I agree cut the guy some slack...if LSU had not been able to stop Danny white two years ago one of our guys would have said I think we had the better team, and we all would have thought he was right...

Whoever the person was on this site that said he's too "raw" is also jsut regurgitating some column he read on profootball.com...VY is the real deal...Lead the nation in passing effeciency...That's not a misprint folks

I am not sure we should draft him if he comes out though...We alrady have a great running qb that has a very accurate arm in A-Mac...Look at his stats I think A-Mac is very close to what we see with Young...I say we trade down a spot or two and take D'Brick to shore up the O-Line or take AJ Hawk in the first round

Uh??? Adrian played in how many games? How many national championships?

Hey, I like Adrian, but he's not Young.

So he was in their looker room congratulating Longhorns after the game? I didn't know that, but I'm glad to hear it.

Whatever happens, no matter how me manage to screw up the draft, that was a great game to watch. Helluva game.

Um, and Vince Young was making the Heisman pose after the game? Huh? Leinart said they couldn't get a stop when they needed it. What part was untrue?

Mr. Zero Class went into the locker room and congratulated the Longhorns on the win. Worthy of Aaron Brooks? Okay. The guy has a Heisman and 1.5 national titles, and is regarded as the best College QB of all time, as opposed to an average chump who has done NTOHING at any level. Come off it.

I'm more impressed with what LenDale White did against the Texas D than what Leinart did... Throwing floaters to 6''5" WR's and hand the ball to White or Bush, I don't think that's very impressive.

As for Young, like you said before, "body of work".. this guy carried this Texas team through and through the whole season and showed up huge in the biggest game... maybe his body of work this year was overshadowed by the media, since it was "USC all the time" since the summer.

What a load of crap. Not liking the guy is one thing, blatantly making stuff up is another. In the second half, on the first two scoring drives, Leinart's passing put them in range for White to make TD runs from inside the 10. On the third drive it was all the running game. On the fourth drive it was all Leinart's arm. At one point in the second half, he was 14/15 with 182 yards and a TD. Get real. On the game he was 29-40, for 365 yards 1 TD 1 INT against UT's defense. Yeah he blows. :roll:

Whodi, I'm not saying he blows, not at all... I'm just saying he is not that impressive a QB considering what he's got around him.

You have to admit, he's got a weak arm,a nd seems lil' fragile. He has to put a lot on a throw to go 30+yards.

As for stats, I can bring up Chris Weinke's stats, or Torretta's for that matter :) , whose Hurricanes went undefeated for 2 seasons...

I may very well be wrong, but my feel is that he is not going to be very good in the NFL.

That's an understatement. :P

We'll see.

TR, I think you have a very valid point. We need to think carefully before drafting a guy whose limitations might make him a bad value at #2.

I was thinking about the "body of work" argument this morning and don't think I understand it either.

Leinert had 1 loss this season and posted these numbers.
283 completions on 431 attemtpts for a percentage of 65.7.
He threw for 3815 yards, 28 TD's and 8 picks.

Jason White in 2004 had 1 loss.
255 completions on 390 attempts for a percentage of 65.4.
He threw for 3205 yards, 35 TD's and 9 picks.

Both guys had a highly successful body of work with comparable numbers and very few losses. Both guys were supposed to be really smart and both had questionable arm strength and mobility.
Both guys had durability concerns.
Both guys had a super talented supporting cast.
But 1 guy is worth the 2nd overall pick and the other shouldn't even be a backup in the pros?

I'm not sure I get this. Leinert seems to be like White with more ego and media love. When I was looking at Leinert last night, I just don't see a substantial difference from White.

Now I'm not saying that we should take Vince Young either. (Even though I disagree with comparing him to Vick.) I just can't justify making an enormous financial investment in Leinert at #2.

A BODY OF WORK, is more than just one season. Did you compare Leinart in 2003, 2004 and 2005 and opposed to White for one year? Doesn't seem like it. So that does not come close to a body of work. Fact is, he has been the best QB in college footballf or three straight years, White didn't do that. OU also had a better defense than USC. White also had TWO knee surgeries, thaty made him pretty much immobile. Another faulty comparison. When will it end?

Right whodi....how fast people forget.....
Leinart is great....

TR I.m not saying A-Mac and VY are equals by record, obviously...I am just saying he has similar potential to be a double threat in the backfield...I don't see the value of going out and spending a ton of money in the draft for a qb right now...I think we should draft OL, LB, or DL

Damn Whodi, the only reason he would have gone to the Texas locker room after he acted STUPID on national television was because of a call from his agent or his Dad telling him he better do something to make up for those STUPID comments he made.

