Time to trade Olave?
 

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If you are hoping to have an elite WR on your roster you'll have to pay the going rate.

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He is more broke down than he is elite. However, some people might see him that way, so a trade might be in order. Get something while you can.

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The team knows EXACTLY what they have in him far better than what we as fans think. Besides a single minor ankle sprain Olave has only suffered some very minor Grade 1 concussions in his pro career. There probably isn't a player in college or the NFL that hasn't experienced Grade 1 concussions. The league is being far more deliberate in tracking them these days for obvious reasons. This includes monitoring for even minor symptoms for days following certain hits.

If we had been in the running for anything last season he wouldn't have even been placed on IR. Under Dennis Allen we had several questionable IR assignments.

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Might be in the minority here, but never really seen Olave as elite.

2 just over 1000 yard seasons and highest TD count is 5, that's good production, but it isn't elite by any stretch of the imagination.

Seems a nice guy, but if another team wants to pay him, I wouldn't lose sleep over it, especially considering his concussion history and how it's probably better for his health to step away from football before it does serious damage.

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I think Olave brings a lot to the table as a WR, and will concede he really hasn't had consistent QB play. That said, like dizzle, I am worried about his concussion history and would not blame him if he decided to hang it up an preserve his health.

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It hasn't been until fairly recently that the league has even been labeling what Olave has experienced as a concussion. Grade 1, the most "severe" Olave has experienced, is the lowest graded level. It's basically shows no damage with all scans being well within the normal expectations. It is defined as having minor symptoms. That didn't even warrant a smelling salt which was broken out by trainers several times a game in the not too distant past. :D

By the way, there were 182 diagnosed concussions in the league last season alone. Believe it or not, that's the lowest number since the NFL even started tracking them in 2015. How about that? The league didn't even track them at all ten short years ago.

I could see the concern if Olave had experience Grade 2 or especially Grade 3.

Our friend here, Smash, recently posted about the "wussification" of the NFL recently. Being so concerned that one feels a player should be considering retiring because of a few of the very lowest level concussions is jumping with both feet forward into that same area that Smash had referred.

;)

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Whilst you are probably right about the level of concussions received, anyone can believe that repeated bouts of the same injury can't be a good thing. Medicine is always evolving, so maybe there just isn't a good enough set of procedures yet to see what 4 concussions in 2 years actually looks like for the individual in later years.

As for the last point, "IF" Olave did choose to hang the cleats up, I'd consider him a very bright individual for not worrying about what others think about NFL toughness levels and instead prioritizing his future health.

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Had he not missed time, Olave's stats would be virtually identical to Garrett Wilson.

His concussions are a serious issue.

The FA market in 26 is shallow, so you're trading him for another rookie on a lower contract.

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Once again, the grade of the concussion makes a tremendous difference. Ten years ago what ever limited symptoms that Olave experienced over two seasons wasn't even recognized as a concussion ten years ago by the league. Most diagnosed league concussions result in far more discernible damage and than anything Olave has experienced to date.

I would expect Olave is looking at developing generational wealth for his family. He cannot do that on his current contract. There are many professions that have repercussions that will affect the health of their workers for years to come with far less earning potentials. Look at our military. Or at construction. Or any other occupation under the sun with cancer causing rays.

These athletes do what they do for their love of the game and for what it can bring them and their families for, yes, generations if they stick to it. My paternal grandfather was a coal miner in southern Illinois while managing his farm on the side. He developed black lung like the vast majority of workers trying to make a living for his family. He knew of the risks but did what he needed and wanted to do.

My own father lost his life due to Agent Orange exposure during deployments for the Vietnam "conflict". His plane could have gone down at anytime over his countless missions, but it was what he did to raise his young family.

Please do not project what you feel these young men should choose to do while having the potential to bring home incredibly larger rewards for their families than our own fathers had when they sacrificed far more for far less.

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Please do not tell me what I can and can't have an opinion about on an open forum.

I came back here after a little time away to try and talk about Saints news, but in less than an evening you've reminded me your opinion has to be the one people agree with.

Cheers, won't contribute in future.

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Just sharing my opinion, as well, Diz. Doesn't it matter?

I don't give a rat's arse if you agree with it yourself. Or if anyone does. But, I have just as much of a right to share and explain my opinion as do you or anyone else here, right?

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Forum

Definitions from Oxford Languages
fo·rum
/ˈfôrəm/
noun

1.
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
"it will be a forum for consumers to exchange their views on medical research"


This implies that differences of opinions are not only expected, but by definition required.

If I have a differing opinion I will, under the definition of a forum, exchange my opinion. By all means, if you disagree with anything I post PLEASE give reasons why my assertations are unfound and take part in the exchange. That is is the implied function of a forum.

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It's not your opinions that irk me or that I disagree with, it's the immediate accusatory verbage you take when others try to share opinions that don't align with yours.

I made a comment on what I would feel, if Olave left or chose to retire. You accused me of projecting my feelings for said opinion.

Not asking you to care about agreeing with opinions, just some common decency would be a nice start.

