Yeah, but just because San Fran, Green Bay, & Tennessee already have a "QB of the Future", doesn't mean anything. In fact, it probably makes them more likely to trade down to get more picks. Leinart will not fall any further than 2 or 3, if that. Whether or not a team needs a QB will be irrellavent, because those teams that do not will have alot to gain from those who do want Lienart. The only guarantee the Saints have at Lienart is to finish with the worst record. Beyond that, nothing is for certain.

I will guarantee you if we end up 6 or 7 we will either trade up to get Leinhart or trade down to get alot more picks. 6 or 7 this year is going to be a toss up between 20 different players and I wish we still had Randy and you all know who I be speakin bout. Don mak my gheto cum out!

Here is the irony of the saints situation. When we finally suck bad enough to get a top ten pick and need to draft a QB, the draft is full of stud linebackers. Any other year I would be chomping at the bit to draft AJ Hawk, Chad Greenway, Demeco Ryans, Thomas Howard, D'Qwell Jackson, or AJ Nicholson. Hell, what if Ernie Sims, Paul Posluszny, or Ahmad Brooks come out early. This draft could be loaded at LB. Hilarious. God has a twisted sense of humor. My perfect scenario would be for the saints to put Amac in, have him perform well, go with the best player available draft strategy, and pick up Reggie Bush. Only in my dreams (and my madden 2006 franchise).

We are going to have to do exceedingly bad in the standings because, despite what the link above shows in regards to strength of schedule, every mock draft shows that the Saints will pick behind the Titians, Jets, Cardinals, 49ers, Baltimore and probably the Texans, if they all end up with identical records. So it won't be "good" enough to end up 2-14 if they are also 2-14. Can you imagine being 2-14 and getting only the seventh pick in the draft? We can't win for losing.

Yeah, I see you got the SOS thing figured out but of course the SOS can change depending on how many wins those teams end up with at the end of the season. Thats why I find it fruitless to waste time on guessing every day, everyweek...

Is it based on the wins that your opponents put up in the current year or the previous year? I was under the impression it was for the previous year.

It's also fruitless for someone who isn't interested in a particular discussion to tell others something they wanna discuss is fruitless when that person can simply avoid the discussion altogether. :shock:

Good point, SW.

As far as your question about SOS mjf, I think it goes by records at the end of that year. Whoever played the easier schedule yet still had a bad record picks higher. The stronger your opponents SOS, the lower you pick if tied. The SOS you showed wa sjust a determination at thebeginning of the year, nased on last year, of who had the hardest schedule this season. It has nothing to do with the draft. So if we are tied with say Tenn, And Tenn's opponents have a .550 winning percentage, and ours have a .490 winning percentage, we would pick before them due to the fact we played an easier schedule, and still had a bad record.

I agree with everything you just said except for this:

I believe it is just the opposite. The team that played the stronger schedule pick before the team that had it easier.

Its comes down the the SOS at the end of the year. The team with the weakest schedule get the edge. If there can't not break a tie by that then it goes to Division wins and then Conferance wins and still can't break a tie then they flip a coin. The way its going it could come down to a game that neither of the teams are playing in weather they pick 5 or 1.

Naw, I am pretty sure it's the opposite of what you said. Example: Team A plays 8 playoff teams, and 8 non playoff teams and is 8-8. Team B plays NO playoff teams, and is 8-8. Team B would get the higher draft pick because they had an easier schedule, and still ended up with a poor record. The draft is set up to reward the teams who need help the most.

Okay, Stewie. If your right, then when the current draft order comes out later today, then it should be as follows:

Pk Teams Rec. Opp. Rec.
1) Texans 1-9 N/A
2) Titans 2-8 50-50
3) Saints 2-8 51-49
4) Packer 2-8 54-46
5) NYJets 2-8 57-43
6) 49ers 2-8 62-28

I guess we'll see.

Is it like that? I haven't looked, but I think that should be right. But now that you make me look at it, I think I could be way wrong. lol I am not sure now. We will see.

Where we need alot of help on both sides of the ball (and special teams, at times), I'd be cool to finagle two first rounders in Bush and Cutler....






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Stewie, the new draft order is out and it goes as follows: Houston, Tenn, NY Jets, then New Orleans. How do you figure that? The Jets opponents have a 57-43 record and the Saints opponents have a 51-49 record. The Saints should pick before them. It doesn't make sense. Tennessee should pick second b/c their opponents have a 50-50 record. So, it isn't in order of worst opponent record to best opponent record. There must best something else to the formula. Does anyone know why the order is the way it is?

There is, however, one surefire way to leapfrog the Jets - lose to them on Sunday.

Uhm I hope you aren't using that website... that isn't the official website who controls the draft order. Right now the Saints are currently 3rd in the draft order. They are wrong.

I guess that answers that.

Where did you find the "official website" with the draft order stating that the Saints were in third as of last week?

mjf, look at this:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/fea...raftorder.html

Notice, the teams that are tied. The ones with a WORSE SOS are higher, just like I said. If you play a weaker schedule, yet still have a bad record, you draft higher than a team with the same record that played a tougher schedule. It's how they promote parity. Notice: NYJ, SF, and GB are all 2-9. But NYJ SOS is .517, SF is .545 and GB is .551, and that is how NYJ is 2, SF 3 and GB 4. Same thing for all 3-8 teams. Same thing for all 4-7 teams. You will find the same thing on the entire draft order.

Very insightful. Thank you for the information and the link. So, had we lost Sunday night, we would currently be in the number two spot b/c of our record and SoS.

Exactly. Could you have imagined, us number two with one of the tougher remaining schedules in the league? Yet, we blew it. And our SOS is gonna get higher due to our upcoming level of opponents, so we gotta hope some people who we played lose, the Jets win a couple, GB gets lucky, SF won't take a QB so no worries there. But that one win pushed us all the way to 7. It sucks.

what you trying to be smart now wise guy... that I figured out all by my lonesome, and checking the rules for myself, not relying on a website that has no official ties to the NFL.

I think your misunderstanding my intent. I meant no disrespect, nor to be "funny". Just wanted to find a more reliable site for the information.

lol thats cool... yeah I don't think there is one just yet I think if memory serves me well just as the playoffs get here the NFL.com will post on a page the selections and as they lose in the playoffs the add them to the positions that of which they pick and that is no mistaken.