Leinart

BooBirdSaint · 01-09-2006, 12:25 PM

If the Saints choose Martz as our next head coach then you can count on Leinart coming with the second pick. Martz loves a three step drop back passer.

gandhi1007 · 01-09-2006, 03:42 PM

What sounds better in rounds 1 & 2?

Matt Leinart & Bobby Carpenter (or Abdul Hodge)
or
A.J. Hawk & Omar Jacobs

I like the 1st scenario a heck of a lot better.

P.S.- Danny Weurfell wasn't 6'5" 220 lbs. or nearly as polished as Leinart.

TheDeuce · 01-09-2006, 03:54 PM

O and just keep adding to the linebacker depth in this draft... Ernie Sims is coming out.....

What sounds better in rounds 1 & 2?

Matt Leinart & Bobby Carpenter (or Abdul Hodge)
or
A.J. Hawk & Omar Jacobs

I like the 1st scenario a heck of a lot better.

Exactly. Give me the stud (proven) QB and a stud LB.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-09-2006, 04:07 PM

...wow...

..couple of quick hits here...

Here's a list of college QBs who are HEISMAN THROPHY WINNERS in the past 20 years, before Leinart:

Eric Crouch
Carson Palmer
Ty Detmer
Jason White
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerffel
Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Andre Ware

I'm sure if you want a HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER, we can get the Panthers to give us Weinke for a 2nd or 3rd rounder...hey, he even is 6'4", comes from a winning program, and does have a strong arm.

... no one likes losing... you don't get to be a college QB in a major program if you "like losing"... being pissed off after a loss doesn't prove anything, other than you get pissed off after you lose a big game.

I don't think Leinart is all that.

..another thing...

... now that Haslett is gone, we are not really sure if Brooks is out also, since he didn't go with him... from here on, the keywords are "new coach's prerogative" and "re-structure"...

... scary, ain't it?

TheDeuce · 01-09-2006, 04:11 PM

Here's a list of college QBs who are HEISMAN THROPHY WINNERS in the past 20 years, before Leinart:

Eric Crouch
Carson Palmer
Ty Detmer
Jason White
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerffel
Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Andre Ware

But did any of these guys warrant the kind of NFL hype (at the QB position) that Leinart has? NO. A bunch of those guys were seen as playing a different position, and a few of them were never even considered being first day picks.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-09-2006, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Here's a list of college QBs who are HEISMAN THROPHY WINNERS in the past 20 years, before Leinart:

Eric Crouch
Carson Palmer
Ty Detmer
Jason White
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerffel
Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Andre Ware

But did any of these guys warrant the kind of NFL hype (at the QB position) that Leinart has? NO. A bunch of those guys were seen as playing a different position, and a few of them were never even considered being first day picks.

Fair enough...

Here's a partial list of QB's who, in their day, warranted the kind of NFL hype (at the QB position) that Leinart has today (athough all but one didn't win the Heisman):

Andre Ware (who's in the list above) 1st overall
Tim Couch 1st overall pick
Akili Smith 2nd overall
Ryan Leaf 2ndoverall
Cade McNown 6th overall?
Rick Mirer 8th overall?
Heath Shuler 3rd overall
Todd Marinovich 1st overall
David Klinger 1st overall
Jim Drukenmiller 3rd overall?
Jeff George 1st overall

I am probably wrong in some of the places, but all of these were first round, mega-hyped QBs..

I have to say I have absolutely nothing against Matt Leinart. I just don't think he's going to make a good QB in the NFL.

.. I was tempted to put Phillip Rivers and Eli on that list, since they got so much hype 2 years ago... but I'll give them a couple more years, when people realize that Eli ain't no Peyton, and Rivers can't beat Drew Brees in camp...

saintswhodi · 01-09-2006, 04:35 PM

There is no comparison to Leinart, cause not one of those QBs was called the best college QB ever. Not one. So that eliminates the entire list right there. But if we are just looking at mega hyped QBs, what about Peyton? What about Palmer? They were mega hyped but seemed to have been left off the list for all busts. Interesting. Still doesn't change the fact that NOONE has graded out as high as Leinart since Peyton. I think that would slightly alter the list of college QBs who are on his level, and make it look quite a bit more appealing.

TheDeuce · 01-09-2006, 04:39 PM

Same wave length here Whodi, and I'm lovin' it. Leinart is what this team needs, and has needed since Archie.

pakowitz · 01-09-2006, 04:46 PM

can someone post the grade report on him? i wanna read it

gandhi1007 · 01-09-2006, 05:01 PM

According to Mel Kiper, Leinart is still the best QB in the draft-no contest. Mel also has noted on all of his big boards that Leinart's arm is stronger than it was a year ago. As for the grade reports, I haven't seen any yet (probably waiting until the combines). However, I'm with you pak, I'd like to have a look at them myself. Great posts guys.