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Went back and read what I wrote. It was not meant to be an attack on you. At that point I was speaking to the opinion in general. I have seen others saying that he, or any others with some history, should quit their dream when it is their choice to make. If you took it as directed at you then you must have felt part of where my attention was given. Like I said, a forum is a place to exchange opinions. Our feelings and what knowledge we have are what we base our opinions upon. Personally, I welcome anyone to explain why they disagree with my opinions and give reasoning behind their belief. I'll never take it personally however it is logically presented.

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Wouldn't get the desired value for Olave in a trade. At least would want a 2nd.

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I agree. He'd be a sell low at this point. I don't view him as a number 1 either. He profiles more of a very good 2 when healthy IMO.

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I think what we need to do is extend Olave now while his value may be at its lowest. Don't wait until he puts up career numbers in a Kellen Moore offense.

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I always think about what Olave would do with Brees. He's such an elite and precise route runner. He'd be putting up 1,400 yards.

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So nice to see the boards at regular season form this early during training camp! Let the sniping begin! :bng:

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A grade 1 concussion can include up to 30 minutes of unconsciousness and up to 24 hours of amnesia. Its not so minor as your make it out to be. The grades can be pretty subjective and it can be pretty hard and almost any concussion can be graded a 1 unless the player is knocked out so long they wake up in the hospital or they dont remember anything the 24 hours later. I have never even seen a boxing or mma head kick ko that resulted in anything near 30 minute unconscious, these higher grades are often meant for head on auto collissions I believe, unless a team wants to use later linger symptoms to justify them. Often the difference between a grade 1 and a grade 2-3 will involve how thoroughly team doctors choose to scrutinize the player after over 24 hours, whether they prod for minor linger symptoms and whether they test memory by asking their name or whether they ask their 3rd grade teachers name and what their phone number was at the time.

The difference between a grade 1 and grade 3 concussion could often be the teams agenda. If the team is looking to justify trading up for a player and betting the farm on their staying healthy, they can grade it a 1. If the pick was under a previous gm/coach and/or they are looking to cut their losses and move on they can grade it a 3 based on some lingering symptom. Some will say doctors are always consistent and dolphins doctors were the same as the Saints doctors and Tuas concussions were definitely worse than Olave’s, but if the Dolphins and Saints doctors we would never have got Drew Brees. The Saints doctors are riverboat gamblers.

As to the Saints knowing more than we do, that would imply the Saints can predict the outcome of complex injury histories and how serious various medical conditions are. That would ignore the Saints history with every injured player after Drew Brees, where they have consistently translated beginners luck with Brees to a gambling addiction with a string of injured players resulting in the most injured franchise in the league.

As to generational wealth, you can build it by signing a big contract and then getting a doctor to declare you unable to play just after. I would rather Olave build that wealth by signing with the Atlanta Falcons in 2027.

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Why do you hate this team so badly?

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We had this same argument about Michael Thomas. I wanted him to become an Atlanta Falcon, you wanted the Saints to bet on his rehab and that his injury history was a fluke. Who hates this team? I hate the Falcons.

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Elite route runner.

When MT left, we moved Olave to the X which made him more susceptible to injury when facing rough contact on the outside.

Hoping Kellen works him more into the slot like he did with Lamb and Smith. That alone could reduce head injuries and prolong his otherwise stellar output.

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:rolleyes:

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That would be the Olave career saving roster move. Do we have the horses to make it stick?

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At least he doesn’t have Carmax throwing him some of those hospital passes anymore :rolleyes:

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I think the slot would make olave more susceptible to concussions. If anything he is safer as a one on one deep threat on the outside where he is running step for step in the same direction as the defender and seeking separation, then often going out of bounds before contact, versus working over the middle in traffic. Even if i cant prove its worse, good luck proving slot is better. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-in-todays-nfl

Lamb and Smith are both a lot bigger than Olave. Many modern slots are built big to withstand hits while olave is tiny. Also, Smith had a concussion in Moore’s offense last year.

If anything, losing Carr will be what helps Olave stay healthy. But even Hurts couldnt protect a bigger smith in Moore’s offense.

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Keep an eye out for Keenan Allen.

Good insurance policy & backup plan in the event we lose a starter to injury.

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He'd be great for a young quarterback.

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Chris Olave = Austin Collie

Chris Olave:

Nov. 3, 204 - Olave OUT with a concussion.
Oct. 13, 2024 - Concussion injury on Oct. 13 versus Tampa Bay.
Nov. 26, 2023 - In Week 12 against the Falcons, concussion.
Oct. 9, 2022 - Concussion
Oct. 24, 2020 - Ohio State vs. Nebraska game

Austin Collie: According to the search results, he experienced three concussions in a span of 22 months.

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More Rough Collies with as much relevance.


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[/IMThe comparison was between two DIFFERENT FOOTBALL PLAYERS with similar concussion histories. One who's last name is Collie. FOOTBALL PLAYERS, not DOGS. Do you know the difference?

Here's relevance for you: The "REAL" Guido on the left Mr. Don Novella
The Clown "Guido" on the right using Mr. Novella's NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS
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Re: Time to trade Olave?
 

I'm in the camp that is concerned about Olave's availability. Hopefully his concussion history is behind him but that sure is worrisome.

Four documented NFL concussions …. I pray for the man’s health.