You guys are always talking about links, where is the link that tells us he even went to the Texas locker room or is it just heresay.

Vince Young single handedly beat USC last night, Leinhart made some big mistakes in the big game, as did Bush. USC has alot more offensive weapons than Texas did, BUT FACE IT THEY GOT BEAT IN THE BIG GAME.

Certainly you can't think that USC had any competition at all last year for that national title and the BCS did not have them ranked number one the year before, so that AP shiiiiitttt don't fly with me.

I am not saying that Leinhart or Bush or USC for that matter are crap, what I am saying is that if you look at the game last night and "bodies of work", as you call it for Leinhart and Young, you would be stupid to draft anyone ahead of Young. If Young doesn't come out, you know he will win the national championship and Heisman next year. So I guess at the point you will have no choice but to admit Young is superior to Leinhart and don't worry about it I will remind you next year.

and whats the brace on Leinhart's leg anyway??????????????

First Cher, just wow. I don't even know where to start. Do you even know what Leinart said? Obviously not. Go read the nearly flawless thread. It's in bold. It's not nearly as bad as people wanna make it seem. Next, they reported in the post game he and Bush went to the Longhowns locker room to congratulate them. No, it can't be cause they are class guys, it's cause their agents(which none have) or their dads(who were int he stands, and last I checked players didn't have cellphones in their uniforms? told them to? Are you serious?

A) Who doubted Vince Young won the game? B) What BIG mistakes did Leinart make? HE threw an INT that was just a great play by the DB. In the second half, he wa snear perfect. Please. As far as offensive weapons go, yup USC has more, but Texas has a WAY WAY WAY better defense, so what is your point? They got beat. I wonder if that's ever happened before.

Didn't have any competition? OU and Auburn must have been undefeated for nothing. Yikes.
Actually, if you looked at the bodies of work, it would make anyone an idiot for not taking Leinart. Leinart, dominant for 3 years, Young, dominant for close to two. Bush, dominant for the last two. Nice one.

Why would I have to admit that? Young ISN'T superior to Leinart. And it isn't a given he will win another national title and win the Heisman. Heard of Brady Quinn? Heard of Marcus Vick? Heard of LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State? Sorry, I am not buying your crystal ball approach to assessing Young. Leinart is the better QB, Young is the better athlete. Right now, that's how it is.

I've been reading for weeks upon months and i have to break my silence finally w/all of this QB talk.

Whodi i respect your opinions but i have to disagree w/your assessment of Leinart. While I think he's the best QB in the draft, I don't think he's overwhelmingly better than, say a Jay Cutler or Brady Quinn, Quinn actually being a QB that Mel Kiper has rated better than Leinart. We all know that Quinn isn't coming out, so that doesn't matter. Cutler strikes me as being close in talent to Leinart, but not better. Put Cutler on USC and I think he puts up similar numbers

Leinart just wouldn't be a good fit for the Saints, and I say that based on where he's coming from. He will be coming from a college team that lost 2 games in his entire starting career to a team that will probably lose 12 games next year. Judging from last night, he doesn't seem to take losing very well. He's not a Peyton Manning that talks about things he needs to work on or what he could have done differently. He came across as a sore loser. He went straight to saying how the defense couldn't stop Texas and deflected blame from himself, almost like Aaron Brooks in a sense. OK he went to the locker room to congratulate Texas. I would't be willing to excuse his earlier comments for that. Young seems like he'd be a much better fit. While not as talented as a passer(despite his superior efficiency rating)his psyche seems to be more well prepared to put a team on his shoulders when they are down. People can't make light of the fact that Leinart has one of the best supporting casts ever in college football.

GT, to an extent, I agree with you. I didn't like the comments he made either, but they weren't earth shattering. They COULDN'T stop them when they needed to. Case closed. He told it like it was. Like I said before, how that compares to a garbage QB who has never won anything say "I am a GREAT QB on a struggling, inconsistent team" someone needs to explain to me. I don't see that at all. What I see is a confident guy, who hates losing, get a camera shoved in his face right after he lost his first game in almost 3 years. He showed the proper class in going to the other locker room, as the leader of his team, and congratulating Texas. I wonder if anyoen can find one article with any USC player having a problem with what he said. I'dd be waiting for that.

