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i would hope so... thats all he does all year long... and i hope u do know.... that when he says leinert is a better qb then VY... he doesnt mean that leinert is like god and VY is a high school qb... he just means that he is "slightly" better at this point in their careers....

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I have not bashed VY. As a matter of fact I said that I would still be happy if we pick him. I just think that Lienart is the better pick.

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but Y
i want to know Y... do u think that VY will be a bust? i just dont see ur understanding...

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the reason i think u want leinert is b/c he is a better qb now... but we are drafting both of these guys on their potential of what they will become so Y wouldnt u want the guy who has the best chance to be better then the other?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

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I didnt say he would be a bust. I just said that if the saints got him i would still be happy. YOu have to rather one. Why do you rather VY.

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Hey Pakman, some of us are listening.

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I would rather draft a guy that I know is good then a guy who might be later?

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b/c i think he has the best chance to become a great qb.... i dont think that leinert will be all that in the pros....im sure he will be a descent qb but most qbs coming out of college who were deemed "the greatest college qb of all time" dont really transition well to the NFL....

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No one has tried to contest it, so they are either not listening, or they haven't watched him play except for bowl games and looking at his stats and the ESPN highlight reel.

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i never said that young wont be good now... i said that he has the chance to become even better then leinert

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Too many ifs with both qbs. but VY is amazing. i just wonder how good he is under center and dropping back. i agree about the usc hype in the media. Hey mighty12 did you get a chance to watch Mike Hass WR, 6-1, 209 lbs, Oregon St. on the arm forces net. much. what do you think? I really like his guts over the middle and has great hands. I am thinking #3 reciever

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i also believe that Leinerts stats are overconsidered when he is called a great qb.... the guy has loads of talent around him and i believe that it makes him look better then he actually is....

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My point is why take the chance that one day he may be better than lienart.

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we already have a #3 reciever at the moment... his name is Devery Henderson.....

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By the way Peyton was considered one of the "greatest college QBs" I think he does ok in the leauge. What makes Peyton so good. Its nothing physical. its all mental he studies the game and can read defenses better than anyone. Lienart does the same thing.

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b/c its not like leinert grades out that much higher then VY at qb....but he has the chance to become a much better football player....

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No he doesnt...prove to me where u know for a fact that he studies the game as much as peyton manning...
and manning studies football an insane amount of time each week...

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No I didn't even see 1 OSU game, so I have no opinion on that, but if he goes over the middle fearlessly and is 6'1" I think it is something to look for. You usally don't see that in a mid-sized reciever only in like 5'9" to 5'11" guys compensating for the height. Do you have any of his accomplishments?

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there is also a chance with his akward mechanics and lesss than polished quarterback skills that he could fall even further when faced with complex NFL Defenses.

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omg... i give up... its like talkin to a wall...

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We'll see what happens in April.

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Collin Cowherd to an interview wiht him where he simply hug out with the guy all day. He had one class. He spent most of the day with Steve Sarkisian going over the offense and opposing Defenses.

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jeez I need to go to sleep my sleeping is getting terrible.

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crap spelling

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Peyton Manning is a RARE QB. He has size, strength, and is not rattled in the pocket. He is highly intelligent in Defensive schemes. He played against SEC teams who at the time were FEARED defensive teams, and he picked them apart lke he was still in High School. I have rated VY over ML and WILL NEVER make the comparison of him and someone like Steve Young. You just gotta wait and see.

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So your basic theory is that there is no chance VY drops off in the pros?

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make up your mind. its ok to compare him to whurffel but not peyton.?

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on that note im out. good night all

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I see people talking bad about the OL and how a Lienart would be killed. Well, let's look at the total number of sacks given up per game: 1, 4, 3, 1, 4, 2, 4, 6, 3, 1, 1, 2, 3, 1, 1, 4. For a total of: 41 or 2.5 per game. It that good? No. Is it David Carr ego crippling? No. Also remember that five of thos games were against the top three D's in the NFL and that's not so bad.

In fact Carolina (#3D) had only 2 sacks against us, in two games. Chicago (#2D) had a respectable 3, in one game. And Tampa Bay (#1D) had 6, in two games. Todd Bouman had only a 2.25 sack per game ratio, and he's not considered a mobile QB, Aaron Brooks had a 2.66 sack per game average, and he IS considered mobile.

The point here is that the OL isn't so bad that a non-mobile QB would be screwed. But that the two QBs that were there WERE BALL HOLDERS, not throwing it away when it needed to be. A good QB with good D reading abilities will get rid of it and I think Matt Lienart has a slight edge over Vince Young in that area. Guy's the extra year has to count for something.

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Have a good one Sarge it's been a long day but very entertaining.

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I compared what they did in College YES! and if you actually read it I stated ML IS NOT Woefull so let's see............... there was no comparison to his pro stats and what Leinart may do in the pros. You are taking a Hall of Fame pro QB and trying to compare what Peyton does in the NFL to what ML MAY do in the NFL. Too bad you left I was just having fun.

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OK well, I live in Dallas, and I can tell you from watching this season's college football that the Big 12 was BY FAR the worst conference in football.

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Actually, Cher has been talking about taking Jacobs. So yes, Jacobs is a worse QB.

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Yes the big 12 was by far the worst combined conference but not defensively the Pac-10 holds that achievement.........I want to know who you guys think should lead our team.....A guy who after a loss says it was all his defenses fault, and that they would have won if would have been on another team, or a guy who praises his team no matter the outcome. There is a fine line between arogance and confidence. With the rep our team has we have to choose our players wisely.

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Jacobs is not as good as Leinhart or Young but a great value pick at number 34 and will get the job done. I just think we need the defense and picks if we can get them for trading down a spot or two.

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Well I think I am gonna follow Sarge. I gotta wake up in the morning. Thanks for the fun.

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It's been real 12, see ya back soon.