Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed

SmashMouth · 06-26-2025, 05:28 PM

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jnormand · 06-27-2025, 10:04 PM

Smash can you summarize that? I don’t have the patience or time to watch an hour long episode of this. And I did the first several minutes but they never actually say what they are doing. They just keep leading into it without saying it. And it drives me crazy.

SmashMouth · 06-28-2025, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Smash can you summarize that? I don’t have the patience or time to watch an hour long episode of this. And I did the first several minutes but they never actually say what they are doing. They just keep leading into it without saying it. And it drives me crazy.

Don't blame ya. It just confirms what we all deep down knew all along, except worse.

And look at this, Florio has a dedicated page to nothing but collusion stories now. It prolly won't matter in the end.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo.../nfl-collusion

AsylumGuido · 06-29-2025, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Smash can you summarize that? I don’t have the patience or time to watch an hour long episode of this. And I did the first several minutes but they never actually say what they are doing. They just keep leading into it without saying it. And it drives me crazy.

Some legal analyst was on NFL radio a few days ago and covered this ruling in detail. Basically, he said the independent arbiter that ruled on the case, a retired appeals judge, found no legitimate evidence of "true" collusion. He said there were several cases of things being said and done AFTER the fact that weren't great optics, but collusion has to be actively orchestrated PRIOR to actions to be legally deemed collusion. Thanking a fellow owner for not agreeing to a veteran fully guaranteed contract for example, may not seem very savory, but it does not meet the legal definition of collusion.

SmashMouth · 06-29-2025, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Some legal analyst was on NFL radio a few days ago and covered this ruling in detail. Basically, he said the independent arbiter that ruled on the case, a retired appeals judge, found no legitimate evidence of "true" collusion. He said there were several cases of things being said and done AFTER the fact that weren't great optics, but collusion has to be actively orchestrated PRIOR to actions to be legally deemed collusion. Thanking a fellow owner for not agreeing to a veteran fully guaranteed contract for example, may not seem very savory, but it does not meet the legal definition of collusion.

Therein lies the controversy... We all know they collude... And they find ways to get away with it. And it's more than just one case . Although they didn't mention Gruden's case, it wouldn't be shocking there is collision in his case. His is on appeal. Wouldn't mind at all a Gruden win vs RG.

AsylumGuido · 06-29-2025, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Therein lies the controversy... We all know they collude... And they find ways to get away with it. And it's more than just one case . Although they didn't mention Gruden's case, it wouldn't be shocking there is collision in his case. His is on appeal. Wouldn't mind at all a Gruden win vs RG.

The confusion is in that something can be ethically wrong without being collusion.

col·lu·sion
/kəˈlo͞oZH(ə)n/
noun

Secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

Just because members of a group have like causes and those causes do not fall in line or affects others negatively does not make it collusion. Having a common goal does not result in collusion. Just because we do not agree with how some things are handled does not make it collusion.

All NFL owners have many things in common and are certainly going to have very similar philosophies and of course are going to agree on many things between one another and independently. That does not make any of it collusion. That's why no collusion was found in these cases.

I repeat, just because we don't like how some people do business doesn't make it illegal or collusion.

AsylumGuido · 06-29-2025, 12:53 PM

AI states, "Collusion itself is not a specific crime, but it can describe the act of participating in a conspiracy or other illegal agreement that could be a crime. For example, price-fixing or bid-rigging are illegal agreements, and collusion is often used to describe the act of engaging in these activities."

We all participate in the definition of collusion in our every day lives. If you and your friends decide in private to boycott a business for whatever reason it is collusion. It is not illegal. Some may call it petty. Or unethical. But not illegal.

jnormand · 06-28-2025, 11:29 AM

Smash! You did the same thing as the video! You left it hanging! Confirms what?!!!!

Rugby Saint II · 06-28-2025, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Smash! You did the same thing as the video! You left it hanging! Confirms what?!!!!

I'd fill you in but I don't have a clue either. I didn't commit to it either. I prefer to read an article when you can skip the fluff intro.

Edit: I have often thought that ether was collusion going on for quite sometime now. I'd even question the contract with DC.

vpheughan · 06-29-2025, 08:04 PM

AI Using AI to "PREACH"

"Bless Us Faddah", (By AsylumGuido)"For We all participate in the definition of collusion in our every day lives."

For Our Penance Give Us Three "Who Dat's" and a Good Act Of Collusi.....err Contrition!!"

