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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I did see if someone else already posted this or not... From Pro Football weekly: Jim Haslett was fired this week. Big surprise. Sorry, it’s hard not to be sarcastic when discussing Saints news. I can’t blame the Saints for ...

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Old 01-06-2006, 01:02 PM   #1
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PFW - RIGHT ON THE $$$$

I did see if someone else already posted this or not...

From Pro Football weekly:

Jim Haslett was fired this week.

Big surprise. Sorry, it’s hard not to be sarcastic when discussing Saints news.

I can’t blame the Saints for letting Haslett go. (That’s the PC way of saying someone was fired, right?)

It’s tough to justify giving a coach, who just wrapped up an awful 3-13 season and hasn't made the playoffs since 2000, a contract extension. Haslett wanted an extension. The stubborn Haslett wasn’t about to stick around and be a lame-duck coach to fulfill the final year of his contract.

No rose-colored lenses could make 3-13 look better even though the Saints were practicing on high school football fields, living out of hotels, lifting weights underneath a circus tent, and being forced out of the Alamodome because of a scheduling conflict with the NCAA Volleyball Championships. (Are you serious? Sadly, yes.)

But firing Haslett won’t cure the sick Saints.

Haslett wasn’t the problem. It’s the two men above him that have the Saints doomed.

No matter who replaces Haslett, TBD head coach will fail because the men guiding the ship � owner Tom Benson and GM Mickey Loomis � form a misguided compass.

Benson openly flirted with San Antonio city officials to move his team there permanently. He even flaunted a pending move. I understand the NFL is a business and that it is Benson’s prerogative to make money, but there is such a thing as common decency (of which Benson apparently has little).

Hurricane Katrina ravaged New Orleans and most of the Gulf Coast. Too many people died. Too many homes and businesses were destroyed. Too many people were displaced. Yet here was Benson doing everything in his power to finagle a move to San Antonio. He fired high-ranking administrators that disagreed with him like Arnold Fielkow, who was let go for suggesting that the Saints should do everything in their power to play their 2005 home games in Louisiana. Fielkow was instrumental in getting the Saints to play four games at LSU’s Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge. But Fielkow paid the price.

That’s cold.

So let me be cold for a moment. The NFL needs to find another ownership group to buy out Benson and then send him off to retirement along the Riverwalk.

The Saints' other problem is Loomis. He and Haslett have feuded since both arrived in the Big Easy in 2000. With Haslett gone, maybe Loomis will improve. But I doubt it.

Loomis has made several questionable personnel moves in the past 12 months. He failed to upgrade a thin and unproven linebacking unit. He neglected to bring in a veteran quarterback to compete with unraveling starter Aaron Brooks. And he wrongly invested a fortune in the offseason, re-signing aging WR Joe Horn, injured RB Deuce McAllister and disappointing CB Mike McKenzie. Horn battled a hamstring injury for most of the season and was a fraction of his former Pro Bowl self. McAllister lasted just five games before tearing an ACL. McKenzie started the first 15 games, recorded one interception and was burned more often than Senator Hillary Clinton on the Fox News Channel.

By giving his last few pennies to the Horn-McAllister-McKenzie troika, Loomis failed to re-sign Pro Bowl C LeCharles Bentley. Bentley earned a trip to Hawaii as an offensive guard in 2003, moved to center in ’04 where he was a Pro Bowl alternate and was a full Pro Bowl member as a center this season. Bentley will hit the free-agent open market in the offseason instead of being firmly entrenched as a cornerstone of the Saints’ offense.

Oops.

Loomis’ next big move is not to fumble the Saints’ No. 2 overall pick in the upcoming draft. The Saints need a quarterback to replace the erratic Brooks. I’m guessing Matt Leinart was secretly rooting for Vince Young in the Rose Bowl. Leinart probably has his fingers crossed that V.Y. forgoes his senior season and the Saints take him instead. Tennessee at No. 3 with Norm Chow, Leinart’s offensive coordinator in college, is probably much more appealing to the USC southpaw.

