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vince young equals god and reggie bush and leinart are crap. so when vince young was fumbling the ball and having the hell beat out of him against the aggies why wasn't anyone talking about how he sucked. here is why-- it is ONE GAME. same as this one same as that one. i am not sure one way or another on young. but even after that game i still beleive as i did before he would do himself more to go back to school for a year. i still believe leinart is not that good. i still beleive reggie is something special. one game. that is all it was. christ if we evaluated players off of each game manning would suck then be good and brady and you get it.

.. a great part of it is backlash from hearing all year how great USC was and how great Reggie Bush was and how Leinart was the best QB ever in college and how USC was the greatest team ever. It just follows that:
a) people would call out USC, specifically Bush and Leinart, for failing to win one of the biggest games (and THE most hyped game ever) in college football in a long time,.
b) Young has to be elevated to God status since Young beat the Demi-God Trojans. There's no other response to USC losing.

i totally disagree with you..... i believe that VY was a top 5 pick all along but this one game gave him a stage to showcase his talent...everyone know he was talented but he hasnt played in as many big games as leinert n bush have and this game helped him out alot....not that leinert n bush dont deserve to be #1 overall but it just shows that VY belongs up there as well.....

Its not just one game... for some it was the game of there life. It was a HUGE game and you have to perform. Great players don't choose when to be great. What you saw in that game was how Leinart is going to be with the Saints. He isn't going to win big games for us, so instead of putting all our marbles in one bag, I'd rather have Reggie or trade down. If Vince comes out this year then TEXAS will take him, and we should snag Reggie and work on our offensive line and D.

well i have been for busgh all a long and still am. well i guess we will see hwo young fairs in the pros. should be interesting story. i don't think for usc this was the game of their life. for texas yes for usc no. they have won the last two years. they have proven themselves for a long time. thqat does make the win that much bigger for texas though also. i thought texas had a shot in this game anway. texas was a good team all year. big win for them. doesn't mean i think anymore or any less of young though. that is just me. because as a matter of fact all i have heard on here in reference to vick is how he wins. uhoh didn't happen this year. so i guess this is a little more about the team then one player.

Go Vince young.

go to Houston!

Dumb. What about winning 34 straight games including a national championship? He doesn't win big games? Nice try. And why are people acting like Leinart had a bad game? He had a completion percentage of 72.5 and threw for 365 yards and a touchdown against a very good defense. How is that him choking or having a bad game? Let me tell you how, IT'S NOT!!!!!!! He played a great game. His one interception was an absolutely ridiculous play by the Texas defender. So no, Matt Leinart didn't choke or have a bad game, the USC defense had a bad game. If you don't understand that, you're retarded.

I have to admit I have never seen an individual performance like the one VY put up Wed. night. But with that being said I still have a lot more confidence in Linehart on the next level. I can almost gaurantee that at worst Linehart will be a soild starter in the NFL ( most likely probowler).

In the NFL you have to have a deep ball. As good as Young looked in the Rose Bowl game, he never went down field. That worries me.

i believe that was 1 national championship....


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i am not an lsu fan so it doesn't bother me.

It's o.k. We can't all be god's chosen ones!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyway, I'm so tired of the Leinart bashing. This guy is a good quarterback. I heard the same bunch of crap about Tom Brady in 2000. 3 Super Bowls-Enough said!!!!! He played a way tougher defense than Young & really torched them for over 300 yards. He moves well in the pocket when pressure comes & he reads the entire field.

Amen, my man.

On being the chosen ones and on Linehart.

1-2 in big games... a losing record means you're a loser. I didn't see Leinart put the game on his shoulders and win the game that respect goes to Vince Young. Isn't Vince Young 2-0 in Bowl games... WINNER. If ya want Leinart then pass on him and might as well keep Brooks.

euph tell me what makes you think vince is better then matt. i don't care for either but tell me why. i don't want to hear about wins and loses because that was the same crap people gave about vick. you win and lose as a team. so what about him makes him a better qb then matt. notice i said qb not athlete

1-2? What 2 big games has Linehart lost? Where was Vince against OU last year? I know what Linehart did to that same OU D.

nuff said. I tried to say this the other night Pakman and nobody would listen. It was only one national championship.

Vince Young had a game for the ages and everyone has to agree with that. He had the best performance by any college QB in any big game. If you disagree remind us all of a better performance and post a link please. I will say it once again if Young stays at Texas he will more than likely have 2, yes 2 actual national championships, the Heisman, 43-2 record as a starter and eclispe every record Leinhart thought about having.

YOU DO THE MATH. YOU'LL CHOOSE YOUNG.

He maybe a little raw and some would say his mechanics are screwed up, but as BnB pointed out in another thread, he should not change a thing. That's has NFL QB's get screwed up, by the coaches. He is a natural ahlete and does not have to try, he is a natural leader and does not have to pretend.

