Saints QB

papz · 11-11-2005, 02:58 PM

Yup... but oh well. That's how the cookie crumbles for us sw.

On Shaun King... I'm sorry but I'll definately pass. He had plenty enough shots to prove he could be a starter in the NFL. He got plenty of starts in Tampa and he flat out tanked it. He even had an opportunity to win the Cards starters job but he failed to beat out Josh McCown and John Navarre. He could come here, but as a 2nd or 3rd string quarterback, but definately not a starter.

saintswhodi · 11-11-2005, 02:59 PM

Sorry mjf, but I would pass on King. Even though he went to Tulane, he was riding a very strong D when Tampa was in the NFC champ game, kinda like Baltimore did with Dilfer. I'd look at Rohan Davey over Shaun King at this point. I do like the point about Brees over Rivers though, and that would be my choice as well.

TallySaint · 11-11-2005, 03:14 PM

Hmm...

mjf150 may have been the only one, so far, to fully understand the question.

Thanks for your responses.

8)

BlackandBlue · 11-11-2005, 04:09 PM

Please, for the love of all that is holy, no on Rivers. Never understood the fascination, was never all that impressed with the guy, didn't get a good vibe.

I would rather try to work a deal with Chicago after the season is over with to obtain either Orton or Grossman. I know, Grossman has hardly played a down, but in my opinion, he scores out higher than Rivers.

TheDeuce · 11-11-2005, 04:46 PM

Please, for the love of all that is holy, no on Rivers. Never understood the fascination, was never all that impressed with the guy, didn't get a good vibe.

Ditto for me BandB. I don't see why this guy is so sought after. Doesn't he have awful mechanics? Didn't he have problems with his franchise immediately (months long holdout) ? I don't know, he's never really played, and it seems like people are saying that we should trade all this stuff to get him...

TallySaint · 11-11-2005, 04:48 PM

Let's try this again.

For a moment, let's assume we're gonna develop a new QB - be it A-Mac or a draft pick. Let's also assume we'd trade AB to get some dollar room to work and need to sign a veteran to be our starter and provide stability in the mean time.

I feel pretty confident that we'd need to keep Brooks or sign a seasoned veteran in the mean-time. Many of you have suggested QB's that are prime for development, not a veteran that can keep the ship upright while the new guy develops.

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BlackandBlue · 11-11-2005, 05:00 PM

Funky mechanics was one, but he did nothing in my eyes that warranted him going from a 2nd round, possibly early 1st at the end of the college season, to a top-5 pick, based off what he did during workouts and the combine.
Grossman has shown me that he can at least compete at this level, to the point, where he would even take full, not part, not a little bit, but FULL responsibility for a loss. Guys like that can play on my team anytime.
He's in the NFL- you think the Bears keep him around for ****s and giggles? Don't underestimate Lovie Smith, he is in the process of turning that franchise around. And if Brees has shown that he is not competant enough to carry the Chargers, maybe the whole Rivers argument is a moot point to begin with.
Good thing the Chargers DIDN'T take into account all the runningbacks that have come out of TCU over the past 50 years, when they decided to draft LT.

Saint_LB · 11-11-2005, 05:31 PM

I'd draft Lienart to be my future franchise QB, and in the mean time I would try to get that guy from Carolina as our veteran...what's his name, DeHomey, or Delahouse, or something like that. I think his first name is Jack.

BlackandBlue · 11-11-2005, 05:34 PM

Injuries are definately a concern.

Chicago will have a QB problem this offseason. I'm not completely sold that Grossman would be reinstated as the starter, considering the 1st year performance of Orton. Grossman will see himself as a starter, and bargain for a trade to somewhere he can compete for the starting job. Given his injuries, he wouldn't need to be a long term solution, rather, a stop-gap for our next incumbant.

And do you think that if I had a 53 man roster to play with, I would only have one QB on it?

mjf150 · 11-14-2005, 08:54 AM

I have a good suggestion and when you really think about it, it's not that far fetched: Brett Farve. There are four good reason why it could work. One, he has not played for only one team his entire career, remember Atlanta. Two, Green Bay is trying to usher in Aaron Rogers, while trying to usher out Farve. Three, he still says he wants to continue to play. And, four he would practically spend his final year or two playing at home, while he rebuilds his family's home and the Saints, for that matter. It really isn't out of the range of possibility.

