thanks cheramie, but i purposely got old stuff. to show how vince was thought of prior to the game.

Got ya!

Hey win Im sure that I could pull out things that had him at 112 or 13. Thats not the point I was trying to make. The general overall concenus was that he was between 5 and 10. and after one game where he palyed a great COLLEGE
game they annoit him the King of the draft. I just dont buy it people were drooling over Vick and if you ask me he hasnt lived up to the hype. I just see the same thing. In that game he did not beat USC with his arm. He did it with his feet . In the NFL he will not be able to beat teams with his feet.

i know he can because i've watched him play. as has all the people that are placing him as the best player in the draft. one game hasn't changed my mind, the leadership and greatness he has shown his entire career at texas, playing with a far less talented team than the classless joke leinart. leinart the party animal, while vince was getting his teammates to bond during the offseason.

sorry meant 12th nto112th

first off atlanta is always in the top 5 (in nfl)in possible superbowl participants with vick. ya'll didn't want brooks, don't want to even give mcphearson a chance and you don't want young? and you don't like vick? "wow" what is the same here?

Im tired of hearing how classless Linehart is and how classy VY is.

He showed alot of class at the Hiesman presentation when Bush beat him out for the award. But noone talks about that. I have watched him too and I havent seen the throws. What was the deeps throw he completed in the Rose Bowl?

Where are they now?

Young has been on the NFL's radar since he got to Texas. Kiper has been calling Young and Brady Quinn the top two junior QB's for most of the season. Young has been "top ten whenever he comes out" since last year. Most people said he needed another year in school to work on his mechanics and ability to read coverage. He has mainly been a "one read then scramble" QB for most of his career. Of course his stock will never be higher than it is now. He improved his passing tremendously since last year. With good coaching, he should only get better. He may as well come out this year and get professional coaching. The longer you stay in college the longer the media and scouts have to pick you apart and find supposed "weaknesses." Look at the way people are ripping on Leinart. Last year most of the people on this board would have loved to draft Leinart. Now the general sentiment seems to be he is "classless, spoiled and over-rated."

I'm just going to say I would rather have Hawk and some defense than Leinhart and having to wait another year or two. Get a veteran QB and let AMAC or another QB in the draft learn for a year or two but with the defense in place

I dont think that you guys understand what my point was. I was not saying that VY was not a top ten talent. Just that he barely was before the game and then afterwards jumped up to the top. I have seen this happen before.(Ryan Leaf)

geeez... will u quit comparing Young to Vick... they are 2 totally different qbs in 2 totally different offenses... at VT, they mostly ran the football... running the option and mainly just pounding teams into submission... they did have some very good rbs while vick was there.... while at TX the offense was mostly pro style with some wrinkles thrown in.... vick never was a good passer.. either in college or in the pros but VY leads the nation in passing eff. just b/c the guy can run and has that ability, dont fault the guy for that and say that he cant pass.....

ryan leaf had the talent but he was a head case n wasnt ready for the media all up in his business.... VY has been in the spotlight for 3 years now....

you keep saying the samething over and over and over again, and we(we) keep telling you vince young was top ten last year, top 5 this year prior to the rose bowl. you maybe wasn't keeping up, sorry about that but he was top 5 prior to the rose bowl and #1 after.

thank you, that said it all.

i was at the same thought as you, but a vince young comes around every 2 decades. besides i think the mlb at ohio state that was injured and didn't play against notre dame, forgot his name but he to me is just about as good as aj. hawk his best friend. he should be available with our 2nd pick.

I've been following Young since he played in US Army all-american game as a high school senior. He has always had all the tools to make it and succeed in the NFL. I've watched him evolve from a running QB who couldn't complete basic passes to one of the most efficient QB's in the nation this year. The bottom line is that Young's record in college is 30-2. With effective coaching, there is no reason he shouldn't succeed in the NFL. And for the record, Ryan Leaf was a phenomenal QB for the two and a half years he started at Washington State. He didn't just burst on the scene after a bowl game. Everyone and their grandma thought he would be a great NFL QB. What we all failed to realize was that Leaf was an "all-pro" jackass.

