniel Jones they may not have money for Russell Wilson. But if the Broncos could not cut Wilson then the Giants could not have him anyway. If the Browns could have cut Watson then perhaps they dont have to cheap out on Flacco and they get in a bidding war for Rodgers or Wilson or Darnold. Guaranteed contracts are a big win for players in a league without a salary cap like MLB but with a salary cap they are only good for particular players because they mean much less money or no offer at all for others because that money is taken. I see why many players want them. I see why agents want to say they are the ones who can get them. But I dont see why fans care.

I agree completely with this one sentence.

jnormand 07-02-2025 11:22 AM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1010403)
AI actually does a decent job of compiling information that you can verify yourself. The snippet that I posted was an exact compilation of what I knew as fact and saved me from having to type it all out.

As for razors, I have a fairly extensive collection of Gillette razors that have ranged from the earliest regular production year of 1904 through the latest of the double edges and even into the band era. I wouldn't depend on AI for anything in totality, but if it's scraping reflects what I know for a fact I have no problem sharing it.

Wait….he brought up razors in general, and you just happen to have a collection of razors dating back to the early 1900’s? Are you serious dude? That is random and coincidental af.

AsylumGuido 07-02-2025 11:34 AM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1010406)
Wait….he brought up razors in general, and you just happen to have a collection of razors dating back to the early 1900’s? Are you serious dude? That is random and coincidental af.

Completely serious. I sold that 1904 set for $600 after buying it for $175 a year earlier. I have collected, restored, and sold hundreds of vintage safety razors over the past 25 years with the vast majority being Gillettes. And, yes, I thought that was rather random from the Dude, as well. I have written several "articles" on the history of the razors on websites such as https://www.badgerandblade.com and https://theshaveden.com

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AsylumGuido 07-02-2025 11:50 AM

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By the way, that display case is a converted antique radio cabinet.

AsylumGuido 07-02-2025 01:26 PM

Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed
 
Also by the way, the cabinet picture is current after a reorganization to better display my pride and joy, the 1918 No. 00G Officer’s Gold Set, in near mint unused condition complete with original inserts and shipping box. Check out the included price card showing $10.00! That was a ton of money back in 1918.

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