T.O. to N.O.????

BlackandBlue · 01-10-2006, 09:38 PM

First, the Saints need to pick up a few key free agents in order to be competative next year. We can't realistically expect the draft to fill all the needs for this team.

I agree. But I can pass on this one.

Second, the buzz is that the Saints are going to have a hard time picking up free agents due to the condition of the city and the unsettled-ness of the franchise. (I don't know if this will prove to be true or not, but for argument, let's assume that free agents aren't going to be lining up in Metarie to play for us)

This was being mentioned before the franchise had a direction. We know they will be in New Orleans for at least another year or two, if not longer.

Third, we have one elite WR who seems to be deteriorating physically. We have 2 other high draft pick WRs that still aren't regular contributors. So it might be nice to bring in another option at the position. I wouldn't relish the idea of 10 weeks of Stallworth one side and Henderson or Hakim on the other.

There will be other free agent wide receivers, not of his caliber, but not high-risk, like TO.

Fourth, TO needs a place to play and a place to rehab his image (to what extent he can. please hear me say that "rehabbing" will mean washing a bit more mud off of the pig). Coming to New Orleans gives him opportunity to say nice things like "I'm here to help this franchise and this great city get back on it's feet".

If you think your normal free agent wouldn't want to sign here, what makes you think the biggest ego in the NFL would? He will control where he goes, my money says he's a Bronco by training camp.

Fifth, I doubt TO will be generating interest in a top dollar contract. He should be affordable for a single season.

He'll get paid- that's how all this BS started.

Sixth, as in Philly's super bowl run, TO can be a great team mate and league leading WR for a single year. I don't think that GT is suggesting that we draw up a multi gazillion dollar deal to guarantee that TO retires a Saint. But for one year, he could really be a nice pickup. I wouldn't even suggest giving him an extension past one season, unless we're talking a year to year arrangement, but he bites every organization he's with past the first year.

Teammate? Come on, BMG. I worked with a guy like this. Loud, obnoxious, but had skills. Led the sales team, but eventually took down half the company, to further his own gains. No thanks, I'll pass.

Seventh, collossal A-hole or not, the guy has skills. Defenses have to account for him all the time. A recovering Deuce would probably like that he's never going to see 8 in the box with TO on the field.

Risk-vs-reward.

Eighth, the guy is totally self centered. He's no more a cancer than any number of other guys who have played in this league or on this team. Conrad Dobler anyone? I don't want the guy to teach sunday school, but for 16-20 games, he's sure good at catching the football.

Dobler was loved by his teammates, it was the players that he played against that hated him. That, I like.

GT is dead right in his larger point. We must have free agent help for next year. Is there anyone out there that we might be able to attract or should we pursue?

Not sure, haven't checked. Too busy watching tivo'd college games

GoldenTomb · 01-10-2006, 10:18 PM

In any event, i would love to hear some opinions on what could work instead since they don't think the T.O. thing is a good idea.

There won't be any WR in the ballpark of what T.O. could bring to the table, or generate the excitement and attention this club needs to draw fans back to the dome. But you're right...let's get Troy Brown instead. He's low risk. We don't need to get any high profile FAs. Let's just continue to do what we've always done. After all the team will be here for a year or two.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-10-2006, 10:46 PM

..you know...

... all the talking heads on ESPN and FOX keep on blabbing about how good Owens is, and how he is "arguably the best receiver in football"..
EXCUSE ME, "ARGUABLY" HE ISN'T EVEN THE BEST RECEIVER IN HIS DIVISION , much less in the entire NFL.

Seriously, what makes Owens so good?
Good hands? No. When was the last time you saw Owens make a spectacular catch? And he drops his share of passes.
Speed? Ok. Betcha Donte is faster and can catch as many balls and rack YAC if he'd be thrown the same amount of "hit me in the numbers in stride" passes his way by McNabb, running plays drawn out by Reid.

What exactly is the benefit of paying millions to Owens? Didn't help the Eagles a bit... mattter of fact, it destroyed them.

If you are trying to redirect a team in disarray, the last player you want is Owens.

BlackandBlue · 01-11-2006, 07:41 AM

In any event, i would love to hear some opinions on what could work instead since they don't think the T.O. thing is a good idea.

There won't be any WR in the ballpark of what T.O. could bring to the table, or generate the excitement and attention this club needs to draw fans back to the dome. But you're right...let's get Troy Brown instead. He's low risk. We don't need to get any high profile FAs. Let's just continue to do what we've always done. After all the team will be here for a year or two.

What? You're acting as if you have the right to demand a secondary solution, like you originally brought this information to the table, and are offended. Here's one- keep what we have, focus our attention on other positions of need. There, you have an alternate solution- happy now?