01-09-2006, 12:25 PM	#21
BooBirdSaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 273	RE: Leinart If the Saints choose Martz as our next head coach then you can count on Leinart coming with the second pick. Martz loves a three step drop back passer.

01-09-2006, 03:42 PM	#22
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	RE: Leinart What sounds better in rounds 1 & 2? Matt Leinart & Bobby Carpenter (or Abdul Hodge) or A.J. Hawk & Omar Jacobs I like the 1st scenario a heck of a lot better. P.S.- Danny Weurfell wasn't 6'5" 220 lbs. or nearly as polished as Leinart.

01-09-2006, 03:54 PM	#23
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: Leinart O and just keep adding to the linebacker depth in this draft... Ernie Sims is coming out..... What sounds better in rounds 1 & 2? Matt Leinart & Bobby Carpenter (or Abdul Hodge) or A.J. Hawk & Omar Jacobs I like the 1st scenario a heck of a lot better. Exactly. Give me the stud (proven) QB and a stud LB.
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01-09-2006, 04:07 PM	#24
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	...wow... ..couple of quick hits here... Here's a list of college QBs who are HEISMAN THROPHY WINNERS in the past 20 years, before Leinart: Eric Crouch Carson Palmer Ty Detmer Jason White Chris Weinke Danny Wuerffel Gino Torretta Charlie Ward Andre Ware I'm sure if you want a HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER, we can get the Panthers to give us Weinke for a 2nd or 3rd rounder...hey, he even is 6'4", comes from a winning program, and does have a strong arm. ... no one likes losing... you don't get to be a college QB in a major program if you "like losing"... being pissed off after a loss doesn't prove anything, other than you get pissed off after you lose a big game. I don't think Leinart is all that. ..another thing... ... now that Haslett is gone, we are not really sure if Brooks is out also, since he didn't go with him... from here on, the keywords are "new coach's prerogative" and "re-structure"... ... scary, ain't it?
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01-09-2006, 04:11 PM	#25
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Here's a list of college QBs who are HEISMAN THROPHY WINNERS in the past 20 years, before Leinart: Eric Crouch Carson Palmer Ty Detmer Jason White Chris Weinke Danny Wuerffel Gino Torretta Charlie Ward Andre Ware But did any of these guys warrant the kind of NFL hype (at the QB position) that Leinart has? NO. A bunch of those guys were seen as playing a different position, and a few of them were never even considered being first day picks.
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01-09-2006, 04:27 PM	#26
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by TheDeuce Here's a list of college QBs who are HEISMAN THROPHY WINNERS in the past 20 years, before Leinart: Eric Crouch Carson Palmer Ty Detmer Jason White Chris Weinke Danny Wuerffel Gino Torretta Charlie Ward Andre Ware But did any of these guys warrant the kind of NFL hype (at the QB position) that Leinart has? NO. A bunch of those guys were seen as playing a different position, and a few of them were never even considered being first day picks. Fair enough... Here's a partial list of QB's who, in their day, warranted the kind of NFL hype (at the QB position) that Leinart has today (athough all but one didn't win the Heisman): Andre Ware (who's in the list above) 1st overall Tim Couch 1st overall pick Akili Smith 2nd overall Ryan Leaf 2ndoverall Cade McNown 6th overall? Rick Mirer 8th overall? Heath Shuler 3rd overall Todd Marinovich 1st overall David Klinger 1st overall Jim Drukenmiller 3rd overall? Jeff George 1st overall I am probably wrong in some of the places, but all of these were first round, mega-hyped QBs.. I have to say I have absolutely nothing against Matt Leinart. I just don't think he's going to make a good QB in the NFL. .. I was tempted to put Phillip Rivers and Eli on that list, since they got so much hype 2 years ago... but I'll give them a couple more years, when people realize that Eli ain't no Peyton, and Rivers can't beat Drew Brees in camp...
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01-09-2006, 04:35 PM	#27
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	There is no comparison to Leinart, cause not one of those QBs was called the best college QB ever. Not one. So that eliminates the entire list right there. But if we are just looking at mega hyped QBs, what about Peyton? What about Palmer? They were mega hyped but seemed to have been left off the list for all busts. Interesting. Still doesn't change the fact that NOONE has graded out as high as Leinart since Peyton. I think that would slightly alter the list of college QBs who are on his level, and make it look quite a bit more appealing.

01-09-2006, 04:39 PM	#28
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Same wave length here Whodi, and I'm lovin' it. Leinart is what this team needs, and has needed since Archie.
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01-09-2006, 04:46 PM	#29
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	can someone post the grade report on him? i wanna read it

01-09-2006, 05:01 PM	#30
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	According to Mel Kiper, Leinart is still the best QB in the draft-no contest. Mel also has noted on all of his big boards that Leinart's arm is stronger than it was a year ago. As for the grade reports, I haven't seen any yet (probably waiting until the combines). However, I'm with you pak, I'd like to have a look at them myself. Great posts guys.