11-11-2005, 04:46 PM	#15
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Please, for the love of all that is holy, no on Rivers. Never understood the fascination, was never all that impressed with the guy, didn't get a good vibe. Ditto for me BandB. I don't see why this guy is so sought after. Doesn't he have awful mechanics? Didn't he have problems with his franchise immediately (months long holdout) ? I don't know, he's never really played, and it seems like people are saying that we should trade all this stuff to get him...
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928

11-11-2005, 04:48 PM	#16
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	Let's try this again. For a moment, let's assume we're gonna develop a new QB - be it A-Mac or a draft pick. Let's also assume we'd trade AB to get some dollar room to work and need to sign a veteran to be our starter and provide stability in the mean time. I feel pretty confident that we'd need to keep Brooks or sign a seasoned veteran in the mean-time. Many of you have suggested QB's that are prime for development, not a veteran that can keep the ship upright while the new guy develops. 8)

11-11-2005, 05:00 PM	#17
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Funky mechanics was one, but he did nothing in my eyes that warranted him going from a 2nd round, possibly early 1st at the end of the college season, to a top-5 pick, based off what he did during workouts and the combine. Grossman has shown me that he can at least compete at this level, to the point, where he would even take full, not part, not a little bit, but FULL responsibility for a loss. Guys like that can play on my team anytime. He's in the NFL- you think the Bears keep him around for ****s and giggles? Don't underestimate Lovie Smith, he is in the process of turning that franchise around. And if Brees has shown that he is not competant enough to carry the Chargers, maybe the whole Rivers argument is a moot point to begin with. Good thing the Chargers DIDN'T take into account all the runningbacks that have come out of TCU over the past 50 years, when they decided to draft LT.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

11-11-2005, 05:31 PM	#18
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	I'd draft Lienart to be my future franchise QB, and in the mean time I would try to get that guy from Carolina as our veteran...what's his name, DeHomey, or Delahouse, or something like that. I think his first name is Jack.
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11-14-2005, 08:54 AM	#20
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 726	I have a good suggestion and when you really think about it, it's not that far fetched: Brett Farve. There are four good reason why it could work. One, he has not played for only one team his entire career, remember Atlanta. Two, Green Bay is trying to usher in Aaron Rogers, while trying to usher out Farve. Three, he still says he wants to continue to play. And, four he would practically spend his final year or two playing at home, while he rebuilds his family's home and the Saints, for that matter. It really isn't out of the range of possibility.
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11-11-2005, 02:58 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Yup... but oh well. That's how the cookie crumbles for us sw. On Shaun King... I'm sorry but I'll definately pass. He had plenty enough shots to prove he could be a starter in the NFL. He got plenty of starts in Tampa and he flat out tanked it. He even had an opportunity to win the Cards starters job but he failed to beat out Josh McCown and John Navarre. He could come here, but as a 2nd or 3rd string quarterback, but definately not a starter.

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11-11-2005, 02:59 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Sorry mjf, but I would pass on King. Even though he went to Tulane, he was riding a very strong D when Tampa was in the NFC champ game, kinda like Baltimore did with Dilfer. I'd look at Rohan Davey over Shaun King at this point. I do like the point about Brees over Rivers though, and that would be my choice as well.

11-11-2005, 03:14 PM	#13
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	Hmm... mjf150 may have been the only one, so far, to fully understand the question. Thanks for your responses. 8)

11-11-2005, 04:09 PM	#14
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Please, for the love of all that is holy, no on Rivers. Never understood the fascination, was never all that impressed with the guy, didn't get a good vibe. I would rather try to work a deal with Chicago after the season is over with to obtain either Orton or Grossman. I know, Grossman has hardly played a down, but in my opinion, he scores out higher than Rivers.

11-11-2005, 05:34 PM	#19
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Injuries are definately a concern. Chicago will have a QB problem this offseason. I'm not completely sold that Grossman would be reinstated as the starter, considering the 1st year performance of Orton. Grossman will see himself as a starter, and bargain for a trade to somewhere he can compete for the starting job. Given his injuries, he wouldn't need to be a long term solution, rather, a stop-gap for our next incumbant. And do you think that if I had a 53 man roster to play with, I would only have one QB on it?