He will be a better NFL QB than most and everyone knows it. I don't care if he runs more than he throws.

Vince Young beat the man and now VINCE YOUNG IS THE MAN!!!!!!

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Vince Young had a game for the ages and everyone has to agree with that. He had the best performance by any college QB in any big game.


He maybe a little raw and some would say his mechanics are screwed up, but as BnB pointed out in another thread, he should not change a thing. That's has NFL QB's get screwed up, by the coaches. He is a natural ahlete and does not have to try, he is a natural leader and does not have to pretend.

He will be a better NFL QB than most and everyone knows it. I don't care if he runs more than he throws.

Vince Young beat the man and now VINCE YOUNG IS THE MAN!!!!!![/quote]


You said the magic word: COLLEGE!!!! I can't wait to see "The Man" try that BS in the NFL! LB's like Ray Lewis, Lavar Arrington, Brian Urlacher, & Tedy Bruschi (not counting Defensive Linemen) are dying for a QB to try & pull that crap, so they can unload on their butts!!!!

Vince Young is in the same mold as Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper, & Donovan McNabb. They are all exceptional athletes, but they stay hurt alot. And if you look back at the career of Randall Cunningham (the only retired QB on the list), after that big injury, he didn't scramble as well. He had a solid career as a passer (though nothing special), but he was never again the double threat he once was.

We need a Brady, Montana type that will be what he's supposed to be -a QB, not an athlete.You hear: "Well, Leinart doesn't have the strongest arm." I heard the same knock on Peyton Manning & Tom Brady: "Oh, Manning's polished, but Ryan Leaf has a better arm." By the way, where is Leaf now? And, "Brady reads the field well, but I don't think he can throw the deep ball." Bill Bellicheck still savors the fact that everybody overlooked the 3 time Super Bowl champ. When you watch Leinart, he has the same qualities as Brady. I want Bush 1st, but if he's gone, I would be just as happy with Leinart. I think it would be a major mistake by the Saints franchise to draft Vince Young ahead of Matt Leinart.

good post ghandi. good to see your still alive. there was a rumor you died some years back.

I did die, but was reincarnated as a Saints fan. You see, God does have a sense of humor!

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Hey G, it seems you named QB's in your argument that were black and white. What's up with that? It is quite obvious!!!!

Not a Black-White thing at all!!! I could have put Steve Young's name on the list with Cunningham, etc.. But, being Steve Young was the exception to the rule, I would have hurt my own argument. You see, Young stayed healthy most of his HOF career.

you could also add brunell to the list if you wanted to

I could also have added Leftwich w/ Manning & Brady as great pocket passers, but being Leftwich is hurt, that would have hurt my argument as well. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok linbacker you think we need brain over athletic ability. I agree with you. I wonder what happens to Young if he were to play under center? Next year we sell the the farm for Quinn

Thats my thoughts. Draft Hawk and then drop all your games next year and get Quinn. LOL

Alright alright, i can't sit here and take this any longer. I am prolly the biggest Longhorn fan on this site. Family upon family of alumni, including myself, so this should mean a least a lil something. I hate USC, I hate Lienart, and I hate Bush. However, I think Lienart had a really good game, against prolly the nation's roughest defense. He didnt have a great first half, the guy got the crap knocked out of him many times, kept his composure and almost won the game for his team. He IS a great QB, and I beleive he will be a great QB in the NFL. NOW....as for my boy VY. He had an awesome game. The guy just brings something totally different to the table. Leinart was 29-40 for 365, with 1 TD and 1 INT, note that Leinart had a very average 1st half. He also took 3 sacks. Now, by all means, statistically, this is a very good game. Now lets view VY. He was 30-40 for 267 0TD's and 0 INT's. He took no sacks. This is where he brings the other element, the uncontrolled variable if u will.....19 rushs for 200 yds and 3 rushing TD's. Daaaaamn. So yer telling me he has a 75% completion percentage AND a 10.5 yd per rush on 19 rushes???? Cmon now guys. Both will be great quarterbacks, both with go top3 in draft, its just a matter as to who is a better fit for our team. And i have to say VY brings a lil something different. Makes it harder for teams to key in on our strong points. When u have receivers to make u play deep, a backfield who can run over pretty much any linebacker, AND a QB who can pass for alsmot 300 hundred yds and also shake down the defense for 200 yds rushing, yea.....I'll take that one.....


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quinn = overrated!!

kinda like brady huh pak

You know, I've heard something on the radio the other day that makes some sense. All the defenses in our division are designed to stop a running qb. So, why draft one? Also, if you look at all the best running qb's, they are either out for the year or out of the play-offs. Vick, McNabb, Culpepper are either rehabbing or sitting at home for the play-offs. I also feel Lineart is more ploished than young, but I'd take Bush if possible over all of them.

My point exactly!!!! I'm with you all the way on this one Boogro!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

very much like Brady