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Halo · 10-31-2005, 02:36 PM

Well I don't see this as a San Antonio vs. Louisiana thing. It's hard to compare a thriving economic city like San Antonio to a region that looks and feels like it just got hit by a nuclear bomb. That coupled with the fact that this organization has done nothing but snub their nose at the region and the State in general, 61,643 was a great accomplishment and I think the NFL saw that.

saintswhodi · 10-31-2005, 02:57 PM

Well I don't see this as a San Antonio vs. Louisiana thing.

Exactly what I am saying. That's why I pointed out twice the case for San Antonio was already weak. There's no need for that comparison, unless the game was sold out. This is a Louisiana verses Tom Benson thing. Or a Saints fans verses Tom Benson thing if you will. Pointing out those attendance numbers verses San Antonio's means nothing. Pointing out that a hurricane ravaged area where pople still can't go home or don't have homes to go to put 61,000 some odd people in the stands is all the point that needs to be made. And it was well made. The boo birds came out again, but it's cause they care. I loved seeing all the signs about keeping our team. That's the point that should be made.

saintz08 · 10-31-2005, 03:46 PM

The case for San Antonio was weak to begin with. But I don't think pointing out that 2500 more tickets sold at half the price is gonna be the deal breaker.

Has Texas begun funding the state corporate welfare program of the Saints ???? If you want to play the ticket price game , we can play the state subsidy game all day long .

The point was , that Benson is going to have a hard time selling the whole " I will go bankrupt if I do not move to San Antonio " concept with 61,000 butts in the seats .

It might stand more to reason that the general lack of interest is based upon the continual poor showing of your team . At some point in time there needs to be a comparison to attendance versus the poor quality of the team play . Arizona is the prime example , they have attendance under 40,000 all the time and that ownership seems to stay there and make things happen .

saintz08 · 10-31-2005, 03:46 PM

The case for San Antonio was weak to begin with. But I don't think pointing out that 2500 more tickets sold at half the price is gonna be the deal breaker.

Has Texas begun funding the state corporate welfare program of the Saints ???? If you want to play the ticket price game , we can play the state subsidy game all day long .

The point was , that Benson is going to have a hard time selling the whole " I will go bankrupt if I do not move to San Antonio " concept with 61,000 butts in the seats .

It might stand more to reason that the general lack of interest is based upon the continual poor showing of your team . At some point in time there needs to be a comparison to attendance versus the poor quality of the team play . Arizona is the prime example , they have attendance under 40,000 all the time and that ownership seems to stay there and make things happen .

saintswhodi · 10-31-2005, 03:59 PM

Has Texas begun funding the state corporate welfare program of the Saints ???? If you want to play the ticket price game , we can play the state subsidy game all day long

There has been no state subsidy this season. Weren't you told? And why would Texas give the Saints a subsidy when they don't give one to Dallas and Houston? Also, the governor has voiced he will pitch in money to help build a new stadium, as well as local investors, does that count? I still don't see how it's relevant to do a comparison. Saints, in New Orleans for 39 years. Saints in San Antonio for barely two weeks. I see what you're driving at.

The point was , that Benson is going to have a hard time selling the whole " I will go bankrupt if I do not move to San Antonio " concept with 61,000 butts in the seats .

He was having a hard time selling that wanyway. Noone believed him all last year when he cried broke but wouldn't open the books. We had 36 consec sellouts in the dome and he was crying broke, and noone believed him. This doesn't make it any harder on him. IMO. He is still the same greedy SOB.

It might stand more to reason that the general lack of interest is based upon the continual poor showing of your team . At some point in time there needs to be a comparison to attendance versus the poor quality of the team play . Arizona is the prime example , they have attendance under 40,000 all the time and that ownership seems to stay there and make things happen .

I agree 150%, that's why our consec sell out streak ended after we went 4-8. There is something to be said for testing the limits of fan patience. What I do know is, Baton Rouge and everyone there had a great showing thst stands on its own merits. Comparing them to San Antonio's first game isn't really doing anything to enhance that, cause there are SO many factors going into it. We need another great showing at the Bears game next week, but we still have to be concerned about Nov. 29 and this force majeure clause. [/b]

saintz08 · 10-31-2005, 07:02 PM

Has Texas begun funding the state corporate welfare program of the Saints ???? If you want to play the ticket price game , we can play the state subsidy game all day long

There has been no state subsidy this season. Weren't you told? And why would Texas give the Saints a subsidy when they don't give one to Dallas and Houston? Also, the governor has voiced he will pitch in money to help build a new stadium, as well as local investors, does that count? I still don't see how it's relevant to do a comparison. Saints, in New Orleans for 39 years. Saints in San Antonio for barely two weeks. I see what you're driving at.

