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Alright guys. I'm sitting here reading everyone slamming Leinart and I'm thinking to myself, "What the F@#K?!" A large segment of the population on this board, myself included, has been slamming AB for some time now. It's repeatedly been said that if we had a fundamentally sound QB then we would have won a bunch of those games that we lost. We bit$%ed about the bone-headed decisions AB made. And, in my opinion, we were 100% right. Now, we have the opportunity to draft a HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER........ and all I'm hearing is how he sucks. Let me tell you, the guy doesn't suck. He may not be the second coming of Joe Montana, but he ain't going to be another Ryan Leaf, or even Gino Toretta for that matter. The guy is a proven winner. Comes from a professional style of offense. Has mad smarts. And, if you watched the post-game interviews after the Rose Bowl, he really doesn't like losing. That is what I want in my QB. People say that Drew Brees' arm isn't strong enough. Last I checked, that guy has turned into a damn decent QB with a very bright future if he recovers well from this surgery. Tom Brady does not have an exceptionally strong arm, but I don't know anyone that wouldn't take him on their team.
My point is, if you look at the guy's performance, he's a very sound QB. I know I wanted to see what McPherson could do at the end of the season, but we didn't get that. So, i really have no idea what he can truly give us at the position. However, with Leinart, we get a smart guy with big game experience that knows how to win, and has been playing every day for the last 3 years. I don't see how we don't take him. Without a quality QB, I just don't see this team going anywhere in the near future. And I don't believe that there are any other QB's coming out that have anywhere near the polish that Leinart has as a true passing QB. Young is a freak, man, and that's something to debate in another topic, but Leinart knows how to play the position. I say that's our future QB. |
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Lienart is the man. Good decission making skills and a drive to win. He should be able to walk in and take a leadership role. And best of all is that you could start him game one of next year and I don't think he'd panic one bit. He's been in too many big games to be that freaked by it.
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Yes a good post with some mistakes. You said we should take him because he is a Heisman trophey winner. Danny Woefull was a Heisman trophey winner with a similar team around him(Tall speedy recievers, quick running backs to throw screens to. Danny was also VERY smart. Danny also won BIG games like a National Campionship. Danny played in a better conference, but Danny had a weak arm, and Small hands. He didn't transition inot the NFL well at all. Although he was the NFLE MVP.) Will Leinart be the next Danny Woefull......NO, but will he save this team from a cellar dweller to a Super Bowl contender probably not in the first 3 years when we need it most. Face the facts guys we need to fill the seats this year or the NFL will say Benson is free to explore the outside world. Leinart's name doesn't do that, just like Eli's name didn't put more fans in the seats at Giant's stadium(Not that they needed it.) My biggest worry is BUTTs in the SEATS in '06. I hope Leinart goes somewhere where he CAN make a difference, but it will need to be a good system for QBs. Who do you think makes Tom Brady great? His coaches.
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I don't see too many people saying Leinart sucks, but if he started next year he would get killed and some members know how important the defense is and if you have been here for a few years you know we have not drafted alot of defensive picks in the first round, when we actually needed it. Defense will win for us in the future even if the offense doesn't show up.
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You getting tired yet cher? I am.
Just watching this weekends playoffs proved defenses can carry a so so offense. Not the other way around. Eli is lucky in his situation. next year he will be better and be back in the playoffs. without the defense it would all rest on his arm and he would be destroyed. he has made stides leaps and bounds over the last two years and this year his line will be upgraded results will be a division title is next year. the gaints are doing it right. he was not thrown to the wolves. See how we miss used or running backs this year. abandon the run and go to the pass. not smart football any young QB no matter how gifted will not survive if the defense can not keep them in the game. |
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Yeah I'm starting to slow down but I can't believe that almost everyone on the board has gone for yelling for defense the last three or four years to, "we need Leinart". I ain't buyin that and Benson won't want to pay for it either.
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By the way i am getting my son 2 season tickets for next year as a gift. I am on the east coast and thats the only butt i can get in the seats. more people should do the same team up buy season tickets no matter who we draft. Just be there
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I don't think that will be a problem. After what San Antonio pulled Nagin will make sure every home game is a sellout. If they can cheat so can we.
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One or two Defensive picks this year won't turn around the D. The right head coach and D-Coordinator will. But I completely agree the ignoring the D on draft day hasn't helped much, or any at all. This year is no different. But you trade down, take a DL or CB who can/should start. Great, now who's your QB?
This boards been all over AB for years, so hes out. Todd proved he's not that great, toss him too. And if Benson's not paying for Leinat then he's not paying for a free-agent QB a-la Brett Farve or Drew Brees (though both might actually go cheap). So, now a mediocre D is trying to cover for a bad to mediocre QB. That's just more losses. And our D wasn't THAT BAD. 14th isn't so horrible, it's didn't help the D that there were defending short feilds. It's a tough decissions to go D over O and would truely need to be the head coach's decission. So it really boils down to, do you want an O or D minded head coach next year? |
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I really think we should take Hawk and then Jacobs at 34. All of the good LB's are going to be gone at that point in the draft.