06-27-2025, 10:04 PM	#2
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,779	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed Smash can you summarize that? I don’t have the patience or time to watch an hour long episode of this. And I did the first several minutes but they never actually say what they are doing. They just keep leading into it without saying it. And it drives me crazy. Rugby Saint II likes this.

06-28-2025, 06:33 AM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,975 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed Originally Posted by jnormand Smash can you summarize that? I don’t have the patience or time to watch an hour long episode of this. And I did the first several minutes but they never actually say what they are doing. They just keep leading into it without saying it. And it drives me crazy. Don't blame ya. It just confirms what we all deep down knew all along, except worse. And look at this, Florio has a dedicated page to nothing but collusion stories now. It prolly won't matter in the end. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo.../nfl-collusion

06-29-2025, 08:29 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed Originally Posted by jnormand Smash can you summarize that? I don’t have the patience or time to watch an hour long episode of this. And I did the first several minutes but they never actually say what they are doing. They just keep leading into it without saying it. And it drives me crazy. Some legal analyst was on NFL radio a few days ago and covered this ruling in detail. Basically, he said the independent arbiter that ruled on the case, a retired appeals judge, found no legitimate evidence of "true" collusion. He said there were several cases of things being said and done AFTER the fact that weren't great optics, but collusion has to be actively orchestrated PRIOR to actions to be legally deemed collusion. Thanking a fellow owner for not agreeing to a veteran fully guaranteed contract for example, may not seem very savory, but it does not meet the legal definition of collusion.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-29-2025, 10:11 AM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,975 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Some legal analyst was on NFL radio a few days ago and covered this ruling in detail. Basically, he said the independent arbiter that ruled on the case, a retired appeals judge, found no legitimate evidence of "true" collusion. He said there were several cases of things being said and done AFTER the fact that weren't great optics, but collusion has to be actively orchestrated PRIOR to actions to be legally deemed collusion. Thanking a fellow owner for not agreeing to a veteran fully guaranteed contract for example, may not seem very savory, but it does not meet the legal definition of collusion. Therein lies the controversy... We all know they collude... And they find ways to get away with it. And it's more than just one case . Although they didn't mention Gruden's case, it wouldn't be shocking there is collision in his case. His is on appeal. Wouldn't mind at all a Gruden win vs RG. jnormand likes this.

06-29-2025, 11:41 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed Originally Posted by SmashMouth Therein lies the controversy... We all know they collude... And they find ways to get away with it. And it's more than just one case . Although they didn't mention Gruden's case, it wouldn't be shocking there is collision in his case. His is on appeal. Wouldn't mind at all a Gruden win vs RG. The confusion is in that something can be ethically wrong without being collusion. col·lu·sion /kəˈlo͞oZH(ə)n/ noun Secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others. Just because members of a group have like causes and those causes do not fall in line or affects others negatively does not make it collusion. Having a common goal does not result in collusion. Just because we do not agree with how some things are handled does not make it collusion. All NFL owners have many things in common and are certainly going to have very similar philosophies and of course are going to agree on many things between one another and independently. That does not make any of it collusion. That's why no collusion was found in these cases. I repeat, just because we don't like how some people do business doesn't make it illegal or collusion.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-29-2025, 12:53 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed AI states, "Collusion itself is not a specific crime, but it can describe the act of participating in a conspiracy or other illegal agreement that could be a crime. For example, price-fixing or bid-rigging are illegal agreements, and collusion is often used to describe the act of engaging in these activities." We all participate in the definition of collusion in our every day lives. If you and your friends decide in private to boycott a business for whatever reason it is collusion. It is not illegal. Some may call it petty. Or unethical. But not illegal.

06-28-2025, 11:29 AM	#8
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,779	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed Smash! You did the same thing as the video! You left it hanging! Confirms what?!!!! Rugby Saint II likes this.

06-28-2025, 03:45 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed Originally Posted by jnormand Smash! You did the same thing as the video! You left it hanging! Confirms what?!!!! I'd fill you in but I don't have a clue either. I didn't commit to it either. I prefer to read an article when you can skip the fluff intro. Edit: I have often thought that ether was collusion going on for quite sometime now. I'd even question the contract with DC.

06-29-2025, 08:04 PM	#10
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,557	Re: Collusion-Gate: The Secret Texts and Testimony of NFL Owners and Superstar QBs, Revealed AI Using AI to "PREACH" "Bless Us Faddah", (By AsylumGuido)"For We all participate in the definition of collusion in our every day lives." For Our Penance Give Us Three "Who Dat's" and a Good Act Of Collusi.....err Contrition!!"
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,557