I don't think he was top 10 last year... though he has been on the radar every since he came to UT. He's a far better "quarterback" this year than he was last.

And about a statement about Young playing with far less talent than Leinart is non-sense IMO. USC along with Texas usually end up with the best recruiting classes every single year. Both programs produce tons of prospects for the NFL.

To say Young is a quarterback that comes around every two decades... wow. I think you're just hyping him up to fail here. I can name plenty of quarterbacks within the last two decades that Young will probably never match up to.

The MLB's name is Bobby Carpenter. We should be able to scoop him up in the second or third round if we choose. When you have the chance to take a QB like Young, you have to take it. All things being equal, you always take the quarterback over any other position.

Vick and Young are very similar QBs VY is not a great passer. Passing Eff doesnt tell all. Shaun King led the nation in Passing Eff. his sr year, but I wouldn't classify him a great passer.

yes, he is far better this year than last. and not just by watching the rose bowl of 2006 all games in 2006. heisman candidate all year(that normally goes with top players in college) not just in the rose bowl.

and if you find someone that is of comparable numbers as bush are white let me know.

Papz, you are definitely right about the talent level at Texas being on par with USC's. If nothing else, Mack Brown is a tremendous recruiter year and year out. He continually brings in a top three class every year. I bet Perrilloux wishes he would have stayed with his committment to Texas now.

they are not similar qbs... just b/c they both can run... geez u are blind.... vick never improved his passing even now... VY has improved mightily every year....

yes, they both use afro sheen.

We really arent getting anywhere with this. I put it to you like this I would like for the Saints to draft Linehart. I think that he is more of a sure thing. Will I dbe disappointed with VY no. I think that he can possibly be great. They way I see it is that Linehart is defintely going to me a good QB maybe a great one. VY HAs a wider range than that I think that he will be anywhere from great to mediocre.

I like to play it safe.

did ya watch the peach bowl? if it wasnt for the hurricanes... im sure we might be talkin about LSU and a NC right now....i doubt perilloux misses austin...

Thats right, but then again, you can't really compare him to Manning (the older one) or Brady.

this franchise is in need of some excitement and leinert wont do that... he is a basic QB....id rather have young... while i dont think that young is as good a passer as leinert... i have seen a vast improvement in his passing ability and i beleive that he will continue to grow as a qb, much more then the "incomperable mike vick".....

Pak, the point was that Perrilloux would be heading into next season as the starter at Texas. He has no guarantees of even playing at LSU next year. Also, Texas won the national title, LSU won the peach bowl. Nuff said.

I would like to see him trhow in the pros. Improving against Baylor and Okie St doesnt answer my questions.

LSU also played thru more hardship then any other college in history.. not including the NO colleges....

please dont start talkin about big 12 defenses b/c i could go all day about the pathetic 10 ya boy was playin in.....

Im am not a fan of the PAC 10 trust me. But the fact is Lienharts ability to throw has never been in question. Plus he carved up a very good OU D that VY put up 86 yd passing 0 tds on last year. And he threw all over Texas's stout D.

with arguably the best wrs in college for the past 3 years.....

Don't get me started on hardships because of the storm. My house was wiped out because of that storm. I am still crashing on friends couches because of that storm. Tulane played eleven games in eleven different stadiums this year. That is hardship. Not having a couple of games postponed because of a storm. LSU may have had a more difficult season than normal, but that doesn't exscuse blowing a three td lead at home against a pathetic Tennessee team.

sick'em pak...

You ever think that the QB had something to do with those WRs success? What is Mike Williams doing now without him?

OK Im done I have had my fill of taking up for USC. I hate those B*****Ds. I just feel that , even though I cant stand him, Linehart is the best pick.

You know that's right and I like that Pathetic Ten remark, righto chap, righto.