Leinart

CheramieIII · 01-09-2006, 12:29 AM

I really think we should take Hawk and then Jacobs at 34. All of the good LB's are going to be gone at that point in the draft.

BJSim · 01-09-2006, 12:33 AM

So you really didn't answer any of the big questions. Who then QBs next year, and an O or D minded coach?

If you go with an O minded coach then ML is your pick. If you go D, then trade down and get a boatload of D players and pick-up a QB in FA. But who? I say take the chance on Brees.

TheDeuce · 01-09-2006, 12:34 AM

Leinart's name doesn't do that, just like Eli's name didn't put more fans in the seats at Giant's stadium

It doesn't? A Heisman winner that won 34 straight games and led one of college football's greatest offenses to a national championship coming in to replace an awful Aaron Brooks isn't going to put more fans in the stands? What will? A LB who didn't win the Chuck Bednarik or Dick Butkus Awards? Right.....

I can't believe that almost everyone on the board has gone for yelling for defense the last three or four years to, "we need Leinart

I was one of those people who was calling for defense, but that was when our defense was awful. Now our offense is awful, and I'm calling for offense.

CheramieIII · 01-09-2006, 12:39 AM

With another QB and that could be AMAC, another 1 or 2 OL and a good OC and head coach and it's not so bad.

GoldenTomb · 01-09-2006, 12:40 AM

He said Jacobs...that's Omar Jacobs, QB from Bowling Green @ pick #34. That way we have our rookie QB, albeit not as talented as Leinart, plus we have addressed a major need at LB.

CheramieIII · 01-09-2006, 12:43 AM

Thank you GT, I think if we can pick up a vet to get us through next year and with AMAC and Jacobs the QB situation is not that bad at all. Defense

kevinn1972 · 01-09-2006, 07:29 AM

Look, it's not that I don't know how important the defense is. It's that, if you look at all of the truly top teams in the NFL, the ones that are threats for the Super Bowl, they all have a QB who has command of the huddle and can make plays. With the exception of the Ravens, no team that I can think of has won the SB without having a commanding QB who makes plays. And that what we eventually want, right, is a Super Bowl. I know that I don't want more seasons of unfulfilled promise. I want the Saints to be World Champions (whooo, that kind of made me a little light-headed getting that out).

Our defense is currently alot closer to being good than our offense is. 14th really wasn't a bad rating considering that they got absolutely no help at all from the offense. Field position and offensive turnovers were a problem all season and I thought the defense still performed admirably under the circumstances.

And, I gotta tell ya, I don't understand the infatuation with Omar Jacobs. Cher, you're talking like he's THE man, and I'm just curious what has got you so sold on the guy. And, I don't think he'd be there at 34 if he's that good anyway. One more thing, we're going to have a real problem attracting decent FA's, so I don't have a whole lot of optimism for getting a veteran QB who can really make a difference.

TheDeuce · 01-09-2006, 11:56 AM

Thank you kevin, great post. THe infatuation is unbelievable. Cher has no basis for liking Jacobs, except for the fact that he would allow these miracle trade downs and Oakland trades to come through. But Jacobs was hurt this year, and when he did play, his numbers were way down this year. The kid is a good player, real athletic, but he's not ready for the NFL.

Thank you GT, I think if we can pick up a vet to get us through next year and with AMAC and Jacobs the QB situation is not that bad at all. Defense

You don't take three mediocre/bad QBs (Kerry Collins or Kitna or Volek, AMAC, and Jacobs) and say that the quarterback position is settled. It doesn't matter how many talented QBs you have, you have to have ONE really good quarterback. It's quality, not quantity (See the Colts).

Do we need help on defense? Sure. Our LBs are awful, and we could use another DT or CB. But does our offense need MORE help? YES!!!!!!!!!! That's why we need to go with a franchise quarterback. A guy who can lead this team like AB hasn't been able to do. And then, if we take Leinart at number two, we can still get a great LB at 34th. DOES ANYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT????

saintswhodi · 01-09-2006, 12:01 PM

Wow. Those last two posts were spot on. Good work fellas.

papz · 01-09-2006, 12:24 PM

Should we pass on Leinart at #2? Absolutely not.

If we do trade down though, should we consider Jacobs in the second? Definately.

If you've seen Jacobs play, then you would have to agree the guy is very good. When he's on the field, he makes everyone around him better. He has good size, very athletic, and an accurate arm. He's definately not on Leinart's level, as in top 10 pick, but what other quarterback in the draft is? So IF he's there in the second and we PASSED on Leinart, I would not be disappointed to see him in a Saints uniform.

