Defense !!

CheramieIII · 01-09-2006, 07:44 PM

with all these LBs declaring... i actually think we need to trade down and try to acquire another high 2nd round pick and pick 2 LBs with both of them

A man with vision, a Pakman if you will. Damn, P I don't know how anyone else is missing this. If we have an average QB and a great defense we will win more games than with a superstar rookie QB and a average defense.

I don't think I can explain that any better and we are not talking about the future. The Saints have to win now because if we don't THERE WON'T BE A FUTURE.

Is anyone reading this the same way I am writing it. The seats will be full next year no matter who the QB is!!!!!!!

MordorIV · 01-09-2006, 07:49 PM

GO DDDDDDDDDDDDD

zachsaints52 · 01-09-2006, 08:34 PM

Ok, heres my opinion, if I have said something different, sorry, but this is it now.
Trade down, pick up 2nd and draft Hawk (MLB over)
First second rounder- Max Gean Gilles
Second Second Rounder- BA DT or OLB

Also, two players I have noticed, and have wondered about. Ahmad Brooks and AJ Nicholson, how late do you think each will fall? Should we get them?

TheDeuce
Posted: Jan 09, 2006 - 10:02 AM

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My problem with Leinart is that he is either going to be good or going to be a total bust. I'd rather trade down and take the best defensive player in this class and pick up a quality QB in round 2 or even manage a later round 1.

OK so you'd trade the 2nd best offensive player for the best defensive player because you're afraid Leinart could be a bust? What stops AJ Hawk from being a bust? NOthing, and you know it. He has more injury concerns that Leinart. Also, adding a "quality" QB isn't the same as adding a stud QB. Like I said earlier, just having a bunch of mediocre QBs doesn't mean the quarterback position will be good. It means they'll be mediocre. Look at the COlts. THey have Peyton and then.... Jim Sorgi. You don't need an Omar Jacobs, AMAC and a washed up veteran, you need a franchise QB, which is exactly what Leinart is.

Ok, but I have a question. Which would you rather have, a stud QB or a stud MLB? A person to man the offense, or to man the defense? If Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can lead teams to Super Bowls, why can't we rent a QB and have them play decent for a respectable record?

CheramieIII · 01-09-2006, 08:52 PM

Good call Zach but I would take Nicholson, I think Brooks had some knee surgery and we don't want another Cie Grant

Winwin · 01-09-2006, 09:04 PM

There is no other college QB to compare Leinart too, but if we are gonan compare him too busts,

gino toretta=matt lienart.

saintswhodi · 01-09-2006, 09:22 PM

winwin=blackonblack. So, always wrong.

pakowitz · 01-10-2006, 07:45 AM

where they hell do u guys get those at? and arent these a lil old?

pakowitz · 01-10-2006, 07:47 AM

im talkin about the scouting reports on the qbs....

jergensl · 01-10-2006, 09:36 AM

the saints need to put butts in the seats next year and go 8-8. if they don't do both start printing new jerseys with the los angeles saints on it.

defense is important to win, but some forget that we actually had a decent defense this year. considering we had the worst turnover margin in the league this year and still had a defense ranked 14th overall says to me that a good defensive coordinator(get rid of venturi)a qb with a brain(leinhart) and a healthy deuce would make the saints a heads on favorite for 2006's worst to first team.

look what pitsburgh did with rothesburger(how ever spell his name) his rookie year. solid defense with a heavy dose of the running game. i agree with charmy and others that we need to pick up a solid young lb in the draft, but i think there will be plenty available when we pick early in the 2nd round.

mjf150 · 01-10-2006, 09:50 AM

I know this is slightly off-topic, but BMG, have you given any consideration to a new name, if the team puts us out of our misery and actually does let Brooks go? How about BrooksIsDone?

01-09-2006, 07:44 PM	#51
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	with all these LBs declaring... i actually think we need to trade down and try to acquire another high 2nd round pick and pick 2 LBs with both of them A man with vision, a Pakman if you will. Damn, P I don't know how anyone else is missing this. If we have an average QB and a great defense we will win more games than with a superstar rookie QB and a average defense. I don't think I can explain that any better and we are not talking about the future. The Saints have to win now because if we don't THERE WON'T BE A FUTURE. Is anyone reading this the same way I am writing it. The seats will be full next year no matter who the QB is!!!!!!!
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Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	There is no other college QB to compare Leinart too, but if we are gonan compare him too busts, gino toretta=matt lienart.
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mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 752	I know this is slightly off-topic, but BMG, have you given any consideration to a new name, if the team puts us out of our misery and actually does let Brooks go? How about BrooksIsDone?
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zachsaints52 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 522	Ok, heres my opinion, if I have said something different, sorry, but this is it now. Trade down, pick up 2nd and draft Hawk (MLB over) First second rounder- Max Gean Gilles Second Second Rounder- BA DT or OLB Also, two players I have noticed, and have wondered about. Ahmad Brooks and AJ Nicholson, how late do you think each will fall? Should we get them? TheDeuce Posted: Jan 09, 2006 - 10:02 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: My problem with Leinart is that he is either going to be good or going to be a total bust. I'd rather trade down and take the best defensive player in this class and pick up a quality QB in round 2 or even manage a later round 1. OK so you'd trade the 2nd best offensive player for the best defensive player because you're afraid Leinart could be a bust? What stops AJ Hawk from being a bust? NOthing, and you know it. He has more injury concerns that Leinart. Also, adding a "quality" QB isn't the same as adding a stud QB. Like I said earlier, just having a bunch of mediocre QBs doesn't mean the quarterback position will be good. It means they'll be mediocre. Look at the COlts. THey have Peyton and then.... Jim Sorgi. You don't need an Omar Jacobs, AMAC and a washed up veteran, you need a franchise QB, which is exactly what Leinart is. Ok, but I have a question. Which would you rather have, a stud QB or a stud MLB? A person to man the offense, or to man the defense? If Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can lead teams to Super Bowls, why can't we rent a QB and have them play decent for a respectable record?

01-09-2006, 08:52 PM	#54
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Good call Zach but I would take Nicholson, I think Brooks had some knee surgery and we don't want another Cie Grant

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	winwin=blackonblack. So, always wrong.

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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	where they hell do u guys get those at? and arent these a lil old?

01-10-2006, 07:47 AM	#58
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	im talkin about the scouting reports on the qbs....

01-10-2006, 09:36 AM	#59
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	the saints need to put butts in the seats next year and go 8-8. if they don't do both start printing new jerseys with the los angeles saints on it. defense is important to win, but some forget that we actually had a decent defense this year. considering we had the worst turnover margin in the league this year and still had a defense ranked 14th overall says to me that a good defensive coordinator(get rid of venturi)a qb with a brain(leinhart) and a healthy deuce would make the saints a heads on favorite for 2006's worst to first team. look what pitsburgh did with rothesburger(how ever spell his name) his rookie year. solid defense with a heavy dose of the running game. i agree with charmy and others that we need to pick up a solid young lb in the draft, but i think there will be plenty available when we pick early in the 2nd round.