At least I enjoyed ........

Tobias-Reiper · 12-04-2005, 04:05 PM

Defense!!!! Only TD allowed off the turnover inside their own territory... no points off turnovers after that and oly 3 points besides that...

Stecker: Stecker seems to make a big play every game, plus he seems to have it for KO returns..

Zack: throw him a ball in front of him, for crying out loud!!!

RDOX · 12-04-2005, 04:15 PM

There is no positive side. The good job that the defense did was foiled at every turned by a halfwitted dud who can't look over a defense and make the right reads. We should have won this game. The one and ONLY one who lost it for us was named BROOKs, AARON aka Fumbles the Clown.

gandhi1007 · 12-04-2005, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by RDOX

The one and ONLY one who lost it for us was named BROOKs, AARON aka Fumbles the Clown.

Agreed. Once again, Brooks has single handedly killed the Saints! Kudos to the defense in this game. Considering the whole game, the only way they could have played better is if Brooks were playing QB for the Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tobias-Reiper · 12-04-2005, 11:29 PM

... well, in retrospect, I can't believe I used the word "positive"... it should've read "..at least I enjoyed..."

.. any mods who can change my title to "at least I enjoyed..." Please?? Pretty please?????

LordOfEntropy · 12-05-2005, 02:00 AM

Did the defense look better this game? Possibly. But... let's not suck each others d***s just yet. We must remember that the Bucs are not exactly known for having a Colts style power offense.

I still think Venturi needs to go.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-05-2005, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

... well, in retrospect, I can't believe I used the word "positive"... it should've read "..at least I enjoyed..."

.. any mods who can change my title to "at least I enjoyed..." Please?? Pretty please?????

Bless your heart

ScottyRo · 12-05-2005, 08:30 AM

Is the D really as good as its ranking? Absolutely not, but they might be playing better than in the past couple of years. Had we tied the game with 2 mins to go I seriously doubt that the D could have kept TB out of FG range. The offense is just playing so bad this year that other teams are not needing to score as much as in the past. Thus, better D stats.

I was just thinking that even though I liked what was being said when Haz hired sheppard as OC, it may not have been the best choice. I can't really pinpoint anything that is completely wrong with him as OC like I could with McCarthy, but obviously the unit is not producing as it should. Perhaps a REAL OC would have made a difference. Of course, the same can be said about the DC.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-05-2005, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

Did the defense look better this game? Possibly. But... let's not suck each others d***s just yet. We must remember that the Bucs are not exactly known for having a Colts style power offense.

I still think Venturi needs to go.

.. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'd like to point out that prior to the Bears game, the Bucs scored 36 on Washington and 30 on Atlanta with Chris Simms at QB... so yes, while I agree with you in that Venturi needs to go, the defense is not "there" yet, and that we should not engage in any type of unnatural acts

, I still enjoyed the play of the defense.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-05-2005, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

Is the D really as good as its ranking? Absolutely not, but they might be playing better than in the past couple of years. Had we tied the game with 2 mins to go I seriously doubt that the D could have kept TB out of FG range. The offense is just playing so bad this year that other teams are not needing to score as much as in the past. Thus, better D stats.

I was just thinking that even though I liked what was being said when Haz hired sheppard as OC, it may not have been the best choice. I can't really pinpoint anything that is completely wrong with him as OC like I could with McCarthy, but obviously the unit is not producing as it should. Perhaps a REAL OC would have made a difference. Of course, the same can be said about the DC.

I don't really care much about rankings because they are just averages and averages rarely tell the whole story, but why not???

And why you doubt they would've stopped the Bucs with 2 minutes to go? The pretty much stopped them the whole game...they faced 3 turnovers by the offense (not counting the last one because the Bucs basically kneeled down on that one) and the Bucs could only capitalize on one!! After that, they only gave up one field goal.I just don't understand why you insist on not giving ANY credit to the defense... I'm not saying praise, just some credit...Yes they have problems and yes Venturi needs to go, but come on!! They ARE playing better this year. MAtter of fact, if you consider how horrible the offense is playing, I would say they're playing much better than in year's past

As for Sheppard, he's trying to run an offense with half of the playbook Mccarthy left behind, and even using the dumbed-down ..er.. "simplified" version, he doesn't have a QB who can run it...

LordOfEntropy · 12-05-2005, 11:10 AM

They scored 30 on ATL? Really? I didn't know that. 36 on Washington? Perhaps our defense is playing a little better than I realized. But it's hard for me to take a solid position on it, though, as the games aren't being televised up here.

Interesting.