I must have missed it , so fill me in ........

Louisiana Superdome officials said Wednesday they will pay New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson only a fraction of a $15 million subsidy for 2005 because of home games lost to Hurricane Katrina.

The decision by the Louisiana Stadium & Exposition District, which operates the Superdome, promises to impose additional legal strain on an issue central to where the Saints will play in 2006 ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â and whether Benson decides to consider moving the team to San Antonio.

Already, the two sides have agreed that a disaster, or force majeure, clause could allow the Saints to terminate the lease by Nov. 28 ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â or, within 90 days after Katrina struck on Aug. 29.

Now, officials at the Superdome say that while they believe "the Saints need to be a part of our future," they believe Benson is due only a $3.3 million subsidy payment this year.

Officials said they calculated the prorated subsidy based on the team having played only two preseason games at the Superdome ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â eight fewer games than scheduled.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/f....17da6404.html

saintz08 · 11-01-2005, 01:07 AM

I read this article earlier and am getting the impression that Tags took Benson to the wood shed during the game and Benson exploded on the cameraman to vent .....

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s....124569ae.html

1. Tagliabue also made it clear that league policy prohibits Saints owner Tom Benson from talking during the season about permanently relocating his team.

But Mayor Phil Hardberger indicated last week that talks are under way to bring the Saints to San Antonio, saying representatives of Benson hinted to city officials recently of Benson's desire for a new stadium.

"We have a very specific set of guidelines on that," Tagliabue said. "It's a policy we negotiated with the U.S. Conference of Mayors."

2. Tagliabue, who watched Sunday's game in Benson's suite, held a series of morning meetings with Benson, Blanco, New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin and other officials.

And the kick in the Balls ....

3. Tagliabue said the league would provide the Saints with temporary financial assistance this season. He also called for a fresh look at the team's subsidy-rich contract with the state-owned Superdome, which he called "flawed."

saintswhodi · 11-01-2005, 10:36 AM

That's a great article. The second one. That would count as a swift kick to the balls. As far as your other statement about my subsidy comment, I knew they were getting a fraction. But to an owner demanding more for years, 3.3 million of what would have been 15 mil is nothing.

10-31-2005, 02:36 PM	#11
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	RE: Re: RE: Classless Well I don't see this as a San Antonio vs. Louisiana thing. It's hard to compare a thriving economic city like San Antonio to a region that looks and feels like it just got hit by a nuclear bomb. That coupled with the fact that this organization has done nothing but snub their nose at the region and the State in general, 61,643 was a great accomplishment and I think the NFL saw that.