And where did you see Kiper rate Quinn better than Leinart? He has Leinert, his own words, rated as one of his highest QBs ever, and ahead of Eli Manning and Carson Palmer. So Brady Quinn is rating higher than that? I dunno about that. Although I do think Quinn will be VERY good, he's not coming out this year. Leinart knows he's not gonna be able to go to the Colts, caus ethat's how the draft usually works. The sucky teams get to pick the best players. It has been in place forever, so for him to sulk about going from a winning program to a losing one in the NFL, he must not have followed the pro draft at all in his life. That's how it goes. I am sure he was ready for it. If he went to the Texans or to the Jets or to the Lions, or to the Titans, it would be the same losing team. Why are we any different?

Hey whodi....i absoutely agree w/Leinart's assessment of the game. The D couldn't stop Texas. The point is I think there are places where a QB can't go, and things he can't say. A QB talking about the D's shortcomings is one of those. If he were to say something like that being the QB of the Saints next year, Will Smith's probably gonna rip his head off. It just struck me as similar to Aaron Brooks in the sense that he was deflecting blame. Not that he did anything to lose the game for USC, but I would prefer a QB that would take accountability for the losses REGARDLESS of if any of it could be directly attributed to him.

I actually heard Kiper talking about how high he was on Quinn on the Dan Patrick show on the radio. I don't have the link, so you can disregard it.

You have to admit that coming to N.O. would set a precedent for a first round pick this year. No one has ever had to concern themselves about the overall stability of a franchise to this degree, with all the L.A. talk. That combined with the fact that N.O. is as abysmal or more than all of those teams you named, would suggest that if some high profile draft pick will hold out on a team, it will be ours.

It may be a moot point. After Young's Rose Bowl performance we might be looking at Bush at number two. No way we pass up on him. Line him up in the backfield or put him in the slot. Lets get Omar Jacobs in the second. I think we'd be in much better shape that way.

I don't know bro. A lot of you guys I normally agree with, we are so far apart on this one it's almost unbelievable. I guess I will just wait to see what happens between now and the draft, to see how things shake out. It's clear who I want, unless an obviously better situation presents itself, I am not gonna change that. And you guys seem pretty set, so we'll just have to see.

OMG Yall are abunch of stupids lol Leinart haters i cant believe this HELLO you are telling me young will be better than Leinart HA i laugh in your face and the Leinart slipping !!!! HAHAHA Unbelievable you freakin ppl ......

LEINART is a BETTER QB HANDS DOWN !!!! HANDS DOWN I tell you what i can promise this Yougn goes in the Draft Leinart will be the first to go you cant call 1 game on a guy and say thats how he is..... i tihnk its stupid wat some of you ppl are saying OMG i just cant believe that !!!! YOU WOULD TAKE YOUNG OVER LEINART !!!! OMG !!!!!

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Was reported by Dan Patrick, on the Dan Patrick show. Now, I'm no mindreader, but I'm willing to bet that Dan wouldn't put his name out there like that, on national radio, unless it was true. There are some journalists that make statements on air, that I tend to believe, because of their reputation.

Saintswhodi, I'm with you 100% on this. Been on the road for most of the day, so I've had a chance to listen to alot of radio. Despite Young's performance being heralded as one of the greatest in college football history (and deservedly so), many people from Kiper, to Patrick, to Olberman, to Terry Bowden, to Mike & Mike....all had praise for Leinart's performance last night. So where is all this hate coming from?

Vince Young had a marvelous game against a piss poor tackling defense & less than average secondary (not to mention the job done by his awesome offensive line-He could have played chess with himself back there). NFL defenses are a whole new ballgame. They will rush & contain. They are way bigger, stronger, & faster than the defense Young faced last night. I just don't see him doing those type of things against NFL defenses. He won't have that kind of time in the pocket nor will he be able to break away from fast NFL defenses. If anything, if he plays the way he has played in college in the pros, he can look forward to an injury filled career. I'm sorry, but when I watch him I see a faster Daunte Culpepper. I'm not knocking the guy-he's very good. But, I hope he convinced the Texans enough to draft him #1, leaving Reggie Bush or even Leinhart for us at #2. Hell, A.J. Hawk would be great there too!!!!!!!!!

vince young is being said to favor montana, he's right now better than vick, he's right now 10 hands down better than leinart and is still growing and getting better. he was the best qb on the field last night period. leinart couldn't read the defense, his throws were off by leaps and bounds and he's been the qb for 3years vince you would think by the way he played was the long time vet. and in case you didn't know, this wasn't the first time he played that way(v.young) try beating ohio state and michigan again all by him self.

