Is it safe to say...

stickman · 08-18-2025, 08:05 AM

I am trying not to be too hard on Shough since he is a rookie with only limited time, in preseason games, to judge him on. But I really don't see anything to get excited about.

I think Rattler gives us our best chance at winning. And that chance is small.

voodooido · 08-18-2025, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I am trying not to be too hard on Shough since he is a rookie with only limited time, in preseason games, to judge him on. But I really don't see anything to get excited about.

I think Rattler gives us our best chance at winning. And that chance is small.

Why don’t assume Rat gives us a better chance? He went 0-6 last year against technically, even playing with all the backups, he should have slipped up on a win. Shough has played better in the preseason and has only been in the roster 4 months. So quick to give up on him but Rat is given chance after chance.

rezburna · 08-18-2025, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Why don’t assume Rat gives us a better chance? He went 0-6 last year against technically, even playing with all the backups, he should have slipped up on a win. Shough has played better in the preseason and has only been in the roster 4 months. So quick to give up on him but Rat is given chance after chance.

I'd say for the same reasons people are pretending like Shough gives us a good chance to win as if he wasn't a mediocre, journeyman QB in college that was completing just barely over 60% of his passes in conferences that aren't known for defensive intensity. Shough played for three different teams over the course of 6 years in college. His whole career has been built on second and third chances. We just got to watch Shough with Olave and Shaheed. We've never seen Rattler with them. They're giving him every opportunity to run away with the job and he can't separate from the 5th round pick of a previous regime. Rookie or not, Shough is older than Rattler. Ratt went 21-10 in college. Shough? 16-14.

SmashMouth · 08-18-2025, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I'd say for the same reasons people are pretending like Shough gives us a good chance to win as if he wasn't a mediocre, journeyman QB in college that was completing just barely over 60% of his passes in conferences that aren't known for defensive intensity. Shough played for three different teams over the course of 6 years in college. His whole career has been built on second and third chances. We just got to watch Shough with Olave and Shaheed. We've never seen Rattler with them. They're giving him every opportunity to run away with the job and he can't separate from the 5th round pick of a previous regime. Rookie or not, Shough is older than Rattler. Ratt went 21-10 in college. Shough? 16-14.

Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco?

rezburna · 08-18-2025, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco?

I saw somebody say we should trade for Jimmy Garoppolo. I don't see the point of bringing in a vet. We've seen it play out with Jameis, Dalton, Carr, etc.

Halo · 08-18-2025, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco?

Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously.

jnormand · 08-18-2025, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously.

I think it’s gonna be a long season no matter what. This team is in rebuild mode and I doubt that they have a winning record at the end of the season.

At best I’m just hoping they’re competitive and develop some of the younger players that will be here next season.

I’m prepared for a 5 win or less season.

If they do better, that’s fantastic. But with offensive line issues, inexperienced QB play and depth problems on both sides of the ball, this is gonna be a tough one.

K Major · 08-18-2025, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously.

And pray no injuries to McKoy.

Once he went down, the wheels fell off completely last season.

Rugby Saint II · 08-19-2025, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

And pray no injuries to McKoy.

Once he went down, the wheels fell off completely last season.

True Dat!

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2025, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously.

Continuity is the most important factor for the offensive line. When players are rotated in and out and moved from one position to another there's no way for the line to gel and learn to operate as a singular unit. The guards are dependent upon the center and visa versa. Same for the guards and tackles. McCoy is the most important piece especially with the young QB's. It's his job to identify the defense and make and execute the right counters.

When our offensive line was the best in the league we had all five players playing well over 90% of the snaps on the season. I really think that is more of the issue today than the personnel.

08-18-2025, 08:05 AM	#1
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,820	Re: Is it safe to say... I am trying not to be too hard on Shough since he is a rookie with only limited time, in preseason games, to judge him on. But I really don't see anything to get excited about. I think Rattler gives us our best chance at winning. And that chance is small. leilung likes this.

08-18-2025, 03:12 PM	#2
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,865	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by stickman I am trying not to be too hard on Shough since he is a rookie with only limited time, in preseason games, to judge him on. But I really don't see anything to get excited about. I think Rattler gives us our best chance at winning. And that chance is small. Why don’t assume Rat gives us a better chance? He went 0-6 last year against technically, even playing with all the backups, he should have slipped up on a win. Shough has played better in the preseason and has only been in the roster 4 months. So quick to give up on him but Rat is given chance after chance.
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08-18-2025, 04:02 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,190	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by voodooido Why don’t assume Rat gives us a better chance? He went 0-6 last year against technically, even playing with all the backups, he should have slipped up on a win. Shough has played better in the preseason and has only been in the roster 4 months. So quick to give up on him but Rat is given chance after chance. I'd say for the same reasons people are pretending like Shough gives us a good chance to win as if he wasn't a mediocre, journeyman QB in college that was completing just barely over 60% of his passes in conferences that aren't known for defensive intensity. Shough played for three different teams over the course of 6 years in college. His whole career has been built on second and third chances. We just got to watch Shough with Olave and Shaheed. We've never seen Rattler with them. They're giving him every opportunity to run away with the job and he can't separate from the 5th round pick of a previous regime. Rookie or not, Shough is older than Rattler. Ratt went 21-10 in college. Shough? 16-14.
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08-18-2025, 05:12 PM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,219 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by rezburna I'd say for the same reasons people are pretending like Shough gives us a good chance to win as if he wasn't a mediocre, journeyman QB in college that was completing just barely over 60% of his passes in conferences that aren't known for defensive intensity. Shough played for three different teams over the course of 6 years in college. His whole career has been built on second and third chances. We just got to watch Shough with Olave and Shaheed. We've never seen Rattler with them. They're giving him every opportunity to run away with the job and he can't separate from the 5th round pick of a previous regime. Rookie or not, Shough is older than Rattler. Ratt went 21-10 in college. Shough? 16-14. Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco? Sinner likes this.

08-18-2025, 05:25 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,190	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco? I saw somebody say we should trade for Jimmy Garoppolo. I don't see the point of bringing in a vet. We've seen it play out with Jameis, Dalton, Carr, etc. AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

08-18-2025, 05:57 PM	#6
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08-18-2025, 06:26 PM	#7
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,797	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by Halo Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously. I think it’s gonna be a long season no matter what. This team is in rebuild mode and I doubt that they have a winning record at the end of the season. At best I’m just hoping they’re competitive and develop some of the younger players that will be here next season. I’m prepared for a 5 win or less season. If they do better, that’s fantastic. But with offensive line issues, inexperienced QB play and depth problems on both sides of the ball, this is gonna be a tough one. SmashMouth likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,891 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by Halo Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously. And pray no injuries to McKoy. Once he went down, the wheels fell off completely last season. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,898	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by Halo Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously. Continuity is the most important factor for the offensive line. When players are rotated in and out and moved from one position to another there's no way for the line to gel and learn to operate as a singular unit. The guards are dependent upon the center and visa versa. Same for the guards and tackles. McCoy is the most important piece especially with the young QB's. It's his job to identify the defense and make and execute the right counters. When our offensive line was the best in the league we had all five players playing well over 90% of the snaps on the season. I really think that is more of the issue today than the personnel.
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