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SCSaintsFan 01-06-2006 12:02 PM

PFW - RIGHT ON THE $$$$
 
I did see if someone else already posted this or not...

From Pro Football weekly:

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Jim Haslett was fired this week.

Big surprise. Sorry, it’s hard not to be sarcastic when discussing Saints news.

I can’t blame the Saints for letting Haslett go. (That’s the PC way of saying someone was fired, right?)

It’s tough to justify giving a coach, who just wrapped up an awful 3-13 season and hasn't made the playoffs since 2000, a contract extension. Haslett wanted an extension. The stubborn Haslett wasn’t about to stick around and be a lame-duck coach to fulfill the final year of his contract.

No rose-colored lenses could make 3-13 look better even though the Saints were practicing on high school football fields, living out of hotels, lifting weights underneath a circus tent, and being forced out of the Alamodome because of a scheduling conflict with the NCAA Volleyball Championships. (Are you serious? Sadly, yes.)

But firing Haslett won’t cure the sick Saints.

Haslett wasn’t the problem. It’s the two men above him that have the Saints doomed.

No matter who replaces Haslett, TBD head coach will fail because the men guiding the ship � owner Tom Benson and GM Mickey Loomis � form a misguided compass.

Benson openly flirted with San Antonio city officials to move his team there permanently. He even flaunted a pending move. I understand the NFL is a business and that it is Benson’s prerogative to make money, but there is such a thing as common decency (of which Benson apparently has little).

Hurricane Katrina ravaged New Orleans and most of the Gulf Coast. Too many people died. Too many homes and businesses were destroyed. Too many people were displaced. Yet here was Benson doing everything in his power to finagle a move to San Antonio. He fired high-ranking administrators that disagreed with him like Arnold Fielkow, who was let go for suggesting that the Saints should do everything in their power to play their 2005 home games in Louisiana. Fielkow was instrumental in getting the Saints to play four games at LSU’s Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge. But Fielkow paid the price.

That’s cold.

So let me be cold for a moment. The NFL needs to find another ownership group to buy out Benson and then send him off to retirement along the Riverwalk.

The Saints' other problem is Loomis. He and Haslett have feuded since both arrived in the Big Easy in 2000. With Haslett gone, maybe Loomis will improve. But I doubt it.

Loomis has made several questionable personnel moves in the past 12 months. He failed to upgrade a thin and unproven linebacking unit. He neglected to bring in a veteran quarterback to compete with unraveling starter Aaron Brooks. And he wrongly invested a fortune in the offseason, re-signing aging WR Joe Horn, injured RB Deuce McAllister and disappointing CB Mike McKenzie. Horn battled a hamstring injury for most of the season and was a fraction of his former Pro Bowl self. McAllister lasted just five games before tearing an ACL. McKenzie started the first 15 games, recorded one interception and was burned more often than Senator Hillary Clinton on the Fox News Channel.

By giving his last few pennies to the Horn-McAllister-McKenzie troika, Loomis failed to re-sign Pro Bowl C LeCharles Bentley. Bentley earned a trip to Hawaii as an offensive guard in 2003, moved to center in ’04 where he was a Pro Bowl alternate and was a full Pro Bowl member as a center this season. Bentley will hit the free-agent open market in the offseason instead of being firmly entrenched as a cornerstone of the Saints’ offense.

Oops.

Loomis’ next big move is not to fumble the Saints’ No. 2 overall pick in the upcoming draft. The Saints need a quarterback to replace the erratic Brooks. I’m guessing Matt Leinart was secretly rooting for Vince Young in the Rose Bowl. Leinart probably has his fingers crossed that V.Y. forgoes his senior season and the Saints take him instead. Tennessee at No. 3 with Norm Chow, Leinart’s offensive coordinator in college, is probably much more appealing to the USC southpaw.

One bit of good news is that the Saints will return to New Orleans next season. Their move actually begins this month when they start traveling back to their Metairie, La., training facility. They will play at least the latter part of their schedule at the Superdome in New Orleans.

There will be NFL games in New Orleans in 2006. But that may be it. Benson and NFL Commish Paul Tagliabue agreed on a one-year deal last week to return the Saints to their rightful home. While Tagliabue has said the NFL and the Saints will try to work on a long-term agreement for residency in New Orleans, you can bet Benson will spend ’06 courting San Antonio once again. If ticket sales stumble in New Orleans and/or the luxury boxes don’t sell, then Benson-to-San Antonio talk will heat up even more.

I hope I’m wrong. I hope the Saints will stay in New Orleans for a long, long time. I hope I’m Jim Haslett was fired this week.

Big surprise. Sorry, it’s hard not to be sarcastic when discussing Saints news.

I can’t blame the Saints for letting Haslett go. (That’s the PC way of saying someone was fired, right?)

It’s tough to justify giving a coach, who just wrapped up an awful 3-13 season and hasn't made the playoffs since 2000, a contract extension. Haslett wanted an extension. The stubborn Haslett wasn’t about to stick around and be a lame-duck coach to fulfill the final year of his contract.

No rose-colored lenses could make 3-13 look better even though the Saints were practicing on high school football fields, living out of hotels, lifting weights underneath a circus tent, and being forced out of the Alamodome because of a scheduling conflict with the NCAA Volleyball Championships. (Are you serious? Sadly, yes.)

But firing Haslett won’t cure the sick Saints.

Haslett wasn’t the problem. It’s the two men above him that have the Saints doomed.

No matter who replaces Haslett, TBD head coach will fail because the men guiding the ship � owner Tom Benson and GM Mickey Loomis � form a misguided compass.

Benson openly flirted with San Antonio city officials to move his team there permanently. He even flaunted a pending move. I understand the NFL is a business and that it is Benson’s prerogative to make money, but there is such a thing as common decency (of which Benson apparently has little).

Hurricane Katrina ravaged New Orleans and most of the Gulf Coast. Too many people died. Too many homes and businesses were destroyed. Too many people were displaced. Yet here was Benson doing everything in his power to finagle a move to San Antonio. He fired high-ranking administrators that disagreed with him like Arnold Fielkow, who was let go for suggesting that the Saints should do everything in their power to play their 2005 home games in Louisiana. Fielkow was instrumental in getting the Saints to play four games at LSU’s Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge. But Fielkow paid the price.

That’s cold.

So let me be cold for a moment. The NFL needs to find another ownership group to buy out Benson and then send him off to retirement along the Riverwalk.

The Saints' other problem is Loomis. He and Haslett have feuded since both arrived in the Big Easy in 2000. With Haslett gone, maybe Loomis will improve. But I doubt it.

Loomis has made several questionable personnel moves in the past 12 months. He failed to upgrade a thin and unproven linebacking unit. He neglected to bring in a veteran quarterback to compete with unraveling starter Aaron Brooks. And he wrongly invested a fortune in the offseason, re-signing aging WR Joe Horn, injured RB Deuce McAllister and disappointing CB Mike McKenzie. Horn battled a hamstring injury for most of the season and was a fraction of his former Pro Bowl self. McAllister lasted just five games before tearing an ACL. McKenzie started the first 15 games, recorded one interception and was burned more often than Senator Hillary Clinton on the Fox News Channel.

By giving his last few pennies to the Horn-McAllister-McKenzie troika, Loomis failed to re-sign Pro Bowl C LeCharles Bentley. Bentley earned a trip to Hawaii as an offensive guard in 2003, moved to center in ’04 where he was a Pro Bowl alternate and was a full Pro Bowl member as a center this season. Bentley will hit the free-agent open market in the offseason instead of being firmly entrenched as a cornerstone of the Saints’ offense.

Oops.