10-31-2005, 03:46 PM	#13
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	The case for San Antonio was weak to begin with. But I don't think pointing out that 2500 more tickets sold at half the price is gonna be the deal breaker. Has Texas begun funding the state corporate welfare program of the Saints ???? If you want to play the ticket price game , we can play the state subsidy game all day long . The point was , that Benson is going to have a hard time selling the whole " I will go bankrupt if I do not move to San Antonio " concept with 61,000 butts in the seats . It might stand more to reason that the general lack of interest is based upon the continual poor showing of your team . At some point in time there needs to be a comparison to attendance versus the poor quality of the team play . Arizona is the prime example , they have attendance under 40,000 all the time and that ownership seems to stay there and make things happen .
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10-31-2005, 03:46 PM	#14
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	The case for San Antonio was weak to begin with. But I don't think pointing out that 2500 more tickets sold at half the price is gonna be the deal breaker. Has Texas begun funding the state corporate welfare program of the Saints ???? If you want to play the ticket price game , we can play the state subsidy game all day long . The point was , that Benson is going to have a hard time selling the whole " I will go bankrupt if I do not move to San Antonio " concept with 61,000 butts in the seats . It might stand more to reason that the general lack of interest is based upon the continual poor showing of your team . At some point in time there needs to be a comparison to attendance versus the poor quality of the team play . Arizona is the prime example , they have attendance under 40,000 all the time and that ownership seems to stay there and make things happen .
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10-31-2005, 07:02 PM	#16
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Has Texas begun funding the state corporate welfare program of the Saints ???? If you want to play the ticket price game , we can play the state subsidy game all day long There has been no state subsidy this season. Weren't you told? And why would Texas give the Saints a subsidy when they don't give one to Dallas and Houston? Also, the governor has voiced he will pitch in money to help build a new stadium, as well as local investors, does that count? I still don't see how it's relevant to do a comparison. Saints, in New Orleans for 39 years. Saints in San Antonio for barely two weeks. I see what you're driving at. I must have missed it , so fill me in ........ Louisiana Superdome officials said Wednesday they will pay New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson only a fraction of a $15 million subsidy for 2005 because of home games lost to Hurricane Katrina. The decision by the Louisiana Stadium & Exposition District, which operates the Superdome, promises to impose additional legal strain on an issue central to where the Saints will play in 2006 ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â and whether Benson decides to consider moving the team to San Antonio. Already, the two sides have agreed that a disaster, or force majeure, clause could allow the Saints to terminate the lease by Nov. 28 ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â or, within 90 days after Katrina struck on Aug. 29. Now, officials at the Superdome say that while they believe "the Saints need to be a part of our future," they believe Benson is due only a $3.3 million subsidy payment this year. Officials said they calculated the prorated subsidy based on the team having played only two preseason games at the Superdome ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â eight fewer games than scheduled. http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/f....17da6404.html
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11-01-2005, 01:07 AM	#17
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I read this article earlier and am getting the impression that Tags took Benson to the wood shed during the game and Benson exploded on the cameraman to vent ..... http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s....124569ae.html 1. Tagliabue also made it clear that league policy prohibits Saints owner Tom Benson from talking during the season about permanently relocating his team. But Mayor Phil Hardberger indicated last week that talks are under way to bring the Saints to San Antonio, saying representatives of Benson hinted to city officials recently of Benson's desire for a new stadium. "We have a very specific set of guidelines on that," Tagliabue said. "It's a policy we negotiated with the U.S. Conference of Mayors." 2. Tagliabue, who watched Sunday's game in Benson's suite, held a series of morning meetings with Benson, Blanco, New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin and other officials. And the kick in the Balls .... 3. Tagliabue said the league would provide the Saints with temporary financial assistance this season. He also called for a fresh look at the team's subsidy-rich contract with the state-owned Superdome, which he called "flawed."
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10-31-2005, 02:57 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Well I don't see this as a San Antonio vs. Louisiana thing. Exactly what I am saying. That's why I pointed out twice the case for San Antonio was already weak. There's no need for that comparison, unless the game was sold out. This is a Louisiana verses Tom Benson thing. Or a Saints fans verses Tom Benson thing if you will. Pointing out those attendance numbers verses San Antonio's means nothing. Pointing out that a hurricane ravaged area where pople still can't go home or don't have homes to go to put 61,000 some odd people in the stands is all the point that needs to be made. And it was well made. The boo birds came out again, but it's cause they care. I loved seeing all the signs about keeping our team. That's the point that should be made.

10-31-2005, 03:59 PM	#15
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Has Texas begun funding the state corporate welfare program of the Saints ???? If you want to play the ticket price game , we can play the state subsidy game all day long There has been no state subsidy this season. Weren't you told? And why would Texas give the Saints a subsidy when they don't give one to Dallas and Houston? Also, the governor has voiced he will pitch in money to help build a new stadium, as well as local investors, does that count? I still don't see how it's relevant to do a comparison. Saints, in New Orleans for 39 years. Saints in San Antonio for barely two weeks. I see what you're driving at. The point was , that Benson is going to have a hard time selling the whole " I will go bankrupt if I do not move to San Antonio " concept with 61,000 butts in the seats . He was having a hard time selling that wanyway. Noone believed him all last year when he cried broke but wouldn't open the books. We had 36 consec sellouts in the dome and he was crying broke, and noone believed him. This doesn't make it any harder on him. IMO. He is still the same greedy SOB. It might stand more to reason that the general lack of interest is based upon the continual poor showing of your team . At some point in time there needs to be a comparison to attendance versus the poor quality of the team play . Arizona is the prime example , they have attendance under 40,000 all the time and that ownership seems to stay there and make things happen . I agree 150%, that's why our consec sell out streak ended after we went 4-8. There is something to be said for testing the limits of fan patience. What I do know is, Baton Rouge and everyone there had a great showing thst stands on its own merits. Comparing them to San Antonio's first game isn't really doing anything to enhance that, cause there are SO many factors going into it. We need another great showing at the Bears game next week, but we still have to be concerned about Nov. 29 and this force majeure clause. [/b]

11-01-2005, 10:36 AM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	That's a great article. The second one. That would count as a swift kick to the balls. As far as your other statement about my subsidy comment, I knew they were getting a fraction. But to an owner demanding more for years, 3.3 million of what would have been 15 mil is nothing.