1st half Offense Assessment

saintz08 · 11-02-2005, 06:47 PM

Alright ........

You guys start the name calling in this thread and I am gonna lock it down .

Knock that chit off

Argue the post not the poster ........

LordOfEntropy · 11-02-2005, 06:54 PM

I hope all involved see that I am taking the high road

Also noted an appreciated. Nice slam there Whodi. Game, set, match.

BoudinSandwich · 11-02-2005, 07:30 PM

Man, those were a lot of complaints.

TheDeuce · 11-02-2005, 07:30 PM

I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills.

BINGO. Well said Lynwood. This team overall is pretty crappy, but at QB Brooks is especially crappy. Everything that goes wrong in the offense that has something to do with the quarterback position can pretty much be blamed on "THE HUMAN TURNOVER."

BoudinSandwich · 11-02-2005, 07:35 PM

"Bad News Brooks" is what I call him.

Euphoria · 11-02-2005, 08:07 PM

Now can we talk bad about someone else on the team... lets say... HENDERSON

lynwood · 11-02-2005, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

Quote:
I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills.

You are totally right there, he is the cause for the QB'ing issues for the Saints. Just like the others before he were the ills for the previous 33 years before Brooks. Strange that the ills Brooks has with the Saints are the same ills a QB in Carolina has but his team still wins despite that....Hhhhmmmm???

When the next ills at the QB position comes in and probably does worse than Brooks, what will you do with your spare time?

We had a good QB his name was Blake. Somehow Brooks got the credit for his season. I also notice when your argument has no ground you go into the " Saints suck for 33 years" argument . Stop living in the past. Brooks is our QB now and has been for the past 5 years.The offensive line has not been the same for the past 5 years or the defensive line-up. So brooks issues in the past 5 years has been consistant no matter who was in front of him or who was on the defense. 5 years is plenty of time to judge a player and figure out what your gonna get. with brooks we've seen that we get bone headed plays, untoached fumbles, and backpeddling for huge losses more than we've seen positive plays by him. Yeah we've had QB issues for 33 years and you know what, people during those years were probably saying negative things about them during that time period they played. So lets focus on our time period and deal with Brooks. He is NOT going to be the guy to take us or any team to a superbowl. All the opposing defense has to do is blitz him and he'll beat himself.

And the next QB comes in and plays worse than Brooks believe me I'll be letting him have it. But if he plays better what will you be doing? Defending Brooks still? You think I have a personal vendetta against Brooks and I do not. I just don't think he can be a good QB, and he needs to be benched because of his play and not because of who he is personally. I bet if his name was Jake you'd be doggin him too.

xan · 11-02-2005, 09:33 PM

ok, you got your ONE stat, here's several more that obviate your position:

Passing Defense 8th in NFL
Sacks 20th
Passing TDs 20th
Interceptions T20th
Avg Rush T22nd
Scoring D 19.7 - 26th - But how MANY redzone turnovers so far this year??? Let's have a look at that why don't we:

Brooks has turned the ball over in NO territory 8 times leading to 6TDs, one FG, one Saftey and one Punt.
As a team, there have been 14 turnovers in NO territory yielding 10 TDs, 2 FG's, one safety, one Punt and one End of half. Half of all opponents' TD's and 2 FGs, or 76 of the 155 points allowed by the defense, have been a direct result of short field situations caused by the offense/special teams. No other defense in the league has had to withstand this much pressure, including Houston. It may not be all Brooks' fault, but he's more than 70% at fault.

saintswhodi · 11-02-2005, 09:39 PM

Note, it was said that stats get flipped on me, and I run, yet I posted stats and articles, and no response. Interesting.

saintswhodi · 11-02-2005, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

Quote:
I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills.

You are totally right there, he is the cause for the QB'ing issues for the Saints. Just like the others before he were the ills for the previous 33 years before Brooks. Strange that the ills Brooks has with the Saints are the same ills a QB in Carolina has but his team still wins despite that....Hhhhmmmm???
When the next ills at the QB position comes in and probably does worse than Brooks, what will you do with your spare time?

I'll try this again since you RAN from answering it in the other thread, and are already running in this one:

Aaron Brooks verses the Vikings:

37.5% completion rate. 199 yards. 1 TD 2 INTs 43.6 passer rating.

Jake Delhomme verses the vikings:

70% completion rate. 341 yards. 3 TDs O INTs. 141.1 passer rating.

Had enough yet?

Aaron Brooks on the year:

53.6% completion rate. 1754 yards. 6 TDs. 10 INTs. 4 fumbles. 67.1 completion rate.

Jake Delhomme on the year:

Now these are his numbers with a bye, meaning one less game played than Aaron is your god Brooks.

60% completion rate. 1677 yards. 13Tds 8 INTs 3 fumbles. 92 passer rating.