01-09-2006, 12:29 AM	#11
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	RE: Leinart I really think we should take Hawk and then Jacobs at 34. All of the good LB's are going to be gone at that point in the draft.

01-09-2006, 12:33 AM	#12
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	RE: Leinart So you really didn't answer any of the big questions. Who then QBs next year, and an O or D minded coach? If you go with an O minded coach then ML is your pick. If you go D, then trade down and get a boatload of D players and pick-up a QB in FA. But who? I say take the chance on Brees.

01-09-2006, 12:34 AM	#13
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: Leinart Leinart's name doesn't do that, just like Eli's name didn't put more fans in the seats at Giant's stadium It doesn't? A Heisman winner that won 34 straight games and led one of college football's greatest offenses to a national championship coming in to replace an awful Aaron Brooks isn't going to put more fans in the stands? What will? A LB who didn't win the Chuck Bednarik or Dick Butkus Awards? Right..... I can't believe that almost everyone on the board has gone for yelling for defense the last three or four years to, "we need Leinart I was one of those people who was calling for defense, but that was when our defense was awful. Now our offense is awful, and I'm calling for offense.
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01-09-2006, 12:39 AM	#14
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	RE: Leinart With another QB and that could be AMAC, another 1 or 2 OL and a good OC and head coach and it's not so bad.

01-09-2006, 12:40 AM	#15
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	RE: Leinart He said Jacobs...that's Omar Jacobs, QB from Bowling Green @ pick #34. That way we have our rookie QB, albeit not as talented as Leinart, plus we have addressed a major need at LB.
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01-09-2006, 12:43 AM	#16
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	RE: Leinart Thank you GT, I think if we can pick up a vet to get us through next year and with AMAC and Jacobs the QB situation is not that bad at all. Defense

01-09-2006, 07:29 AM	#17
kevinn1972 Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 71	Look, it's not that I don't know how important the defense is. It's that, if you look at all of the truly top teams in the NFL, the ones that are threats for the Super Bowl, they all have a QB who has command of the huddle and can make plays. With the exception of the Ravens, no team that I can think of has won the SB without having a commanding QB who makes plays. And that what we eventually want, right, is a Super Bowl. I know that I don't want more seasons of unfulfilled promise. I want the Saints to be World Champions (whooo, that kind of made me a little light-headed getting that out). Our defense is currently alot closer to being good than our offense is. 14th really wasn't a bad rating considering that they got absolutely no help at all from the offense. Field position and offensive turnovers were a problem all season and I thought the defense still performed admirably under the circumstances. And, I gotta tell ya, I don't understand the infatuation with Omar Jacobs. Cher, you're talking like he's THE man, and I'm just curious what has got you so sold on the guy. And, I don't think he'd be there at 34 if he's that good anyway. One more thing, we're going to have a real problem attracting decent FA's, so I don't have a whole lot of optimism for getting a veteran QB who can really make a difference.
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01-09-2006, 11:56 AM	#18
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Thank you kevin, great post. THe infatuation is unbelievable. Cher has no basis for liking Jacobs, except for the fact that he would allow these miracle trade downs and Oakland trades to come through. But Jacobs was hurt this year, and when he did play, his numbers were way down this year. The kid is a good player, real athletic, but he's not ready for the NFL. Thank you GT, I think if we can pick up a vet to get us through next year and with AMAC and Jacobs the QB situation is not that bad at all. Defense You don't take three mediocre/bad QBs (Kerry Collins or Kitna or Volek, AMAC, and Jacobs) and say that the quarterback position is settled. It doesn't matter how many talented QBs you have, you have to have ONE really good quarterback. It's quality, not quantity (See the Colts). Do we need help on defense? Sure. Our LBs are awful, and we could use another DT or CB. But does our offense need MORE help? YES!!!!!!!!!! That's why we need to go with a franchise quarterback. A guy who can lead this team like AB hasn't been able to do. And then, if we take Leinart at number two, we can still get a great LB at 34th. DOES ANYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT????
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01-09-2006, 12:01 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Wow. Those last two posts were spot on. Good work fellas.

01-09-2006, 12:24 PM	#20
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Should we pass on Leinart at #2? Absolutely not. If we do trade down though, should we consider Jacobs in the second? Definately. If you've seen Jacobs play, then you would have to agree the guy is very good. When he's on the field, he makes everyone around him better. He has good size, very athletic, and an accurate arm. He's definately not on Leinart's level, as in top 10 pick, but what other quarterback in the draft is? So IF he's there in the second and we PASSED on Leinart, I would not be disappointed to see him in a Saints uniform.