This is a message board. The decision makers within the organization DO NOT come here for ideas, ok? They don't come here for draft tips, or game footage breakdown....hell, I'm not sure they even come here at all, as much as that might pain some of you.
We come here to talk, voice our opinions, and joke around. We're not influential to the organization, in any aspect. So why are you asking people to come up with solutions to a problem that doesn't exist? Why can't I voice my opinion on the subject of the thread?

GoldenTomb · 01-11-2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

In any event, i would love to hear some opinions on what could work instead since they don't think the T.O. thing is a good idea.

There won't be any WR in the ballpark of what T.O. could bring to the table, or generate the excitement and attention this club needs to draw fans back to the dome. But you're right...let's get Troy Brown instead. He's low risk. We don't need to get any high profile FAs. Let's just continue to do what we've always done. After all the team will be here for a year or two.

What? You're acting as if you have the right to demand a secondary solution, like you originally brought this information to the table, and are offended. Here's one- keep what we have, focus our attention on other positions of need. There, you have an alternate solution- happy now?

This is a message board. The decision makers within the organization DO NOT come here for ideas, ok? They don't come here for draft tips, or game footage breakdown....hell, I'm not sure they even come here at all, as much as that might pain some of you.
We come here to talk, voice our opinions, and joke around. We're not influential to the organization, in any aspect. So why are you asking people to come up with solutions to a problem that doesn't exist? Why can't I voice my opinion on the subject of the thread?

Bro u can say whatever u want and do whatever u want. This is America after all and you are a moderator too, right? All i'm saying i think we fans could promote more comradery amongst ourselves by offering more possible solutions to problems instead of some folks habitually posting on why things can't work. Yeah in all likelyhood Tom Benson doesn't frequent this forum but i'm quite sure a few players and/or staff members do. And I actually do think this forum could have an effect on the bottom line, no matter how insignificant u think it is. After all we are fans and fans are what makes money for the Saints. I'm quite sure what's read on this board could mean the difference between going to a certain game and not going to a certain game for at least a few fans.

I've been a Saints fan for over 20 years myself but I can still put a positive spin on things. But by all means u and I both know that people can be as pessimistic as they want to. Its part of our charm as Saints fans. However in light of the recent events involving Hurricane Katrina, I'd hope that more individuals would be trying to think of innovative and creative ways of helping the team instead of supporting the status quo. We simply don't have the luxury of time to be the conventional low-risk team, not that being low risk was ever rewarded in the past. And lastly, i am still of the belief that the fans opinions do matter. Have at it, sir.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-11-2006, 01:56 PM

here's a solution...

we all become multi-millionaires, and pledge to buy luxury suites at the completely renovated Superdome or newly tax-financed, state-of-the-art stadium.
With 65,000 luxury suites sold, the Saints will go nowhere. Matter of fact, we may attract a whole new NFL team!!!

LongTimeFan · 01-11-2006, 06:13 PM

Don't say that even if your joking, it's not funny, we don't need T.O in N.O (smile)
This would be bad news if T.O were to sign with the Saints, T.O is garbage, he's BFI, useless, selfish, if I left anything out please add to my post.

MordorIV · 01-11-2006, 06:40 PM

I say sign him for a year see what he can do.

BlackandBlue · 01-11-2006, 08:27 PM

GT- I have no problem with what you are saying. We're just talking, bro.

Me thinking that bringing in TO is a bad idea is just that- me thinking. You cannot sit there and tell everyone that there is no risk involved. The level of risk, as percieved by me and you, are vastly different, however. I do see this guy as a high reward type player, I've never said anything to the contrary. But, I'm not a high risk guy, especially when there's a history of this behavior, and I'm trying to conduct business.

I've also been a Saints fan since I was five- which has been 27 long, grueling years. I'm glad you can put a positive spin on things, I've tried, as hard as it's been. Why do I have a pessimistic tag? I gave Brooks three years before I gave up. Where's the love???

MordorIV · 01-11-2006, 09:22 PM

The love is coming soon BandB.