12-04-2005, 04:05 PM	#1
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	At least I enjoyed ........ Defense!!!! Only TD allowed off the turnover inside their own territory... no points off turnovers after that and oly 3 points besides that... Stecker: Stecker seems to make a big play every game, plus he seems to have it for KO returns.. Zack: throw him a ball in front of him, for crying out loud!!!

12-04-2005, 04:15 PM	#2
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	RE: ... on a positive side... There is no positive side. The good job that the defense did was foiled at every turned by a halfwitted dud who can't look over a defense and make the right reads. We should have won this game. The one and ONLY one who lost it for us was named BROOKs, AARON aka Fumbles the Clown.
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12-04-2005, 04:28 PM	#3
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: RE: ... on a positive side... Originally Posted by RDOX The one and ONLY one who lost it for us was named BROOKs, AARON aka Fumbles the Clown. Agreed. Once again, Brooks has single handedly killed the Saints! Kudos to the defense in this game. Considering the whole game, the only way they could have played better is if Brooks were playing QB for the Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	RE: Re: RE: ... on a positive side... ... well, in retrospect, I can't believe I used the word "positive"... it should've read "..at least I enjoyed..." .. any mods who can change my title to "at least I enjoyed..." Please?? Pretty please?????

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LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	RE: Re: RE: ... on a positive side... Did the defense look better this game? Possibly. But... let's not suck each others d***s just yet. We must remember that the Bucs are not exactly known for having a Colts style power offense. I still think Venturi needs to go.

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12-05-2005, 08:24 AM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: ... on a positive side... Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper ... well, in retrospect, I can't believe I used the word "positive"... it should've read "..at least I enjoyed..." .. any mods who can change my title to "at least I enjoyed..." Please?? Pretty please????? Bless your heart

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ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	RE: Re: RE: ... on a positive side... Is the D really as good as its ranking? Absolutely not, but they might be playing better than in the past couple of years. Had we tied the game with 2 mins to go I seriously doubt that the D could have kept TB out of FG range. The offense is just playing so bad this year that other teams are not needing to score as much as in the past. Thus, better D stats. I was just thinking that even though I liked what was being said when Haz hired sheppard as OC, it may not have been the best choice. I can't really pinpoint anything that is completely wrong with him as OC like I could with McCarthy, but obviously the unit is not producing as it should. Perhaps a REAL OC would have made a difference. Of course, the same can be said about the DC.

12-05-2005, 08:31 AM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: ... on a positive side... Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy Did the defense look better this game? Possibly. But... let's not suck each others d***s just yet. We must remember that the Bucs are not exactly known for having a Colts style power offense. I still think Venturi needs to go. .. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'd like to point out that prior to the Bears game, the Bucs scored 36 on Washington and 30 on Atlanta with Chris Simms at QB... so yes, while I agree with you in that Venturi needs to go, the defense is not "there" yet, and that we should not engage in any type of unnatural acts , I still enjoyed the play of the defense.

12-05-2005, 08:47 AM	#9
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: ... on a positive side... Originally Posted by ScottyRo Is the D really as good as its ranking? Absolutely not, but they might be playing better than in the past couple of years. Had we tied the game with 2 mins to go I seriously doubt that the D could have kept TB out of FG range. The offense is just playing so bad this year that other teams are not needing to score as much as in the past. Thus, better D stats. I was just thinking that even though I liked what was being said when Haz hired sheppard as OC, it may not have been the best choice. I can't really pinpoint anything that is completely wrong with him as OC like I could with McCarthy, but obviously the unit is not producing as it should. Perhaps a REAL OC would have made a difference. Of course, the same can be said about the DC. I don't really care much about rankings because they are just averages and averages rarely tell the whole story, but why not??? And why you doubt they would've stopped the Bucs with 2 minutes to go? The pretty much stopped them the whole game...they faced 3 turnovers by the offense (not counting the last one because the Bucs basically kneeled down on that one) and the Bucs could only capitalize on one!! After that, they only gave up one field goal.I just don't understand why you insist on not giving ANY credit to the defense... I'm not saying praise, just some credit...Yes they have problems and yes Venturi needs to go, but come on!! They ARE playing better this year. MAtter of fact, if you consider how horrible the offense is playing, I would say they're playing much better than in year's past As for Sheppard, he's trying to run an offense with half of the playbook Mccarthy left behind, and even using the dumbed-down ..er.. "simplified" version, he doesn't have a QB who can run it...
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12-05-2005, 11:10 AM	#10
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: ... on a positive side... They scored 30 on ATL? Really? I didn't know that. 36 on Washington? Perhaps our defense is playing a little better than I realized. But it's hard for me to take a solid position on it, though, as the games aren't being televised up here. Interesting.