One bit of good news is that the Saints will return to New Orleans next season. Their move actually begins this month when they start traveling back to their Metairie, La., training facility. They will play at least the latter part of their schedule at the Superdome in New Orleans.

There will be NFL games in New Orleans in 2006. But that may be it. Benson and NFL Commish Paul Tagliabue agreed on a one-year deal last week to return the Saints to their rightful home. While Tagliabue has said the NFL and the Saints will try to work on a long-term agreement for residency in New Orleans, you can bet Benson will spend ’06 courting San Antonio once again. If ticket sales stumble in New Orleans and/or the luxury boxes don’t sell, then Benson-to-San Antonio talk will heat up even more.

I hope I’m wrong. I hope the Saints will stay in New Orleans for a long, long time. I hope I’m Jim Haslett was fired this week.

Big surprise. Sorry, it’s hard not to be sarcastic when discussing Saints news.

I can’t blame the Saints for letting Haslett go. (That’s the PC way of saying someone was fired, right?)

It’s tough to justify giving a coach, who just wrapped up an awful 3-13 season and hasn't made the playoffs since 2000, a contract extension. Haslett wanted an extension. The stubborn Haslett wasn’t about to stick around and be a lame-duck coach to fulfill the final year of his contract.

No rose-colored lenses could make 3-13 look better even though the Saints were practicing on high school football fields, living out of hotels, lifting weights underneath a circus tent, and being forced out of the Alamodome because of a scheduling conflict with the NCAA Volleyball Championships. (Are you serious? Sadly, yes.)

But firing Haslett won’t cure the sick Saints.

Haslett wasn’t the problem. It’s the two men above him that have the Saints doomed.

No matter who replaces Haslett, TBD head coach will fail because the men guiding the ship � owner Tom Benson and GM Mickey Loomis � form a misguided compass.

Benson openly flirted with San Antonio city officials to move his team there permanently. He even flaunted a pending move. I understand the NFL is a business and that it is Benson’s prerogative to make money, but there is such a thing as common decency (of which Benson apparently has little).

Hurricane Katrina ravaged New Orleans and most of the Gulf Coast. Too many people died. Too many homes and businesses were destroyed. Too many people were displaced. Yet here was Benson doing everything in his power to finagle a move to San Antonio. He fired high-ranking administrators that disagreed with him like Arnold Fielkow, who was let go for suggesting that the Saints should do everything in their power to play their 2005 home games in Louisiana. Fielkow was instrumental in getting the Saints to play four games at LSU’s Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge. But Fielkow paid the price.

That’s cold.

So let me be cold for a moment. The NFL needs to find another ownership group to buy out Benson and then send him off to retirement along the Riverwalk.

The Saints' other problem is Loomis. He and Haslett have feuded since both arrived in the Big Easy in 2000. With Haslett gone, maybe Loomis will improve. But I doubt it.

Loomis has made several questionable personnel moves in the past 12 months. He failed to upgrade a thin and unproven linebacking unit. He neglected to bring in a veteran quarterback to compete with unraveling starter Aaron Brooks. And he wrongly invested a fortune in the offseason, re-signing aging WR Joe Horn, injured RB Deuce McAllister and disappointing CB Mike McKenzie. Horn battled a hamstring injury for most of the season and was a fraction of his former Pro Bowl self. McAllister lasted just five games before tearing an ACL. McKenzie started the first 15 games, recorded one interception and was burned more often than Senator Hillary Clinton on the Fox News Channel.

By giving his last few pennies to the Horn-McAllister-McKenzie troika, Loomis failed to re-sign Pro Bowl C LeCharles Bentley. Bentley earned a trip to Hawaii as an offensive guard in 2003, moved to center in ’04 where he was a Pro Bowl alternate and was a full Pro Bowl member as a center this season. Bentley will hit the free-agent open market in the offseason instead of being firmly entrenched as a cornerstone of the Saints’ offense.

Oops.

Loomis’ next big move is not to fumble the Saints’ No. 2 overall pick in the upcoming draft. The Saints need a quarterback to replace the erratic Brooks. I’m guessing Matt Leinart was secretly rooting for Vince Young in the Rose Bowl. Leinart probably has his fingers crossed that V.Y. forgoes his senior season and the Saints take him instead. Tennessee at No. 3 with Norm Chow, Leinart’s offensive coordinator in college, is probably much more appealing to the USC southpaw.

