Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers

08-11-2025, 07:49 AM

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K Major · 08-11-2025, 08:56 AM

Bobby’s synopsis was similar to mine

- Oline depth has to be better.
- Form tackling is key.
- Some of these lower round guys are playing more inspired ball than these higher “rated” draft picks.

Time for film study to improve next game.

saintsfan1976 · 08-11-2025, 09:07 AM

I watched most of the game.

IMO, Rattler looks the same as he did last season. Shough obviously had ups and downs but seems to have the higher ceiling.

What had me rolling my eyes: O line injuries.

What left me feeling good: The defense, depth and speed all over the field. Also Special Teams.

hitta · 08-11-2025, 09:23 AM

I don't understand how someone can make a judgement on Shough as not being "our guy" after 1 preseason game that wasn't even with the first team. I thought he played well for his first game. When we got Brees, did anyone think he was our guy? I remember people being skeptical of that as well.

turbo_dog · 08-11-2025, 09:42 AM

Trade Rattler and Penning to the Chargers for Trey Lance immediately.

rezburna · 08-11-2025, 10:32 AM

Rattler started off well. He had a 9 yard pass to set up 2nd and 1. Saints tried to run it and got nothing setting up 3rd and 1. Rattler hits Wilson on the busted coverage for 21. Comes right back and scrambles for yards. 2nd and short. They get a first. They end up running for 1 yard on a 2nd and 10 setting up 3rd and 9. He hits an open guy and gets half that yardage. It's preseason so there's a huge chance they go for that but holding on Penning makes that 3rd and 19. Drive sabotaged with a penalty.

They get the ball back off the muffed punt. 1st and goal they run an end around and lose yards. Rattler sacked on 2nd down but doesn't lose any yards. Rattler scrambles to the 1 on 3rd. No tush push. No tunnel screen. No pick. No bootlegs. No fades. Just an inside zone from the Gun that loses 3 yards on 4th and goal at the 1. Drive dead.

Next drive Rattler throws a ball that Stoll should have caught on 2nd and 7. Instead we end up 3rd and 7 and Austin catches a pass short of the sticks. 3 and out.

Next drive is the sack fumble. They got immediate pressure as soon as Radunz was placed at RT. He was beaten immediately.

Rattler scrambles for a first on the next drive. They try to get Velus Jones in space and loses yards AGAIN. Rattler hits Bub Means with that laser. Not sure how he got the pass there. They get a first. False start. 1st and 15. Sack. 3rd and 16. Punt.

That ends Rattler's night. Then we get to see Shough run the 2 minute offense. He did what he was supposed to do. He took what the defense gave. And the defense gives a lot in a 2 minute.

Shough gets sacked and goes 3 and out. Shough throws a pick 6. Shough throws a TD.

On his 4th drive he starts off great, then takes a big sack that sets up 3rd and 19. 4 and out.

His final drive he completes a few passes and the drive stalls.

Shough threw double the amount of passes. We can chalk that up to situational football. The running game wasn't working and we were down so he got to chuck it more. I wasn't particularly impressed, but I do see the natural gifts.

AsylumGuido · 08-11-2025, 11:53 AM

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voodooido · 08-11-2025, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

Trade Rattler and Penning to the Chargers for Trey Lance immediately.

Lance is horrible. He’s traveled the league as a back up for a reason. I would rather go with what we have to see if there is any potential. Trading a starting guard and a backup qb for a backup qb is beyond ignorant.

SmashMouth · 08-11-2025, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Rattler started off well. He had a 9 yard pass to set up 2nd and 1. Saints tried to run it and got nothing setting up 3rd and 1. Rattler hits Wilson on the busted coverage for 21. Comes right back and scrambles for yards. 2nd and short. They get a first. They end up running for 1 yard on a 2nd and 10 setting up 3rd and 9. He hits an open guy and gets half that yardage. It's preseason so there's a huge chance they go for that but holding on Penning makes that 3rd and 19. Drive sabotaged with a penalty.

