Leinart

Tobias-Reiper · 01-09-2006, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

There is no comparison to Leinart, cause not one of those QBs was called the best college QB ever. Not one. So that eliminates the entire list right there. But if we are just looking at mega hyped QBs, what about Peyton? What about Palmer? They were mega hyped but seemed to have been left off the list for all busts. Interesting. Still doesn't change the fact that NOONE has graded out as high as Leinart since Peyton. I think that would slightly alter the list of college QBs who are on his level, and make it look quite a bit more appealing.

Whodi, this response coming from you really surprises me.

I didn't let Palmer out. He's right there on the list of Heisman trophy winners, right under Crouch, the lone exception to the rule.

Lest you forget, the year Peyton was drafted, the hype was around one Ryan Leaf, not Peyton.So much was Leaf hyped that the Chargers picked him up with the 2nd overall that year, and it was reported repeatedly, before and after that draft, that many NFL teams had Leaf rated higher than Manning.

The same people who are calling Leinart the "best college QB ever" are the very same people who called USC "the best team ever" and augured a "three-peat", knowing fully well that USC had won on the field a single championship. Now, what does that do to the "best college QB ever" argument? I mean, imagine the "best college team ever" led by "the best college QB ever" being outplayed by one dumbass QB from Texas on the "biggest college game ever"...

saintswhodi · 01-09-2006, 05:22 PM

Occasionally, David beats Goliath TR. I don't see how that is backing your point. The same people who called USC the best college team ever, acknowledged over and over that the 2004 USC team would beat this one, cause of their defense. They also ascknowledged that they would lose to the Canes from a few years back. So that hype was backed off of, but not Leinart as the best college QB ever.

Also, some boards had Leaf ahead of Peyton, some didn't. I don't know what exactly that proves. Some boards will have young ahead of Leinart, that's all depending on need. Some board will have Ferguson as the number one player. That's all very subjective, and proves absolutely nothing. And last but not least, Leaf was not getting more hype than Manning. If anything it was close to the same, but Manning was very much hyped as a great pro prospect. Worked out didn't it? I'll take my chances Leinart will.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-09-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Occasionally, David beats Goliath TR. I don't see how that is backing your point. The same people who called USC the best college team ever, acknowledged over and over that the 2004 USC team would beat this one, cause of their defense. They also ascknowledged that they would lose to the Canes from a few years back. So that hype was backed off of, but not Leinart as the best college QB ever.

Also, some boards had Leaf ahead of Peyton, some didn't. I don't know what exactly that proves. Some boards will have young ahead of Leinart, that's all depending on need. Some board will have Ferguson as the number one player. That's all very subjective, and proves absolutely nothing. And last but not least, Leaf was not getting more hype than Manning. If anything it was close to the same, but Manning was very much hyped as a great pro prospect. Worked out didn't it? I'll take my chances Leinart will.

Ok, Whodi, if whatever amount of evidence I post proves absolutely nothing, what do Leinart being called the best college QB ever and being graded the same or higher than Manning prove in relation to Leinart's success in the NFL?

The hype on USC being the best team ever was backed off of because they got beat, period.

And sorry, but Leaf was hyped much more than Manning before the college season ended up to the draft. Peyton was hyped much more the year before...

gandhi1007 · 01-09-2006, 05:42 PM

Just so everyone knows, Bill Walsh finally spoke about this year's draft. According to Bill Walsh, Matt Leinart is the best QB prospect he's seen since Peyton Manning. Walsh also stated that had Leinart been there in last year's draft, there is no doubt that San Francisco would have taken him instead of Alex Smith. I don't know, but Walsh is usually pretty good at evaluating QB's (Montana, Young). I'll put my stock with the kid from USC, loss or no loss in the Rose Bowl.

Oh yeah, Walsh also said New Orleans would be crazy not to draft Leinart at #2.

saintswhodi · 01-09-2006, 05:42 PM

TR, I think i'll just disagree on ALL of that, and leave it alone. You know where I stand, I know where you stand. We'll see where the Saints stand in April.

ghandi, I read that article. I am sure now people will try to discredit Bill Walsh.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-09-2006, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Just so everyone knows, Bill Walsh finally spoke about this year's draft. According to Bill Walsh, Matt Leinart is the best QB prospect he's seen since Peyton Manning. Walsh also stated that had Leinart been there in last year's draft, there is no doubt that San Francisco would have taken him instead of Alex Smith. I don't know, but Walsh is usually pretty good at evaluating QB's (Montana, Young). I'll put my stock with the kid from USC, loss or no loss in the Rose Bowl.

Oh yeah, Walsh also said New Orleans would be crazy not to draft Leinart at #2.

Cool...

Out of curiosity, do you know what did he say about Druckenmiller when he was an advisor for the whiners?

And before anyone gets all bent out of shape, as much as I hate to say it, Bill Walsh is one of the greatest coaches ever to coach the game. No question about that.

One thing that I have always been curious about: did Walsh pick Montana, or was it the whiners GM?

Tobias-Reiper · 01-09-2006, 06:59 PM

... I can't edit the above post, but I think Bill Walsh was actually the GM when the whiners picked both Druckenmiller AND Jeff Garcia?

MordorIV · 01-09-2006, 07:00 PM

I think Hawk too but if Leinart or Vince is there i dont know.

jegirouard · 01-09-2006, 07:11 PM

good point my man. if we draft leinart then we will get a a great leader such as peyton manning. this guy has a heisman trophy and a national championship under his belt. the main thing is he knows HOW TO WIN!

gandhi1007 · 01-09-2006, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Cool...