One bit of good news is that the Saints will return to New Orleans next season. Their move actually begins this month when they start traveling back to their Metairie, La., training facility. They will play at least the latter part of their schedule at the Superdome in New Orleans.

There will be NFL games in New Orleans in 2006. But that may be it. Benson and NFL Commish Paul Tagliabue agreed on a one-year deal last week to return the Saints to their rightful home. While Tagliabue has said the NFL and the Saints will try to work on a long-term agreement for residency in New Orleans, you can bet Benson will spend ’06 courting San Antonio once again. If ticket sales stumble in New Orleans and/or the luxury boxes don’t sell, then Benson-to-San Antonio talk will heat up even more.

I hope I’m wrong. I hope the Saints will stay in New Orleans for a long, long time. I hope I’m just being a pessimist.

Sadly, when it comes to the Saints, it’s best to prepare yourself for the worst.
just being a pessimist.

Sadly, when it comes to the Saints, it’s best to prepare yourself for the worst.
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Old 01-06-2006, 01:11 PM   #2
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This is funny cause, it's so dead on. I was WAY against giving Horn an extension last year, and mildly against Deuce getting one, mainly cause I thought we could have traded him to the Dolphins and taken Ronnie Brown in the draft, but when he got it, I was okay. I was all for giving McKenzie an extension. Not looking too hot. Another mistake Loomis made that wasn't mentioned was not trading Darren Howard. Too greedy. We could have gotten a good LB last year with that second round or late first pick. Sad to say, whoever our new coach is, Loomis and Benson are still here. Mickey didn't do a terribl job with the draft last year, so hopefully he and the coach whomever it is are on the same page and start to turn us around.
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Deuce trade him
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:24 PM   #4
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Deuce trade him
There are about 50 million reasons why we can't. Now Joe Horn, we could cut him for a minimal hit I believe.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:43 PM   #5
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Cutting Horn?

I'm not against it, but has Stallworth or Henderson progressed enough?

Stallworth look awsom at times, and awful, but then again so did the whole team. Stallworth did look TOUGH though. He took some hits and really bounce right back.

Perhaps, if he can reduce his drops to only 1 or 2 per game he will be a TRUE threat.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:43 PM   #6
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We wont be able to get fair market value for duece now that he is damaged goods.
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Old 01-06-2006, 10:57 PM   #7
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I am going to say this just once MORE, if we can't trade AB, Howard or Deuce just cut them. We can definitely make up for it with what we have and the draft especially if we trade down and get HAWK.
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Old 01-07-2006, 10:14 AM   #8
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Dumping AB and Howard must get us some kind of QB. AB and Howard also need to redo contracts first. We do not have the brain trust to accomplish that. We losses out on both in the end
Deuce is here for along time with that contract. Another blunder. Back end heavy. Besides Deuce needs to show he's back at full strength.
Next we get AJ after we move down once or twice in the draft depending if Young comes out.
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Old 01-07-2006, 12:22 PM   #9
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Our offence sucks guys. Hawk won't improve that. Vilma had all the hype coming out and he has improved the Jets defense and look at where the Jets are....almost right after us in the draft. Sure the bears went to the play-offs with a strong D and a strong middle linebacker. What makes yall think we can do it? We need to score points and if Bush is there (probably wont be) but you take him. Twelve carries, a few catches, and return kicks and punts. If not, take a franchise qb like lineart. I hate the guy, but he's a winner and a good qb. Our defense was in the top 15 with Venturi coaching them. Our defense is not the biggest problem right now. Yall wanted to give up the farm for Eli a couple years back and noew we dont have to give up nothing for a quarterback as equal if not better than Manning and yall would rather draft a linebacker? I don't understand
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Old 01-07-2006, 12:32 PM   #10
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Good point

Some say pick the best athlete available; and Hawk is in the frame. But I think you should at least pick the best athlete on the side of the ball you have the greatest weakness.

Our offence needs more work than our defence.
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