They get the ball back off the muffed punt. 1st and goal they run an end around and lose yards. Rattler sacked on 2nd down but doesn't lose any yards. Rattler scrambles to the 1 on 3rd. No tush push. No tunnel screen. No pick. No bootlegs. No fades. Just an inside zone from the Gun that loses 3 yards on 4th and goal at the 1. Drive dead.

Next drive Rattler throws a ball that Stoll should have caught on 2nd and 7. Instead we end up 3rd and 7 and Austin catches a pass short of the sticks. 3 and out.

Next drive is the sack fumble. They got immediate pressure as soon as Radunz was placed at RT. He was beaten immediately.

Rattler scrambles for a first on the next drive. They try to get Velus Jones in space and loses yards AGAIN. Rattler hits Bub Means with that laser. Not sure how he got the pass there. They get a first. False start. 1st and 15. Sack. 3rd and 16. Punt.

That ends Rattler's night. Then we get to see Shough run the 2 minute offense. He did what he was supposed to do. He took what the defense gave. And the defense gives a lot in a 2 minute.

Shough gets sacked and goes 3 and out. Shough throws a pick 6. Shough throws a TD.

On his 4th drive he starts off great, then takes a big sack that sets up 3rd and 19. 4 and out.

His final drive he completes a few passes and the drive stalls.

Shough threw double the amount of passes. We can chalk that up to situational football. The running game wasn't working and we were down so he got to chuck it more. I wasn't particularly impressed, but I do see the natural gifts.

That's the series he had Miller for an easy TD if he leads him with a throw.

Shough missed on a slight overthrow #81 for what may have been a TD.

Agreed we saw Radunz fail. Both QBs had those challenges.

Too much scrambling IMHO from Rattler whom had the benefit of playing a bunch of games last year, albeit behind a line full of injuries, not so dissimilar from yesterday's game. He's certainly tall enough to be a QB. It just looks as if he's trying to look over the line for an opportunity to throw. Maybe that's why he takes longer to read defenses. Who knows. Shough seemed to be quicker in both reading and executing throws. Does his 6'5" frame help him more? When Shough rolled out he was always scanning the field for a throw. Rattler didn't for when he had the chance to get Miller on an easy TD.

We'll see in the next game with the switcharoo starting QB lineup.

May the best man win!

SmashMouth · 08-11-2025, 12:53 PM

Tyler Shough leads drafted rookie quarterbacks in passing yards

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08-11-2025, 08:56 AM	#12
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,883 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Bobby’s synopsis was similar to mine - Oline depth has to be better. - Form tackling is key. - Some of these lower round guys are playing more inspired ball than these higher “rated” draft picks. Time for film study to improve next game. SmashMouth likes this.

08-11-2025, 09:07 AM	#13
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,086 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers I watched most of the game. IMO, Rattler looks the same as he did last season. Shough obviously had ups and downs but seems to have the higher ceiling. What had me rolling my eyes: O line injuries. What left me feeling good: The defense, depth and speed all over the field. Also Special Teams. SmashMouth likes this.

08-11-2025, 09:23 AM	#14
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,347	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers I don't understand how someone can make a judgement on Shough as not being "our guy" after 1 preseason game that wasn't even with the first team. I thought he played well for his first game. When we got Brees, did anyone think he was our guy? I remember people being skeptical of that as well. SmashMouth likes this.
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08-11-2025, 09:42 AM	#15
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,714	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Trade Rattler and Penning to the Chargers for Trey Lance immediately.

