Brooks last season poll

fhotard · 11-03-2005, 01:27 PM

I voted to keep Brooks in till the end of the season...gives us a better shot at an early draft pick.
But since the front office doesn't know what to do with draft picks, I guess it doesn't really matter.

TallySaint · 11-03-2005, 01:36 PM

Tally, you made me think for a moment about what I would want to see vs. what would be best for the team....

Again, I value AB's on-field experience while working a rookie in more than his mentor value....or perhaps a seasoned QB of equal or greater value.

Save the cap room, pick up Kurt Warner to teach the guy to read D's (at $1 million, a pretty cheap backup) and buy a LB or two with the extra cheese.

You may be putting the cart before the horse here. It seems you are assuming the rookie or A-Mac would be the starter. That would be great! But there's a distinct possibility that either would be a little green. My thinking is we must go into next season with a veteran starting... or at least prepared to.

For one, his salary would be so far out of line with back-ups it's obscene.

Yep. Good point. One that can't be dismissed. There is no easy answer here, salary wise, in a potential QB mix of high-dollar rookie and veteran.

Thanks for your responses.

8)

jennifer · 11-03-2005, 01:54 PM

I was one of the two that want to keep brooks! Have you seen our offensive line lately?!

TallySaint · 11-03-2005, 02:05 PM

Reason and grasp of offensive woes will get you nowhere here, jenn.

saintswhodi · 11-03-2005, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by jennifer

I was one of the two that want to keep brooks! Have you seen our offensive line lately?!

That's been one of the excuses for about 5 years now jen. Time to turn the page.

xan · 11-03-2005, 02:26 PM

The offensive line is doing fine, considering that the opposing defenses are sending 6 rushers, and 8 in the box while the running backs and tight ends are playing what Walt "Clyde" Fraser terms as "Matador D", barely getting any contact with blitzers or containing on the edges for running plays. The wide receivers block like girls protecting their breasts.

TallySaint · 11-03-2005, 02:46 PM

The offensive line is doing fine

Don't wanna be a smart-arse. But I'm tempted to give you my home phone number so you can call me next time you see the O-line blowin' a defense off the ball when we run.

Where I'm not able to see all the games. I've seen wideouts lay out an aggressive block or two. Stallworth's efforts come to mind.

The line's efforts against the pass are noble, just not successful.

spkb25 · 11-03-2005, 02:58 PM

need to get rid of him but nothing matters if we don't replace the coach

xan · 11-03-2005, 06:30 PM

The fact that the rushing game is much improved over last year in terms of yds per carry (4.34 vs 3.94) and yds per game (120.1 vs 91.75) speaks to the reasonable play of the O-line, despite losing Deuce. I think that part of the problem is the "simplified" offense. It calls for fewer formations, fewer motion options and fewer play options per formation. It doesn't seem like the opposing team has too much trouble seeing what's coming (even I know what they'll call and I "watch" most games over the GameCast internet connection). Knowing what's coming gives the opposing defense way too much of an advantage, and even more so over the Saints' O-line for long yardage situations. Opposing D's blitz well over 60% of the time anyway, and almost always on 3rd downs.

APSaintsfan · 11-03-2005, 09:26 PM

Just curious? What did we see of A-Mac at Florida State on how he read defenses? If he was good then under Bobby Bowden, who is in my opinion one of the best coaches ever, what is taking Haslett and company so long to make a change?? If it is because they wanna keep a over-paid QB in to work him as much as they can?? You know get your monies worth!!! Yeah right they are not getting their monies worth. Just get A-Mac ready to go in this Sunday against the Bears. If Brooks is making rookie mistakes I would rather have a real rookie doing them. It can't hurt!!!! Get A-Mac in and you never know could be a great thing for the team. This is where I think Brooks needs to step down for the team!!! Not quit but just let somebody else try to do something for the team.
Just my opinion
peace

11-03-2005, 01:36 PM	#22
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	Tally, you made me think for a moment about what I would want to see vs. what would be best for the team.... Again, I value AB's on-field experience while working a rookie in more than his mentor value....or perhaps a seasoned QB of equal or greater value. Save the cap room, pick up Kurt Warner to teach the guy to read D's (at $1 million, a pretty cheap backup) and buy a LB or two with the extra cheese. You may be putting the cart before the horse here. It seems you are assuming the rookie or A-Mac would be the starter. That would be great! But there's a distinct possibility that either would be a little green. My thinking is we must go into next season with a veteran starting... or at least prepared to. For one, his salary would be so far out of line with back-ups it's obscene. Yep. Good point. One that can't be dismissed. There is no easy answer here, salary wise, in a potential QB mix of high-dollar rookie and veteran. Thanks for your responses. 8)
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11-03-2005, 01:54 PM	#23
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by jennifer I was one of the two that want to keep brooks! Have you seen our offensive line lately?! That's been one of the excuses for about 5 years now jen. Time to turn the page.

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fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	I voted to keep Brooks in till the end of the season...gives us a better shot at an early draft pick. But since the front office doesn't know what to do with draft picks, I guess it doesn't really matter.

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TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	Reason and grasp of offensive woes will get you nowhere here, jenn.

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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,368 Blog Entries: 34	The offensive line is doing fine, considering that the opposing defenses are sending 6 rushers, and 8 in the box while the running backs and tight ends are playing what Walt "Clyde" Fraser terms as "Matador D", barely getting any contact with blitzers or containing on the edges for running plays. The wide receivers block like girls protecting their breasts.

11-03-2005, 02:46 PM	#27
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	The offensive line is doing fine Don't wanna be a smart-arse. But I'm tempted to give you my home phone number so you can call me next time you see the O-line blowin' a defense off the ball when we run. Where I'm not able to see all the games. I've seen wideouts lay out an aggressive block or two. Stallworth's efforts come to mind. The line's efforts against the pass are noble, just not successful.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	need to get rid of him but nothing matters if we don't replace the coach

11-03-2005, 06:30 PM	#29
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,368 Blog Entries: 34	The fact that the rushing game is much improved over last year in terms of yds per carry (4.34 vs 3.94) and yds per game (120.1 vs 91.75) speaks to the reasonable play of the O-line, despite losing Deuce. I think that part of the problem is the "simplified" offense. It calls for fewer formations, fewer motion options and fewer play options per formation. It doesn't seem like the opposing team has too much trouble seeing what's coming (even I know what they'll call and I "watch" most games over the GameCast internet connection). Knowing what's coming gives the opposing defense way too much of an advantage, and even more so over the Saints' O-line for long yardage situations. Opposing D's blitz well over 60% of the time anyway, and almost always on 3rd downs.

11-03-2005, 09:26 PM	#30
APSaintsfan 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 119	Just curious? What did we see of A-Mac at Florida State on how he read defenses? If he was good then under Bobby Bowden, who is in my opinion one of the best coaches ever, what is taking Haslett and company so long to make a change?? If it is because they wanna keep a over-paid QB in to work him as much as they can?? You know get your monies worth!!! Yeah right they are not getting their monies worth. Just get A-Mac ready to go in this Sunday against the Bears. If Brooks is making rookie mistakes I would rather have a real rookie doing them. It can't hurt!!!! Get A-Mac in and you never know could be a great thing for the team. This is where I think Brooks needs to step down for the team!!! Not quit but just let somebody else try to do something for the team. Just my opinion peace