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So you really didn't answer any of the big questions. Who then QBs next year, and an O or D minded coach?
If you go with an O minded coach then ML is your pick. If you go D, then trade down and get a boatload of D players and pick-up a QB in FA. But who? I say take the chance on Brees. |
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With another QB and that could be AMAC, another 1 or 2 OL and a good OC and head coach and it's not so bad.
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He said Jacobs...that's Omar Jacobs, QB from Bowling Green @ pick #34. That way we have our rookie QB, albeit not as talented as Leinart, plus we have addressed a major need at LB.
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Thank you GT, I think if we can pick up a vet to get us through next year and with AMAC and Jacobs the QB situation is not that bad at all. Defense
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Look, it's not that I don't know how important the defense is. It's that, if you look at all of the truly top teams in the NFL, the ones that are threats for the Super Bowl, they all have a QB who has command of the huddle and can make plays. With the exception of the Ravens, no team that I can think of has won the SB without having a commanding QB who makes plays. And that what we eventually want, right, is a Super Bowl. I know that I don't want more seasons of unfulfilled promise. I want the Saints to be World Champions (whooo, that kind of made me a little light-headed getting that out).
Our defense is currently alot closer to being good than our offense is. 14th really wasn't a bad rating considering that they got absolutely no help at all from the offense. Field position and offensive turnovers were a problem all season and I thought the defense still performed admirably under the circumstances. And, I gotta tell ya, I don't understand the infatuation with Omar Jacobs. Cher, you're talking like he's THE man, and I'm just curious what has got you so sold on the guy. And, I don't think he'd be there at 34 if he's that good anyway. One more thing, we're going to have a real problem attracting decent FA's, so I don't have a whole lot of optimism for getting a veteran QB who can really make a difference. |
Thank you kevin, great post. THe infatuation is unbelievable. Cher has no basis for liking Jacobs, except for the fact that he would allow these miracle trade downs and Oakland trades to come through. But Jacobs was hurt this year, and when he did play, his numbers were way down this year. The kid is a good player, real athletic, but he's not ready for the NFL.
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Do we need help on defense? Sure. Our LBs are awful, and we could use another DT or CB. But does our offense need MORE help? YES!!!!!!!!!! That's why we need to go with a franchise quarterback. A guy who can lead this team like AB hasn't been able to do. And then, if we take Leinart at number two, we can still get a great LB at 34th. DOES ANYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT???? |
Wow. Those last two posts were spot on. Good work fellas.
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Should we pass on Leinart at #2? Absolutely not.
If we do trade down though, should we consider Jacobs in the second? Definately. If you've seen Jacobs play, then you would have to agree the guy is very good. When he's on the field, he makes everyone around him better. He has good size, very athletic, and an accurate arm. He's definately not on Leinart's level, as in top 10 pick, but what other quarterback in the draft is? So IF he's there in the second and we PASSED on Leinart, I would not be disappointed to see him in a Saints uniform. |
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If the Saints choose Martz as our next head coach then you can count on Leinart coming with the second pick. Martz loves a three step drop back passer.
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What sounds better in rounds 1 & 2?
Matt Leinart & Bobby Carpenter (or Abdul Hodge) or A.J. Hawk & Omar Jacobs I like the 1st scenario a heck of a lot better. P.S.- Danny Weurfell wasn't 6'5" 220 lbs. or nearly as polished as Leinart. |
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O and just keep adding to the linebacker depth in this draft... Ernie Sims is coming out.....