08-11-2025, 10:32 AM	#16
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,185	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Rattler started off well. He had a 9 yard pass to set up 2nd and 1. Saints tried to run it and got nothing setting up 3rd and 1. Rattler hits Wilson on the busted coverage for 21. Comes right back and scrambles for yards. 2nd and short. They get a first. They end up running for 1 yard on a 2nd and 10 setting up 3rd and 9. He hits an open guy and gets half that yardage. It's preseason so there's a huge chance they go for that but holding on Penning makes that 3rd and 19. Drive sabotaged with a penalty. They get the ball back off the muffed punt. 1st and goal they run an end around and lose yards. Rattler sacked on 2nd down but doesn't lose any yards. Rattler scrambles to the 1 on 3rd. No tush push. No tunnel screen. No pick. No bootlegs. No fades. Just an inside zone from the Gun that loses 3 yards on 4th and goal at the 1. Drive dead. Next drive Rattler throws a ball that Stoll should have caught on 2nd and 7. Instead we end up 3rd and 7 and Austin catches a pass short of the sticks. 3 and out. Next drive is the sack fumble. They got immediate pressure as soon as Radunz was placed at RT. He was beaten immediately. Rattler scrambles for a first on the next drive. They try to get Velus Jones in space and loses yards AGAIN. Rattler hits Bub Means with that laser. Not sure how he got the pass there. They get a first. False start. 1st and 15. Sack. 3rd and 16. Punt. That ends Rattler's night. Then we get to see Shough run the 2 minute offense. He did what he was supposed to do. He took what the defense gave. And the defense gives a lot in a 2 minute. Shough gets sacked and goes 3 and out. Shough throws a pick 6. Shough throws a TD. On his 4th drive he starts off great, then takes a big sack that sets up 3rd and 19. 4 and out. His final drive he completes a few passes and the drive stalls. Shough threw double the amount of passes. We can chalk that up to situational football. The running game wasn't working and we were down so he got to chuck it more. I wasn't particularly impressed, but I do see the natural gifts. exiled, turbo_dog and BakoSaint like this.
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08-11-2025, 12:43 PM	#19
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,200 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Originally Posted by rezburna Rattler started off well. He had a 9 yard pass to set up 2nd and 1. Saints tried to run it and got nothing setting up 3rd and 1. Rattler hits Wilson on the busted coverage for 21. Comes right back and scrambles for yards. 2nd and short. They get a first. They end up running for 1 yard on a 2nd and 10 setting up 3rd and 9. He hits an open guy and gets half that yardage. It's preseason so there's a huge chance they go for that but holding on Penning makes that 3rd and 19. Drive sabotaged with a penalty. They get the ball back off the muffed punt. 1st and goal they run an end around and lose yards. Rattler sacked on 2nd down but doesn't lose any yards. Rattler scrambles to the 1 on 3rd. No tush push. No tunnel screen. No pick. No bootlegs. No fades. Just an inside zone from the Gun that loses 3 yards on 4th and goal at the 1. Drive dead. Next drive Rattler throws a ball that Stoll should have caught on 2nd and 7. Instead we end up 3rd and 7 and Austin catches a pass short of the sticks. 3 and out. Next drive is the sack fumble. They got immediate pressure as soon as Radunz was placed at RT. He was beaten immediately. Rattler scrambles for a first on the next drive. They try to get Velus Jones in space and loses yards AGAIN. Rattler hits Bub Means with that laser. Not sure how he got the pass there. They get a first. False start. 1st and 15. Sack. 3rd and 16. Punt. That ends Rattler's night. Then we get to see Shough run the 2 minute offense. He did what he was supposed to do. He took what the defense gave. And the defense gives a lot in a 2 minute. Shough gets sacked and goes 3 and out. Shough throws a pick 6. Shough throws a TD. On his 4th drive he starts off great, then takes a big sack that sets up 3rd and 19. 4 and out. His final drive he completes a few passes and the drive stalls. Shough threw double the amount of passes. We can chalk that up to situational football. The running game wasn't working and we were down so he got to chuck it more. I wasn't particularly impressed, but I do see the natural gifts. That's the series he had Miller for an easy TD if he leads him with a throw. Shough missed on a slight overthrow #81 for what may have been a TD. Agreed we saw Radunz fail. Both QBs had those challenges. Too much scrambling IMHO from Rattler whom had the benefit of playing a bunch of games last year, albeit behind a line full of injuries, not so dissimilar from yesterday's game. He's certainly tall enough to be a QB. It just looks as if he's trying to look over the line for an opportunity to throw. Maybe that's why he takes longer to read defenses. Who knows. Shough seemed to be quicker in both reading and executing throws. Does his 6'5" frame help him more? When Shough rolled out he was always scanning the field for a throw. Rattler didn't for when he had the chance to get Miller on an easy TD. We'll see in the next game with the switcharoo starting QB lineup. May the best man win!

08-11-2025, 12:53 PM	#20
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