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Originally Posted by TheGambler
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Originally Posted by Saint_LB
Let me start out by saying that this record he broke was not that big of a deal. People like Archie more because of the quality person he is, and not so much because of the numbers he put up. Many, many QB's have thrown more TD's in there career than Archie. Many people forget that Archie missed more than one complete season because of a shoulder injury, and many thought he would never return. I read somewhere that at one point in time he couldn't even raise his arm to comb his hair. If I remember correctly, he had to have a groove cut out in his shoulder for the nerve to sit in, and it had to be done twice before they got it right. I think it was by the same Dr. that Tommy John had.(The surgery that is now called Tommy John surgery) His back-up QB's got way, way more playing time than any back-up to AB has ever gotten.
I am not proud. I don't like AB. I think he may be part of the problem with the Saints today. AB does not have the demeanor of a person I can be proud of. I also don't think he deserves the record. He has been given more slack than any QB in the history of the NFL in my recollection. It is almost like he was given the opportunity to break these records despite himself. It is not the first record of Archie's that he has broken, however. Archie's record for yards thrown backwards to his own offensive lineman was 0. AB shattered that record and nobody said a word. :D
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Not that big of a deal??? Brooks broke the record in 82 games, whereas Manning played in 135 games for the Saints. That's a 53 game difference.
And before you say "well things were different in Archie's day"........the I have to ask: Why didn't Hebert get it, or at least get real close? Hebert played in 78 games for the Saints, and threw 85 TDs (31 TDs short of the record). Would Hebert have eventually gotten it? Sure he would have, if he'd played for a few more seasons. But 78 games compared to 82 games shows me that both guys had roughly the same amount of time to work with (Bobbie would have had to average roughly 8 TD passes a game in those 4 extra games that Brooks has on him), and in the end, the accomplishments and accolades go to Aaron Brooks.
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It would have been a big deal if he had played for someone like say Denver or Miami. Breaking Elway's record or Marino, or someone similar, would have been a huge deal. What I mean by it "not being a big deal" is that we have never had a "hall-of-fame" QB with those sort of stats, so breaking the record is not that tremendous of an accomplishment.
As far as Hebert goes, he played during the Mora regime, and their philosophy was 3 yds. and a cloud of dust. They rarely threw the ball deeper than necessary to pick up the first down.
If you remember, we were usually in most of those games, and it was not necessary for us to change our game plan, so, even in the 4th qtr. we were able to play a ball control offense, usually just needing a FG or a TD to go ahead or tie. A lot of AB's stats came in the 4th qtr. when teams were far ahead of us and playing prevent to keep us from putting instant points on the board.
I guess the question I would pose to you is this. If AB is such a great QB, then why does he have so many people calling for his replacement? Is it your contention that all of these people are wrong, and only a handful of people can see the real talent, or is it the other way around?
Is it possible that most people can see the raw talent, but have also seen that he has not been able to use that talent because of certain bad habits he can't seem to shake, and most people are tired of waiting and have given up on him? I contend that it is the latter, and if he were as great as a few people around here say he is, then he would not be on the hot seat as he seems to be now. I also contend that if he had handled his ego better, that he would have more fans.
Like I have said before, if it were the team around him, and not him, then I would think that the AB supporters would welcome the opportunity for him to go somewhere else and show us how wrong we were about him.