Out of curiosity, do you know what did he say about Druckenmiller when he was an advisor for the whiners?

I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't "the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning."

01-09-2006, 05:17 PM	#31
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by saintswhodi There is no comparison to Leinart, cause not one of those QBs was called the best college QB ever. Not one. So that eliminates the entire list right there. But if we are just looking at mega hyped QBs, what about Peyton? What about Palmer? They were mega hyped but seemed to have been left off the list for all busts. Interesting. Still doesn't change the fact that NOONE has graded out as high as Leinart since Peyton. I think that would slightly alter the list of college QBs who are on his level, and make it look quite a bit more appealing. Whodi, this response coming from you really surprises me. I didn't let Palmer out. He's right there on the list of Heisman trophy winners, right under Crouch, the lone exception to the rule. Lest you forget, the year Peyton was drafted, the hype was around one Ryan Leaf, not Peyton.So much was Leaf hyped that the Chargers picked him up with the 2nd overall that year, and it was reported repeatedly, before and after that draft, that many NFL teams had Leaf rated higher than Manning. The same people who are calling Leinart the "best college QB ever" are the very same people who called USC "the best team ever" and augured a "three-peat", knowing fully well that USC had won on the field a single championship. Now, what does that do to the "best college QB ever" argument? I mean, imagine the "best college team ever" led by "the best college QB ever" being outplayed by one dumbass QB from Texas on the "biggest college game ever"...
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01-09-2006, 05:29 PM	#33
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Occasionally, David beats Goliath TR. I don't see how that is backing your point. The same people who called USC the best college team ever, acknowledged over and over that the 2004 USC team would beat this one, cause of their defense. They also ascknowledged that they would lose to the Canes from a few years back. So that hype was backed off of, but not Leinart as the best college QB ever. Also, some boards had Leaf ahead of Peyton, some didn't. I don't know what exactly that proves. Some boards will have young ahead of Leinart, that's all depending on need. Some board will have Ferguson as the number one player. That's all very subjective, and proves absolutely nothing. And last but not least, Leaf was not getting more hype than Manning. If anything it was close to the same, but Manning was very much hyped as a great pro prospect. Worked out didn't it? I'll take my chances Leinart will. Ok, Whodi, if whatever amount of evidence I post proves absolutely nothing, what do Leinart being called the best college QB ever and being graded the same or higher than Manning prove in relation to Leinart's success in the NFL? The hype on USC being the best team ever was backed off of because they got beat, period. And sorry, but Leaf was hyped much more than Manning before the college season ended up to the draft. Peyton was hyped much more the year before...

01-09-2006, 05:42 PM	#34
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Just so everyone knows, Bill Walsh finally spoke about this year's draft. According to Bill Walsh, Matt Leinart is the best QB prospect he's seen since Peyton Manning. Walsh also stated that had Leinart been there in last year's draft, there is no doubt that San Francisco would have taken him instead of Alex Smith. I don't know, but Walsh is usually pretty good at evaluating QB's (Montana, Young). I'll put my stock with the kid from USC, loss or no loss in the Rose Bowl. Oh yeah, Walsh also said New Orleans would be crazy not to draft Leinart at #2.
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01-09-2006, 06:28 PM	#36
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Just so everyone knows, Bill Walsh finally spoke about this year's draft. According to Bill Walsh, Matt Leinart is the best QB prospect he's seen since Peyton Manning. Walsh also stated that had Leinart been there in last year's draft, there is no doubt that San Francisco would have taken him instead of Alex Smith. I don't know, but Walsh is usually pretty good at evaluating QB's (Montana, Young). I'll put my stock with the kid from USC, loss or no loss in the Rose Bowl. Oh yeah, Walsh also said New Orleans would be crazy not to draft Leinart at #2. Cool... Out of curiosity, do you know what did he say about Druckenmiller when he was an advisor for the whiners? And before anyone gets all bent out of shape, as much as I hate to say it, Bill Walsh is one of the greatest coaches ever to coach the game. No question about that. One thing that I have always been curious about: did Walsh pick Montana, or was it the whiners GM?

01-09-2006, 07:00 PM	#38
MordorIV 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 305	RE: Leinart I think Hawk too but if Leinart or Vince is there i dont know.

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01-09-2006, 05:22 PM	#32
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Occasionally, David beats Goliath TR. I don't see how that is backing your point. The same people who called USC the best college team ever, acknowledged over and over that the 2004 USC team would beat this one, cause of their defense. They also ascknowledged that they would lose to the Canes from a few years back. So that hype was backed off of, but not Leinart as the best college QB ever. Also, some boards had Leaf ahead of Peyton, some didn't. I don't know what exactly that proves. Some boards will have young ahead of Leinart, that's all depending on need. Some board will have Ferguson as the number one player. That's all very subjective, and proves absolutely nothing. And last but not least, Leaf was not getting more hype than Manning. If anything it was close to the same, but Manning was very much hyped as a great pro prospect. Worked out didn't it? I'll take my chances Leinart will.

01-09-2006, 06:59 PM	#37
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	... I can't edit the above post, but I think Bill Walsh was actually the GM when the whiners picked both Druckenmiller AND Jeff Garcia?

01-09-2006, 07:11 PM	#39
jegirouard 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 121	good point my man. if we draft leinart then we will get a a great leader such as peyton manning. this guy has a heisman trophy and a national championship under his belt. the main thing is he knows HOW TO WIN!
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01-09-2006, 07:17 PM	#40
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Cool... Out of curiosity, do you know what did he say about Druckenmiller when he was an advisor for the whiners? I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't "the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning."