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I did see if someone else already posted this or not...

From Pro Football weekly:

This is funny cause, it's so dead on. I was WAY against giving Horn an extension last year, and mildly against Deuce getting one, mainly cause I thought we could have traded him to the Dolphins and taken Ronnie Brown in the draft, but when he got it, I was okay. I was all for giving McKenzie an extension. Not looking too hot. Another mistake Loomis made that wasn't mentioned was not trading Darren Howard. Too greedy. We could have gotten a good LB last year with that second round or late first pick. Sad to say, whoever our new coach is, Loomis and Benson are still here. Mickey didn't do a terribl job with the draft last year, so hopefully he and the coach whomever it is are on the same page and start to turn us around.

Deuce trade him

There are about 50 million reasons why we can't. Now Joe Horn, we could cut him for a minimal hit I believe.

Cutting Horn?

I'm not against it, but has Stallworth or Henderson progressed enough?

Stallworth look awsom at times, and awful, but then again so did the whole team. Stallworth did look TOUGH though. He took some hits and really bounce right back.

Perhaps, if he can reduce his drops to only 1 or 2 per game he will be a TRUE threat.

We wont be able to get fair market value for duece now that he is damaged goods.

I am going to say this just once MORE, if we can't trade AB, Howard or Deuce just cut them. We can definitely make up for it with what we have and the draft especially if we trade down and get HAWK.

Dumping AB and Howard must get us some kind of QB. AB and Howard also need to redo contracts first. We do not have the brain trust to accomplish that. We losses out on both in the end
Deuce is here for along time with that contract. Another blunder. Back end heavy. Besides Deuce needs to show he's back at full strength.
Next we get AJ after we move down once or twice in the draft depending if Young comes out.

Our offence sucks guys. Hawk won't improve that. Vilma had all the hype coming out and he has improved the Jets defense and look at where the Jets are....almost right after us in the draft. Sure the bears went to the play-offs with a strong D and a strong middle linebacker. What makes yall think we can do it? We need to score points and if Bush is there (probably wont be) but you take him. Twelve carries, a few catches, and return kicks and punts. If not, take a franchise qb like lineart. I hate the guy, but he's a winner and a good qb. Our defense was in the top 15 with Venturi coaching them. Our defense is not the biggest problem right now. Yall wanted to give up the farm for Eli a couple years back and noew we dont have to give up nothing for a quarterback as equal if not better than Manning and yall would rather draft a linebacker? I don't understand

Good point

Some say pick the best athlete available; and Hawk is in the frame. But I think you should at least pick the best athlete on the side of the ball you have the greatest weakness.

Our offence needs more work than our defence.

This team sucks. Take your pick.

We need playmakers- I don't care if it's the mascot, if the guy can bring it, and is the best player available, draft him. I feel good about our running back group, our defensive ends, and our cornerbacks, though we could use some depth there. Maybe Hilton can continue his improvement and secure the tight end position, I don't know. But we need playmakers- as many as we can get.

What makes you think we can't? We sign or draft another safety, defensive tackle, and some linebackers, this defense might be able to take the next step.

Agreed. If Bush is there, he is the best player available, you take him. That would mean an overload of players at that position, so some moves would have to be made. Or trade the pick. The Jets would take Bush if they could.

Agreed

No, not having enough playmankers on both sides of the ball is the biggest problem. A good defense, and a bad offense will get you further than 3-13. This is not a good football team right now, period.

Who did? I don't remember those conversations, all I remember was we better get either Vilma or DJ Williams. We end up with who? Will Smith, even though we were stocked at the position, because he was the best player available. Look how that turned out now, two years later- the best player on our defense. But I'm with you, we need to secure our QB of the future now. It's going to take, on average, three years for a QB to become accustomed to the speed of the NFL- why push this out another year, in the hopes of drafting someone like Quinn, when it's not even guranteed. But when the 2nd round begins, we damn well better take a long hard look at the linebackers that are still on the boards, because I cannot go through another year of mediocrity at that position, I can't do it.

The Saints i think need to stop this stuff just pick up bush if he's there if not Leinart and the trade brooks and deuce for a couple of good DF players and then they might just play.


They do this every year D, and they dont get crap they take DF all the time no OF not even when they might get a pretty good pick of OF this year which they should go for.

I agree, we need playmakers..So, why not get one on the offence side of the ball where we need it the most? To me it seemed every time we did get a turnover, our offence couldn't translate them in to points. Everyone complains about Brooks and his erratic play and stupidness, so why not solve that problem for years to come with getting a franchise QB? Bush would be a fantasy to have, but I doubt tthat will ever happen with the Carr situation. We need a LT, and QB more than anything and maybe a center before long.

Well, we had a better D this year that the last few years and it seems we were better then. So, I feel the offence is more important than the defense.

I like our safety situation with Smith and Bullocks. I think Bullocks played well as a rookie and can only get better. We CAN pick up DT and a LB via FA so why would we need to draft a LB in the first round when we have other needs?

I don't disagree with you at all. As things stand right now, Lienart is my #1 pick, because I think Bush will go #1, and I desperately want to draft a future QB. But changes could happen, and you have to be open to the possibility of looking at Bush or Lienart- what are you going to do? I trade the pick, I believe there are some teams that would bundle alot to get their hands on Bush. Gotta take that into consideration as well. When that 2nd pick rolls around, and you're sitting there, with somebody like Bobby Carpenter or Chad Greenway sitting there, you're not going to take this guy? Players slide all the time. You want a Day 1 starter out of your 2nd round pick, especially one so high.

hey BnB do u remember the value for a 1st round pick in next years draft... ie we trade down for a first this year and a first next year... what the pt value is? i know our pick is worth 2600 pts on most value boards... couldnt find what next years 1sts were worth...

if anyone wants to see a draft value chart

here ya go:


http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm

I remember hearing about it on the radio, but I can't remember the % they use to deduct from the value. I'm worthless in the mornings.

that's not what your girlfriend/wife tells me..............................smitty

What I wanna know is, why do people keep saying we should cut or trade Deuce? WE CAN'T. Just stop it. We are stuck with Deuce. We can cut AB. And we CAN'T trade Howard, cause after the season he will no longer be under contract. We can put a transition tag on him, but then we have to pay him 120% of what he made last year, which was what, like 9 million dollars? So we would have over 10 mil tied up in Howard hoping we could trade him, which we should have done last year. That will beon our cap, until we removed the tag, or traded him, which would be through the FA period.

Thank you

I never said trade Deuce. I could get more for Bush.

Bush will wash out and so will Lienart I think you go FA for a QB. But you do not dismantle and offense for one lousy season. BTW Duece was hurt, Horn was hurt. I mean come on the people ya'll used to worship now are fodder, I do not belive it. Come on now get your heads our of your rear and start thinking witha clear head. Think about it we have a good advantage in the fact we are the closest team to winning that is picking early in the draft so we should get an impact player. Yes we have our faults but we have a lot of good players on the lines and at the skills position. WE DO NOT HAVE TO REBUILD!!!!!!!!!

..when I read the title of this post, I read something else..
.. please use the word "money" next time... :)

ditto avenger. Best trade bait would probly Donte right now. He has alot what if's about him right now. Brooks is a sign and trade situation as is howard. bentley we must keepppppppppppppppppppppp. any good FA centers out there? move bentley back to guard. I think we made a mistake at guard last year. Unless we go to zone blocking trade that mistake. More money for bentley. Dump the dead wood for what ever you can at TE WR and LB. To much money spent on 3 years of potential there. Redo Sullivans contract or see what you can get. do not just dump him though because he did show life this year. and is now at 75% bust. Maybe next year with addition of new blood at lb he could become 50% bust, but he does owe us money. So reiper there is your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$