McCombs can't keep his cake hole shut

saintz08 · 12-29-2005, 02:26 PM

McCombs likes city's chances to gain owners' Saints votes

Former Minnesota Vikings owner B.J. "Red" McCombs predicted Wednesday that Tom Benson's fellow NFL owners would recommend to league commissioner Paul Tagliabue that the New Orleans Saints relocate permanently to San Antonio.

"It's just common sense," McCombs said. "All of these owners are going to be facing the same thing someday, one way or another, with their own franchises. They will be facing transfer, possible relocation, a number of these same issues Benson faces, and they will be reluctant to keep a guy from doing what he wants to do with his franchise.

"(San Antonio) is in a very good position. The situation is complicated, but the bottom line is Benson wants to come here. That's the key."

McCombs, who has maintained relationships with several owners since selling the Vikings in the offseason, said the Saints represent the city's best chance to gain an NFL franchise and praised city leaders for pursuing them.

"I don't have any doubt now it will come to pass," McCombs said when asked if he thought the Saints would stay. "The mayor (Phil Hardberger) is on board to make something happen, and (Greater San Antonio Chamber of Commerce chairman) John Montford and (former San Antonio mayor) Henry Cisneros and other people that know how to make things happen are serious about it."

Tagliabue will meet with Benson and the Saints' players Friday in San Antonio, a league spokesman said. No meetings are planned with city leaders, including Hardberger, who recently suggested that Benson go to court to keep Tagliabue from returning the Saints to Louisiana.

McCombs, who backed Hardberger in the general election for mayor in May and in a two-man runoff in June, said a lawsuit wouldn't be necessary because Benson's fellow owners don't want the league telling them where they could play if a natural or manmade disaster forced their teams to relocate.

The owners also understand the Saints have a better chance to generate revenue in San Antonio than they would in New Orleans or Baton Rouge, La., said McCombs, the Vikings' owner for seven seasons.

"I can understand the mayor saying that because of his frustration. ... but I don't think Benson will have any need for all of that," McCombs said of the Saints considering legal action.

Tagliabue repeatedly has said he wants the Saints to return to Louisiana and join the league in efforts to help the Gulf South recover from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. San Antonio, Tagliabue has said, is a small market and not a candidate for relocation or expansion.

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newshound · 12-29-2005, 03:02 PM

Yes I said this before, I don't think they can stop him, I agree that there is probably a lot of politics going on and that Benson will probably get approval to go... when that will be I don't know.
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Alls I know is he doesn't want to be here and we have to try to keep the name and logo. I think the State should put up a huge legal fight and allow Benson to go but try to get back the money he got from the State because they may be able to prove he negotiated initially in bad faith. That will be very hard to do but there are harder cases that have been tried and won. The settlement would be ok let Benson go with our money, but we are guarenteed the next expansion franchise.

Which brings us back to the Los Angeles issue. How Benson will get his club to San Antonio before LA is a clue to me. I thought that LA was a complete lock for the next team. There are still a lot of things working against old diaper pants Benson.

jrmllb · 12-29-2005, 03:08 PM

If he wants to move why is he (Benson) not trying to get moved to LA? Its a bigger market, the league wants a team there

newshound · 12-29-2005, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by jrmllb

If he wants to move why is he (Benson) not trying to get moved to LA? Its a bigger market, the league wants a team there

Because he has a lot of ties to San Antonio from his car dealerships and all of his best friends live there including Red McCombs. Also, Los Angeles for being such a huge market has practically strangled at least 2 or 3 major league franchises. The Rams were taxed to death and raped and couldn't fill the stadium if they wanted to. The Raiders moved there and had to move back for practically the same reasons.

I lived there for a while and the the city and county governments want the NFL to pay for everything including the cost of a new stadium and the teams revenue like consessions would almost entirely go to the city, county and state either in whole or through tax. My experience living there for a year and a half was tax, tax, tax, tax. I was paid about 2 times what I get paid now, but it cost 3 times what it does to live anywhere in most of the US, not just down south.

Benson has pretty much said that the reason why the Saints stayed in New Orleans in the first place was because no other business leaders in NO would put up cash for the team so he looked to San Antonio investors, which was true. So at one point many of the minority owners of the Saints were almost exclusively friends of Benson's in the car dealership business who put up cash from San Antonio. At that time SA was not an NFL market and it has grown but it's not gigantic like they sometimes claim to be. It is a nice place though, a little bland for me, but cool town.

CheramieIII · 12-29-2005, 04:14 PM

This kinda **** makes me sick to my stomach. McCombs is just pissed that he sold his team and I really believe that him and Countdipstick are booty brothers, if you know what I mean. Maybe that's why Benson isn't saying too much, because his mouth is full most of the time.

jrmllb · 12-29-2005, 04:48 PM

Prediciton: Benson is gonaa end up in litigation I am convinced...After spending next season in litigation the team will fall apart...Saints play their last home game in NO in season finale

Tobias-Reiper · 12-29-2005, 07:35 PM

... if you look at it from the other owners' persepctive, if they are going to accept a move out of New Orleans, they'd want the team in Los Angeles, becuse that'd be in the best financial interest of the NFL, and not San Antonio... so, the way I see it, it is 2 fights Benson has to win..