Loomis’ next big move is not to fumble the Saints’ No. 2 overall pick in the upcoming draft. The Saints need a quarterback to replace the erratic Brooks. I’m guessing Matt Leinart was secretly rooting for Vince Young in the Rose Bowl. Leinart probably has his fingers crossed that V.Y. forgoes his senior season and the Saints take him instead. Tennessee at No. 3 with Norm Chow, Leinart’s offensive coordinator in college, is probably much more appealing to the USC southpaw.

One bit of good news is that the Saints will return to New Orleans next season. Their move actually begins this month when they start traveling back to their Metairie, La., training facility. They will play at least the latter part of their schedule at the Superdome in New Orleans.

There will be NFL games in New Orleans in 2006. But that may be it. Benson and NFL Commish Paul Tagliabue agreed on a one-year deal last week to return the Saints to their rightful home. While Tagliabue has said the NFL and the Saints will try to work on a long-term agreement for residency in New Orleans, you can bet Benson will spend ’06 courting San Antonio once again. If ticket sales stumble in New Orleans and/or the luxury boxes don’t sell, then Benson-to-San Antonio talk will heat up even more.

I hope I’m wrong. I hope the Saints will stay in New Orleans for a long, long time. I hope I’m just being a pessimist.

Sadly, when it comes to the Saints, it’s best to prepare yourself for the worst.
just being a pessimist.

Sadly, when it comes to the Saints, it’s best to prepare yourself for the worst.

saintswhodi 01-06-2006 12:11 PM

This is funny cause, it's so dead on. I was WAY against giving Horn an extension last year, and mildly against Deuce getting one, mainly cause I thought we could have traded him to the Dolphins and taken Ronnie Brown in the draft, but when he got it, I was okay. I was all for giving McKenzie an extension. Not looking too hot. Another mistake Loomis made that wasn't mentioned was not trading Darren Howard. Too greedy. We could have gotten a good LB last year with that second round or late first pick. Sad to say, whoever our new coach is, Loomis and Benson are still here. Mickey didn't do a terribl job with the draft last year, so hopefully he and the coach whomever it is are on the same page and start to turn us around.

MordorIV 01-06-2006 02:16 PM

Deuce trade him

saintswhodi 01-06-2006 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MordorIV
Deuce trade him

There are about 50 million reasons why we can't. Now Joe Horn, we could cut him for a minimal hit I believe.

SCSaintsFan 01-06-2006 02:43 PM

Cutting Horn?

I'm not against it, but has Stallworth or Henderson progressed enough?

Stallworth look awsom at times, and awful, but then again so did the whole team. Stallworth did look TOUGH though. He took some hits and really bounce right back.

Perhaps, if he can reduce his drops to only 1 or 2 per game he will be a TRUE threat.

sarge06 01-06-2006 02:43 PM

We wont be able to get fair market value for duece now that he is damaged goods.

CheramieIII 01-06-2006 09:57 PM

I am going to say this just once MORE, if we can't trade AB, Howard or Deuce just cut them. We can definitely make up for it with what we have and the draft especially if we trade down and get HAWK.

hagan714 01-07-2006 09:14 AM

Dumping AB and Howard must get us some kind of QB. AB and Howard also need to redo contracts first. We do not have the brain trust to accomplish that. We losses out on both in the end
Deuce is here for along time with that contract. Another blunder. Back end heavy. Besides Deuce needs to show he's back at full strength.
Next we get AJ after we move down once or twice in the draft depending if Young comes out.

Boogro 01-07-2006 11:22 AM

Our offence sucks guys. Hawk won't improve that. Vilma had all the hype coming out and he has improved the Jets defense and look at where the Jets are....almost right after us in the draft. Sure the bears went to the play-offs with a strong D and a strong middle linebacker. What makes yall think we can do it? We need to score points and if Bush is there (probably wont be) but you take him. Twelve carries, a few catches, and return kicks and punts. If not, take a franchise qb like lineart. I hate the guy, but he's a winner and a good qb. Our defense was in the top 15 with Venturi coaching them. Our defense is not the biggest problem right now. Yall wanted to give up the farm for Eli a couple years back and noew we dont have to give up nothing for a quarterback as equal if not better than Manning and yall would rather draft a linebacker? I don't understand

UK_WhoDat 01-07-2006 11:32 AM

Good point

Some say pick the best athlete available; and Hawk is in the frame. But I think you should at least pick the best athlete on the side of the ball you have the greatest weakness.