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..couple of quick hits here... Here's a list of college QBs who are HEISMAN THROPHY WINNERS in the past 20 years, before Leinart: Eric Crouch Carson Palmer Ty Detmer Jason White Chris Weinke Danny Wuerffel Gino Torretta Charlie Ward Andre Ware I'm sure if you want a HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER, we can get the Panthers to give us Weinke for a 2nd or 3rd rounder...hey, he even is 6'4", comes from a winning program, and does have a strong arm. ... no one likes losing... you don't get to be a college QB in a major program if you "like losing"... being pissed off after a loss doesn't prove anything, other than you get pissed off after you lose a big game. I don't think Leinart is all that. ..another thing... ... now that Haslett is gone, we are not really sure if Brooks is out also, since he didn't go with him... from here on, the keywords are "new coach's prerogative" and "re-structure"... ... scary, ain't it? |
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Here's a partial list of QB's who, in their day, warranted the kind of NFL hype (at the QB position) that Leinart has today (athough all but one didn't win the Heisman): Andre Ware (who's in the list above) 1st overall Tim Couch 1st overall pick Akili Smith 2nd overall Ryan Leaf 2ndoverall Cade McNown 6th overall? Rick Mirer 8th overall? Heath Shuler 3rd overall Todd Marinovich 1st overall David Klinger 1st overall Jim Drukenmiller 3rd overall? Jeff George 1st overall I am probably wrong in some of the places, but all of these were first round, mega-hyped QBs.. I have to say I have absolutely nothing against Matt Leinart. I just don't think he's going to make a good QB in the NFL. .. I was tempted to put Phillip Rivers and Eli on that list, since they got so much hype 2 years ago... but I'll give them a couple more years, when people realize that Eli ain't no Peyton, and Rivers can't beat Drew Brees in camp... |
There is no comparison to Leinart, cause not one of those QBs was called the best college QB ever. Not one. So that eliminates the entire list right there. But if we are just looking at mega hyped QBs, what about Peyton? What about Palmer? They were mega hyped but seemed to have been left off the list for all busts. Interesting. Still doesn't change the fact that NOONE has graded out as high as Leinart since Peyton. I think that would slightly alter the list of college QBs who are on his level, and make it look quite a bit more appealing.
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Same wave length here Whodi, and I'm lovin' it. Leinart is what this team needs, and has needed since Archie.
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can someone post the grade report on him? i wanna read it
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According to Mel Kiper, Leinart is still the best QB in the draft-no contest. Mel also has noted on all of his big boards that Leinart's arm is stronger than it was a year ago. As for the grade reports, I haven't seen any yet (probably waiting until the combines). However, I'm with you pak, I'd like to have a look at them myself. Great posts guys.
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I didn't let Palmer out. He's right there on the list of Heisman trophy winners, right under Crouch, the lone exception to the rule. Lest you forget, the year Peyton was drafted, the hype was around one Ryan Leaf, not Peyton.So much was Leaf hyped that the Chargers picked him up with the 2nd overall that year, and it was reported repeatedly, before and after that draft, that many NFL teams had Leaf rated higher than Manning. The same people who are calling Leinart the "best college QB ever" are the very same people who called USC "the best team ever" and augured a "three-peat", knowing fully well that USC had won on the field a single championship. Now, what does that do to the "best college QB ever" argument? I mean, imagine the "best college team ever" led by "the best college QB ever" being outplayed by one dumbass QB from Texas on the "biggest college game ever"... |
Occasionally, David beats Goliath TR. I don't see how that is backing your point. The same people who called USC the best college team ever, acknowledged over and over that the 2004 USC team would beat this one, cause of their defense. They also ascknowledged that they would lose to the Canes from a few years back. So that hype was backed off of, but not Leinart as the best college QB ever.
Also, some boards had Leaf ahead of Peyton, some didn't. I don't know what exactly that proves. Some boards will have young ahead of Leinart, that's all depending on need. Some board will have Ferguson as the number one player. That's all very subjective, and proves absolutely nothing. And last but not least, Leaf was not getting more hype than Manning. If anything it was close to the same, but Manning was very much hyped as a great pro prospect. Worked out didn't it? I'll take my chances Leinart will. |
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The hype on USC being the best team ever was backed off of because they got beat, period. And sorry, but Leaf was hyped much more than Manning before the college season ended up to the draft. Peyton was hyped much more the year before... |
Just so everyone knows, Bill Walsh finally spoke about this year's draft. According to Bill Walsh, Matt Leinart is the best QB prospect he's seen since Peyton Manning. Walsh also stated that had Leinart been there in last year's draft, there is no doubt that San Francisco would have taken him instead of Alex Smith. I don't know, but Walsh is usually pretty good at evaluating QB's (Montana, Young). I'll put my stock with the kid from USC, loss or no loss in the Rose Bowl.
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TR, I think i'll just disagree on ALL of that, and leave it alone. You know where I stand, I know where you stand. We'll see where the Saints stand in April.
ghandi, I read that article. I am sure now people will try to discredit Bill Walsh. :roll: |
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Out of curiosity, do you know what did he say about Druckenmiller when he was an advisor for the whiners? And before anyone gets all bent out of shape, as much as I hate to say it, Bill Walsh is one of the greatest coaches ever to coach the game. No question about that. One thing that I have always been curious about: did Walsh pick Montana, or was it the whiners GM? :) |
... I can't edit the above post, but I think Bill Walsh was actually the GM when the whiners picked both Druckenmiller AND Jeff Garcia?
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I think Hawk too but if Leinart or Vince is there i dont know.
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good point my man. if we draft leinart then we will get a a great leader such as peyton manning. this guy has a heisman trophy and a national championship under his belt. the main thing is he knows HOW TO WIN!
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