Wanna go to last year? Stick a fork in you. This is a losing argument for three straight years now.

11-02-2005, 06:47 PM	#11
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11-02-2005, 07:30 PM	#14
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills. BINGO. Well said Lynwood. This team overall is pretty crappy, but at QB Brooks is especially crappy. Everything that goes wrong in the offense that has something to do with the quarterback position can pretty much be blamed on "THE HUMAN TURNOVER."
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11-02-2005, 08:35 PM	#17
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Originally Posted by BlackonBlack Quote: I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills. You are totally right there, he is the cause for the QB'ing issues for the Saints. Just like the others before he were the ills for the previous 33 years before Brooks. Strange that the ills Brooks has with the Saints are the same ills a QB in Carolina has but his team still wins despite that....Hhhhmmmm??? When the next ills at the QB position comes in and probably does worse than Brooks, what will you do with your spare time? We had a good QB his name was Blake. Somehow Brooks got the credit for his season. I also notice when your argument has no ground you go into the " Saints suck for 33 years" argument . Stop living in the past. Brooks is our QB now and has been for the past 5 years.The offensive line has not been the same for the past 5 years or the defensive line-up. So brooks issues in the past 5 years has been consistant no matter who was in front of him or who was on the defense. 5 years is plenty of time to judge a player and figure out what your gonna get. with brooks we've seen that we get bone headed plays, untoached fumbles, and backpeddling for huge losses more than we've seen positive plays by him. Yeah we've had QB issues for 33 years and you know what, people during those years were probably saying negative things about them during that time period they played. So lets focus on our time period and deal with Brooks. He is NOT going to be the guy to take us or any team to a superbowl. All the opposing defense has to do is blitz him and he'll beat himself. And the next QB comes in and plays worse than Brooks believe me I'll be letting him have it. But if he plays better what will you be doing? Defending Brooks still? You think I have a personal vendetta against Brooks and I do not. I just don't think he can be a good QB, and he needs to be benched because of his play and not because of who he is personally. I bet if his name was Jake you'd be doggin him too.

11-02-2005, 09:41 PM	#20
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackonBlack Quote: I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills. You are totally right there, he is the cause for the QB'ing issues for the Saints. Just like the others before he were the ills for the previous 33 years before Brooks. Strange that the ills Brooks has with the Saints are the same ills a QB in Carolina has but his team still wins despite that....Hhhhmmmm??? When the next ills at the QB position comes in and probably does worse than Brooks, what will you do with your spare time? I'll try this again since you RAN from answering it in the other thread, and are already running in this one: Aaron Brooks verses the Vikings: 37.5% completion rate. 199 yards. 1 TD 2 INTs 43.6 passer rating. Jake Delhomme verses the vikings: 70% completion rate. 341 yards. 3 TDs O INTs. 141.1 passer rating. Had enough yet? Aaron Brooks on the year: 53.6% completion rate. 1754 yards. 6 TDs. 10 INTs. 4 fumbles. 67.1 completion rate. Jake Delhomme on the year: Now these are his numbers with a bye, meaning one less game played than Aaron is your god Brooks. 60% completion rate. 1677 yards. 13Tds 8 INTs 3 fumbles. 92 passer rating. Wanna go to last year? Stick a fork in you. This is a losing argument for three straight years now.

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11-02-2005, 06:54 PM	#12
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	I hope all involved see that I am taking the high road Also noted an appreciated. Nice slam there Whodi. Game, set, match.

11-02-2005, 07:30 PM	#13
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	Man, those were a lot of complaints.

11-02-2005, 07:35 PM	#15
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	"Bad News Brooks" is what I call him.

11-02-2005, 08:07 PM	#16
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Now can we talk bad about someone else on the team... lets say... HENDERSON

11-02-2005, 09:33 PM	#18
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	ok, you got your ONE stat, here's several more that obviate your position: Passing Defense 8th in NFL Sacks 20th Passing TDs 20th Interceptions T20th Avg Rush T22nd Scoring D 19.7 - 26th - But how MANY redzone turnovers so far this year??? Let's have a look at that why don't we: Brooks has turned the ball over in NO territory 8 times leading to 6TDs, one FG, one Saftey and one Punt. As a team, there have been 14 turnovers in NO territory yielding 10 TDs, 2 FG's, one safety, one Punt and one End of half. Half of all opponents' TD's and 2 FGs, or 76 of the 155 points allowed by the defense, have been a direct result of short field situations caused by the offense/special teams. No other defense in the league has had to withstand this much pressure, including Houston. It may not be all Brooks' fault, but he's more than 70% at fault.

11-02-2005, 09:39 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Note, it was said that stats get flipped on me, and I run, yet I posted stats and articles, and no response. Interesting.