Our offence needs more work than our defence.

BlackandBlue 01-07-2006 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Boogro
Our offence sucks guys.

This team sucks. Take your pick.

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Hawk won't improve that. Vilma had all the hype coming out and he has improved the Jets defense and look at where the Jets are....almost right after us in the draft.
We need playmakers- I don't care if it's the mascot, if the guy can bring it, and is the best player available, draft him. I feel good about our running back group, our defensive ends, and our cornerbacks, though we could use some depth there. Maybe Hilton can continue his improvement and secure the tight end position, I don't know. But we need playmakers- as many as we can get.

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Sure the bears went to the play-offs with a strong D and a strong middle linebacker. What makes yall think we can do it?
What makes you think we can't? We sign or draft another safety, defensive tackle, and some linebackers, this defense might be able to take the next step.

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We need to score points and if Bush is there (probably wont be) but you take him. Twelve carries, a few catches, and return kicks and punts.
Agreed. If Bush is there, he is the best player available, you take him. That would mean an overload of players at that position, so some moves would have to be made. Or trade the pick. The Jets would take Bush if they could.

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If not, take a franchise qb like lineart. I hate the guy, but he's a winner and a good qb.
Agreed

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Our defense was in the top 15 with Venturi coaching them. Our defense is not the biggest problem right now.
No, not having enough playmankers on both sides of the ball is the biggest problem. A good defense, and a bad offense will get you further than 3-13. This is not a good football team right now, period.

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Yall wanted to give up the farm for Eli a couple years back and noew we dont have to give up nothing for a quarterback as equal if not better than Manning and yall would rather draft a linebacker? I don't understand
Who did? I don't remember those conversations, all I remember was we better get either Vilma or DJ Williams. We end up with who? Will Smith, even though we were stocked at the position, because he was the best player available. Look how that turned out now, two years later- the best player on our defense. But I'm with you, we need to secure our QB of the future now. It's going to take, on average, three years for a QB to become accustomed to the speed of the NFL- why push this out another year, in the hopes of drafting someone like Quinn, when it's not even guranteed. But when the 2nd round begins, we damn well better take a long hard look at the linebackers that are still on the boards, because I cannot go through another year of mediocrity at that position, I can't do it.

MordorIV 01-07-2006 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII
I am going to say this just once MORE, if we can't trade AB, Howard or Deuce just cut them. We can definitely make up for it with what we have and the draft especially if we trade down and get HAWK.


The Saints i think need to stop this stuff just pick up bush if he's there if not Leinart and the trade brooks and deuce for a couple of good DF players and then they might just play.


They do this every year D, and they dont get crap they take DF all the time no OF not even when they might get a pretty good pick of OF this year which they should go for.

Boogro 01-07-2006 12:39 PM

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We need playmakers- I don't care if it's the mascot, if the guy can bring it, and is the best player available, draft him. I feel good about our running back group, our defensive ends, and our cornerbacks, though we could use some depth there. Maybe Hilton can continue his improvement and secure the tight end position, I don't know. But we need playmakers- as many as we can get.

I agree, we need playmakers..So, why not get one on the offence side of the ball where we need it the most? To me it seemed every time we did get a turnover, our offence couldn't translate them in to points. Everyone complains about Brooks and his erratic play and stupidness, so why not solve that problem for years to come with getting a franchise QB? Bush would be a fantasy to have, but I doubt tthat will ever happen with the Carr situation. We need a LT, and QB more than anything and maybe a center before long.

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No, not having enough playmankers on both sides of the ball is the biggest problem. A good defense, and a bad offense will get you further than 3-13. This is not a good football team right now, period
Well, we had a better D this year that the last few years and it seems we were better then. So, I feel the offence is more important than the defense.

