Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers

08-11-2025, 01:00 PM

Both Brees and Shough threw their first TD to the Chargers.

Is that an omen, a sign? Are the Saints eventual SB winners with the similarities of the genesis of Brees and Shough?

AsylumGuido · 08-11-2025, 01:25 PM

Shough made a few mistakes, but that is completely expected in first actual NFL level game play. I can't remember who said this, but they said that one thing about Shough is that when he does make a mistake he recognizes it and never makes the same mistake again. It may have been Coach Moore. Interceptions are to be expected in practice and in preseason for new QB's in learning what they can and cannot get away with. Brees said the same thing years ago when asked if he was worried about picks he threw in camp. He called it something like testing the limits.

AsylumGuido · 08-11-2025, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Both Brees and Shough threw their first TD to the Chargers.

Is that an omen, a sign? Are the Saints eventual SB winners with the similarities of the genesis of Brees and Shough?

Hall of Fame, Baby!!

AsylumGuido · 08-11-2025, 01:31 PM

turbo_dog · 08-11-2025, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Lance is horrible. He’s traveled the league as a back up for a reason. I would rather go with what we have to see if there is any potential. Trading a starting guard and a backup qb for a backup qb is beyond ignorant.

Oh you still think Penning is going to be good?

saintsfan1976 · 08-11-2025, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Rattler started off well. He had a 9 yard pass to set up 2nd and 1. Saints tried to run it and got nothing setting up 3rd and 1. Rattler hits Wilson on the busted coverage for 21. Comes right back and scrambles for yards. 2nd and short. They get a first. They end up running for 1 yard on a 2nd and 10 setting up 3rd and 9. He hits an open guy and gets half that yardage. It's preseason so there's a huge chance they go for that but holding on Penning makes that 3rd and 19. Drive sabotaged with a penalty.

They get the ball back off the muffed punt. 1st and goal they run an end around and lose yards. Rattler sacked on 2nd down but doesn't lose any yards. Rattler scrambles to the 1 on 3rd. No tush push. No tunnel screen. No pick. No bootlegs. No fades. Just an inside zone from the Gun that loses 3 yards on 4th and goal at the 1. Drive dead.

Next drive Rattler throws a ball that Stoll should have caught on 2nd and 7. Instead we end up 3rd and 7 and Austin catches a pass short of the sticks. 3 and out.

Next drive is the sack fumble. They got immediate pressure as soon as Radunz was placed at RT. He was beaten immediately.

Rattler scrambles for a first on the next drive. They try to get Velus Jones in space and loses yards AGAIN. Rattler hits Bub Means with that laser. Not sure how he got the pass there. They get a first. False start. 1st and 15. Sack. 3rd and 16. Punt.

That ends Rattler's night. Then we get to see Shough run the 2 minute offense. He did what he was supposed to do. He took what the defense gave. And the defense gives a lot in a 2 minute.

Shough gets sacked and goes 3 and out. Shough throws a pick 6. Shough throws a TD.

On his 4th drive he starts off great, then takes a big sack that sets up 3rd and 19. 4 and out.

His final drive he completes a few passes and the drive stalls.

Shough threw double the amount of passes. We can chalk that up to situational football. The running game wasn't working and we were down so he got to chuck it more. I wasn't particularly impressed, but I do see the natural gifts.

Shough got the 2 min that Rattler deserved. Interesting who Kellen threw the softball to...

To your point about the o line mix (esp Radunz), it's difficult to judge true QB performance that I'm left feeling "incomplete" on both. Like I said, Rattler looked about the same has he did last year and I can see what they like about Shough.

I'm eager to see practice this week and preseason game 2 for how these two respond but as of now, this still feels like a team in need of a true #1 QB

NOLA54 · 08-11-2025, 02:55 PM

It's going to be a looooong season.

SmashMouth · 08-11-2025, 03:34 PM

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Shough made a few mistakes, but that is completely expected in first actual NFL level game play. I can't remember who said this, but they said that one thing about Shough is that when he does make a mistake he recognizes it and never makes the same mistake again. It may have been Coach Moore. Interceptions are to be expected in practice and in preseason for new QB's in learning what they can and cannot get away with. Brees said the same thing years ago when asked if he was worried about picks he threw in camp. He called it something like testing the limits.
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08-11-2025, 02:50 PM	#26
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,086 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Originally Posted by rezburna Rattler started off well. He had a 9 yard pass to set up 2nd and 1. Saints tried to run it and got nothing setting up 3rd and 1. Rattler hits Wilson on the busted coverage for 21. Comes right back and scrambles for yards. 2nd and short. They get a first. They end up running for 1 yard on a 2nd and 10 setting up 3rd and 9. He hits an open guy and gets half that yardage. It's preseason so there's a huge chance they go for that but holding on Penning makes that 3rd and 19. Drive sabotaged with a penalty. They get the ball back off the muffed punt. 1st and goal they run an end around and lose yards. Rattler sacked on 2nd down but doesn't lose any yards. Rattler scrambles to the 1 on 3rd. No tush push. No tunnel screen. No pick. No bootlegs. No fades. Just an inside zone from the Gun that loses 3 yards on 4th and goal at the 1. Drive dead. Next drive Rattler throws a ball that Stoll should have caught on 2nd and 7. Instead we end up 3rd and 7 and Austin catches a pass short of the sticks. 3 and out. Next drive is the sack fumble. They got immediate pressure as soon as Radunz was placed at RT. He was beaten immediately. Rattler scrambles for a first on the next drive. They try to get Velus Jones in space and loses yards AGAIN. Rattler hits Bub Means with that laser. Not sure how he got the pass there. They get a first. False start. 1st and 15. Sack. 3rd and 16. Punt. That ends Rattler's night. Then we get to see Shough run the 2 minute offense. He did what he was supposed to do. He took what the defense gave. And the defense gives a lot in a 2 minute. Shough gets sacked and goes 3 and out. Shough throws a pick 6. Shough throws a TD. On his 4th drive he starts off great, then takes a big sack that sets up 3rd and 19. 4 and out. His final drive he completes a few passes and the drive stalls. Shough threw double the amount of passes. We can chalk that up to situational football. The running game wasn't working and we were down so he got to chuck it more. I wasn't particularly impressed, but I do see the natural gifts. Shough got the 2 min that Rattler deserved. Interesting who Kellen threw the softball to... To your point about the o line mix (esp Radunz), it's difficult to judge true QB performance that I'm left feeling "incomplete" on both. Like I said, Rattler looked about the same has he did last year and I can see what they like about Shough. I'm eager to see practice this week and preseason game 2 for how these two respond but as of now, this still feels like a team in need of a true #1 QB

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