Bingo. Leinart is a great pocket passer, and can show some mobility when he has to. Pocket passers are better in the NFL unless you have Michael Vick speed, which Young doesn't have.

Exactly, he won't be able to do those kinds of things against an NFL defense. Also, his mechanics are awful, and I don't think he can make the throws to beat an NFL defense. And another thing against him being the best QB is that he is supposed to be the dumbest (and most arrogant) football player since Andy Katzenmoyer who couldn't spell C-A-T.

Hey genious, they threw the exact same number of passes. Young completed only one more than Lienart. The difference was how Young ran the ball last night. He won't be doing that in the NFL.

yeah, that's the samething they said about vick, and about cunningham and steve young. vince young showed off his accuarcy looked awsum he did. leinart showed off his underthrows like the one that was picked off. vince young is the legit one not leinart.

ROFLMFAO

Really? Who said that Vick, Cunningham, and Steve Young threw the same amount of passes, and only completed one less than Vince in a championship game? That might be the most confusing statement I have ever read.

OK, except Michael Vick can run sub 4.3 and VY can't. He's also way more elusive than VY.

Cunningham had a great arm and was very accurate. VY has awful mechanics. Cunningham also knew how to read, unlike VY.

Steve Young is one of the greatest passers ever. VY doesn't make great plays through the air, he makes them on the ground. He's been so successful because the option works in college because players aren't fast enough to stop it, but believe me, he won't be running like that in the NFL.

He underthrew one ball, and it still would have been a touchdown if it hadn't been for an AMAZING grab by the Texas defender. And he did throw an interception. But he also threw a touchdown pass, threw for 98 more yards than VY (including 4 more yards per completion), and completed 72.5% of his passes; all of this coming against one of the best defenses in the coutnry. Meanwhile, VY had a decent game through the air with 267 yards and no touchdowns against a mediocre-at-best defense.

We can all agree that most of us disagree. I like these heated debates guys. You can tell everyone here loves DEM SAINTS!!!!!

ain't that what it's all about.

Like to blab D.

GET IT THREW YOUR HEAD ITS COLLEGE !!!

You are wrong in so many ways win win ITS FREAKIN COLLEGE VINCE YOUNG CANT AND WONT BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THAT TO A NFL DEFENCE RUSHING FOR 200 YARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT!!!!! NFL DEFENCES WILL SMACK HIM IN THE FACE....

Yeah Young was the better QB in the game but LEINART HAS LOST ONLY 2 GAMES IN HIS WHOLE CAREER !!!!!!! VINCE YOUNG WILL NOT BE LIKE LEINART IN COLLEGE LEINART IS A BETTER QB ......SURE VINCE YOUNG IS A GREAT ATHELETE BUT LEINART IS A BETTER QB......

do you think by using "caps", it makes you sound right? you have never been more wrong, how many games has v.young lost? ohio state, michigan beat them all. if all he can do is run around then why was he killing them through the air and on the ground?

leinart is classless, a crybaby that's not who i want as the face of my team. vince young is as classy as he is talented. vince young the new orleans saints qb.

Hey Allsaints, are you mad or something? I just had to ask, since you have your caps on so much. Everyone has an opinion and most seem to vary at this point. Everyone respects everyone's views here. I just don't want to see you peel your cap over this debate. If Young stays at Texas next year he will have a chance to go 43 and 2 as a starter, Leinhart was only 37-2. Young will have a chance to win the Heisman and probably will just like Leinhart. Young will also have a chance to win his second national championship. I don't think there was any questions Young was the better QB last night. I was glad to at least see ya admit that.

Keep postin dude, you got the fire!

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Young is not a better QB than Leinart maybe last night but over all nooooo nooooo nooooo....

LEINART CLASSLESS OMG !!!! BECAUSE HE SAID THAT HIS TEAM WAS BETTER WELL DUDE what the crap do you want him to say he has been with his team for 4 years he is sticking up for them you think he would just say "yeah our team pretty much suck" I mean come on get real!!!!!!

Yeah that's what I wanted him to say. No, I wanted him to say we got beat by the better team tonight and not try to blame it on his defense instead. That's all.

"omg" ever hear of taking your hat off to the opponent?? respecting your opponent? classy in victory and defeat ever hear of this? i expect a classy person to conduct himself classy no matter what, no excuses! as the qb, you are the leader of the team and your comments hold the weight of the team behind them. leinart showed he was classless and a crybaby.

Well i didnt find anything crybaby over what he said ...

ppl are taking it out of proportion...

AMEN!!!!

Yep i agree with that statement.