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What makes you think we can't? We sign or draft another safety, defensive tackle, and some linebackers, this defense might be able to take the next step.
I like our safety situation with Smith and Bullocks. I think Bullocks played well as a rookie and can only get better. We CAN pick up DT and a LB via FA so why would we need to draft a LB in the first round when we have other needs?

BlackandBlue 01-07-2006 01:46 PM

I don't disagree with you at all. As things stand right now, Lienart is my #1 pick, because I think Bush will go #1, and I desperately want to draft a future QB. But changes could happen, and you have to be open to the possibility of looking at Bush or Lienart- what are you going to do? I trade the pick, I believe there are some teams that would bundle alot to get their hands on Bush. Gotta take that into consideration as well. When that 2nd pick rolls around, and you're sitting there, with somebody like Bobby Carpenter or Chad Greenway sitting there, you're not going to take this guy? Players slide all the time. You want a Day 1 starter out of your 2nd round pick, especially one so high.

pakowitz 01-07-2006 01:50 PM

hey BnB do u remember the value for a 1st round pick in next years draft... ie we trade down for a first this year and a first next year... what the pt value is? i know our pick is worth 2600 pts on most value boards... couldnt find what next years 1sts were worth...

pakowitz 01-07-2006 01:54 PM

if anyone wants to see a draft value chart

here ya go:


http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm

BlackandBlue 01-07-2006 01:54 PM

I remember hearing about it on the radio, but I can't remember the % they use to deduct from the value. I'm worthless in the mornings.

ssmitty 01-07-2006 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackandBlue
I remember hearing about it on the radio, but I can't remember the % they use to deduct from the value. I'm worthless in the mornings.

that's not what your girlfriend/wife tells me..............................smitty

saintswhodi 01-07-2006 04:56 PM

What I wanna know is, why do people keep saying we should cut or trade Deuce? WE CAN'T. Just stop it. We are stuck with Deuce. We can cut AB. And we CAN'T trade Howard, cause after the season he will no longer be under contract. We can put a transition tag on him, but then we have to pay him 120% of what he made last year, which was what, like 9 million dollars? So we would have over 10 mil tied up in Howard hoping we could trade him, which we should have done last year. That will beon our cap, until we removed the tag, or traded him, which would be through the FA period.

sarge06 01-07-2006 06:06 PM

Thank you

BlackandBlue 01-07-2006 06:19 PM

I never said trade Deuce. I could get more for Bush.

SaintsAvenger 01-07-2006 07:58 PM

Bush will wash out and so will Lienart I think you go FA for a QB. But you do not dismantle and offense for one lousy season. BTW Duece was hurt, Horn was hurt. I mean come on the people ya'll used to worship now are fodder, I do not belive it. Come on now get your heads our of your rear and start thinking witha clear head. Think about it we have a good advantage in the fact we are the closest team to winning that is picking early in the draft so we should get an impact player. Yes we have our faults but we have a lot of good players on the lines and at the skills position. WE DO NOT HAVE TO REBUILD!!!!!!!!!

Tobias-Reiper 01-07-2006 08:09 PM

..when I read the title of this post, I read something else..
.. please use the word "money" next time... :)

hagan714 01-08-2006 01:15 PM

ditto avenger. Best trade bait would probly Donte right now. He has alot what if's about him right now. Brooks is a sign and trade situation as is howard. bentley we must keepppppppppppppppppppppp. any good FA centers out there? move bentley back to guard. I think we made a mistake at guard last year. Unless we go to zone blocking trade that mistake. More money for bentley. Dump the dead wood for what ever you can at TE WR and LB. To much money spent on 3 years of potential there. Redo Sullivans contract or see what you can get. do not just dump him though because he did show life this year. and is now at 75% bust. Maybe next year with addition of new blood at lb he could become 50% bust, but he does owe us money. So reiper there is your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


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