12-29-2005, 02:26 PM	#1
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	McCombs can't keep his cake hole shut McCombs likes city's chances to gain owners' Saints votes Former Minnesota Vikings owner B.J. "Red" McCombs predicted Wednesday that Tom Benson's fellow NFL owners would recommend to league commissioner Paul Tagliabue that the New Orleans Saints relocate permanently to San Antonio. "It's just common sense," McCombs said. "All of these owners are going to be facing the same thing someday, one way or another, with their own franchises. They will be facing transfer, possible relocation, a number of these same issues Benson faces, and they will be reluctant to keep a guy from doing what he wants to do with his franchise. "(San Antonio) is in a very good position. The situation is complicated, but the bottom line is Benson wants to come here. That's the key." McCombs, who has maintained relationships with several owners since selling the Vikings in the offseason, said the Saints represent the city's best chance to gain an NFL franchise and praised city leaders for pursuing them. "I don't have any doubt now it will come to pass," McCombs said when asked if he thought the Saints would stay. "The mayor (Phil Hardberger) is on board to make something happen, and (Greater San Antonio Chamber of Commerce chairman) John Montford and (former San Antonio mayor) Henry Cisneros and other people that know how to make things happen are serious about it." Tagliabue will meet with Benson and the Saints' players Friday in San Antonio, a league spokesman said. No meetings are planned with city leaders, including Hardberger, who recently suggested that Benson go to court to keep Tagliabue from returning the Saints to Louisiana. McCombs, who backed Hardberger in the general election for mayor in May and in a two-man runoff in June, said a lawsuit wouldn't be necessary because Benson's fellow owners don't want the league telling them where they could play if a natural or manmade disaster forced their teams to relocate. The owners also understand the Saints have a better chance to generate revenue in San Antonio than they would in New Orleans or Baton Rouge, La., said McCombs, the Vikings' owner for seven seasons. "I can understand the mayor saying that because of his frustration. ... but I don't think Benson will have any need for all of that," McCombs said of the Saints considering legal action. Tagliabue repeatedly has said he wants the Saints to return to Louisiana and join the league in efforts to help the Gulf South recover from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. San Antonio, Tagliabue has said, is a small market and not a candidate for relocation or expansion. For more : http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s....17a0d226.html
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12-29-2005, 03:02 PM	#2
newshound Saints/LSU Fan! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 115	RE: McCombs can Yes I said this before, I don't think they can stop him, I agree that there is probably a lot of politics going on and that Benson will probably get approval to go... when that will be I don't know. ut Alls I know is he doesn't want to be here and we have to try to keep the name and logo. I think the State should put up a huge legal fight and allow Benson to go but try to get back the money he got from the State because they may be able to prove he negotiated initially in bad faith. That will be very hard to do but there are harder cases that have been tried and won. The settlement would be ok let Benson go with our money, but we are guarenteed the next expansion franchise. Which brings us back to the Los Angeles issue. How Benson will get his club to San Antonio before LA is a clue to me. I thought that LA was a complete lock for the next team. There are still a lot of things working against old diaper pants Benson.

12-29-2005, 03:08 PM	#3
jrmllb 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Posts: 665	RE: McCombs can If he wants to move why is he (Benson) not trying to get moved to LA? Its a bigger market, the league wants a team there

12-29-2005, 03:36 PM	#4
newshound Saints/LSU Fan! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 115	Re: RE: McCombs can Originally Posted by jrmllb If he wants to move why is he (Benson) not trying to get moved to LA? Its a bigger market, the league wants a team there Because he has a lot of ties to San Antonio from his car dealerships and all of his best friends live there including Red McCombs. Also, Los Angeles for being such a huge market has practically strangled at least 2 or 3 major league franchises. The Rams were taxed to death and raped and couldn't fill the stadium if they wanted to. The Raiders moved there and had to move back for practically the same reasons. I lived there for a while and the the city and county governments want the NFL to pay for everything including the cost of a new stadium and the teams revenue like consessions would almost entirely go to the city, county and state either in whole or through tax. My experience living there for a year and a half was tax, tax, tax, tax. I was paid about 2 times what I get paid now, but it cost 3 times what it does to live anywhere in most of the US, not just down south. Benson has pretty much said that the reason why the Saints stayed in New Orleans in the first place was because no other business leaders in NO would put up cash for the team so he looked to San Antonio investors, which was true. So at one point many of the minority owners of the Saints were almost exclusively friends of Benson's in the car dealership business who put up cash from San Antonio. At that time SA was not an NFL market and it has grown but it's not gigantic like they sometimes claim to be. It is a nice place though, a little bland for me, but cool town.

12-29-2005, 04:14 PM	#5
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	RE: Re: RE: McCombs can This kinda **** makes me sick to my stomach. McCombs is just pissed that he sold his team and I really believe that him and Countdipstick are booty brothers, if you know what I mean. Maybe that's why Benson isn't saying too much, because his mouth is full most of the time.

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12-29-2005, 04:48 PM	#6
jrmllb 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Posts: 665	RE: Re: RE: McCombs can Prediciton: Benson is gonaa end up in litigation I am convinced...After spending next season in litigation the team will fall apart...Saints play their last home game in NO in season finale

12-29-2005, 07:35 PM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	... if you look at it from the other owners' persepctive, if they are going to accept a move out of New Orleans, they'd want the team in Los Angeles, becuse that'd be in the best financial interest of the NFL, and not San Antonio... so, the way I see it, it is 2 fights Benson has to win..