01-10-2006, 09:38 PM	#31
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	First, the Saints need to pick up a few key free agents in order to be competative next year. We can't realistically expect the draft to fill all the needs for this team. I agree. But I can pass on this one. Second, the buzz is that the Saints are going to have a hard time picking up free agents due to the condition of the city and the unsettled-ness of the franchise. (I don't know if this will prove to be true or not, but for argument, let's assume that free agents aren't going to be lining up in Metarie to play for us) This was being mentioned before the franchise had a direction. We know they will be in New Orleans for at least another year or two, if not longer. Third, we have one elite WR who seems to be deteriorating physically. We have 2 other high draft pick WRs that still aren't regular contributors. So it might be nice to bring in another option at the position. I wouldn't relish the idea of 10 weeks of Stallworth one side and Henderson or Hakim on the other. There will be other free agent wide receivers, not of his caliber, but not high-risk, like TO. Fourth, TO needs a place to play and a place to rehab his image (to what extent he can. please hear me say that "rehabbing" will mean washing a bit more mud off of the pig). Coming to New Orleans gives him opportunity to say nice things like "I'm here to help this franchise and this great city get back on it's feet". If you think your normal free agent wouldn't want to sign here, what makes you think the biggest ego in the NFL would? He will control where he goes, my money says he's a Bronco by training camp. Fifth, I doubt TO will be generating interest in a top dollar contract. He should be affordable for a single season. He'll get paid- that's how all this BS started. Sixth, as in Philly's super bowl run, TO can be a great team mate and league leading WR for a single year. I don't think that GT is suggesting that we draw up a multi gazillion dollar deal to guarantee that TO retires a Saint. But for one year, he could really be a nice pickup. I wouldn't even suggest giving him an extension past one season, unless we're talking a year to year arrangement, but he bites every organization he's with past the first year. Teammate? Come on, BMG. I worked with a guy like this. Loud, obnoxious, but had skills. Led the sales team, but eventually took down half the company, to further his own gains. No thanks, I'll pass. Seventh, collossal A-hole or not, the guy has skills. Defenses have to account for him all the time. A recovering Deuce would probably like that he's never going to see 8 in the box with TO on the field. Risk-vs-reward. Eighth, the guy is totally self centered. He's no more a cancer than any number of other guys who have played in this league or on this team. Conrad Dobler anyone? I don't want the guy to teach sunday school, but for 16-20 games, he's sure good at catching the football. Dobler was loved by his teammates, it was the players that he played against that hated him. That, I like. GT is dead right in his larger point. We must have free agent help for next year. Is there anyone out there that we might be able to attract or should we pursue? Not sure, haven't checked. Too busy watching tivo'd college games
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

01-10-2006, 10:18 PM	#32
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	In any event, i would love to hear some opinions on what could work instead since they don't think the T.O. thing is a good idea. There won't be any WR in the ballpark of what T.O. could bring to the table, or generate the excitement and attention this club needs to draw fans back to the dome. But you're right...let's get Troy Brown instead. He's low risk. We don't need to get any high profile FAs. Let's just continue to do what we've always done. After all the team will be here for a year or two.
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591

01-10-2006, 10:46 PM	#33
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	..you know... ... all the talking heads on ESPN and FOX keep on blabbing about how good Owens is, and how he is "arguably the best receiver in football".. EXCUSE ME, "ARGUABLY" HE ISN'T EVEN THE BEST RECEIVER IN HIS DIVISION , much less in the entire NFL. Seriously, what makes Owens so good? Good hands? No. When was the last time you saw Owens make a spectacular catch? And he drops his share of passes. Speed? Ok. Betcha Donte is faster and can catch as many balls and rack YAC if he'd be thrown the same amount of "hit me in the numbers in stride" passes his way by McNabb, running plays drawn out by Reid. What exactly is the benefit of paying millions to Owens? Didn't help the Eagles a bit... mattter of fact, it destroyed them. If you are trying to redirect a team in disarray, the last player you want is Owens.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

01-11-2006, 07:41 AM	#34
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	In any event, i would love to hear some opinions on what could work instead since they don't think the T.O. thing is a good idea. There won't be any WR in the ballpark of what T.O. could bring to the table, or generate the excitement and attention this club needs to draw fans back to the dome. But you're right...let's get Troy Brown instead. He's low risk. We don't need to get any high profile FAs. Let's just continue to do what we've always done. After all the team will be here for a year or two. What? You're acting as if you have the right to demand a secondary solution, like you originally brought this information to the table, and are offended. Here's one- keep what we have, focus our attention on other positions of need. There, you have an alternate solution- happy now? This is a message board. The decision makers within the organization DO NOT come here for ideas, ok? They don't come here for draft tips, or game footage breakdown....hell, I'm not sure they even come here at all, as much as that might pain some of you. We come here to talk, voice our opinions, and joke around. We're not influential to the organization, in any aspect. So why are you asking people to come up with solutions to a problem that doesn't exist? Why can't I voice my opinion on the subject of the thread?
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

01-11-2006, 01:27 PM	#35
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue In any event, i would love to hear some opinions on what could work instead since they don't think the T.O. thing is a good idea. There won't be any WR in the ballpark of what T.O. could bring to the table, or generate the excitement and attention this club needs to draw fans back to the dome. But you're right...let's get Troy Brown instead. He's low risk. We don't need to get any high profile FAs. Let's just continue to do what we've always done. After all the team will be here for a year or two. What? You're acting as if you have the right to demand a secondary solution, like you originally brought this information to the table, and are offended. Here's one- keep what we have, focus our attention on other positions of need. There, you have an alternate solution- happy now? This is a message board. The decision makers within the organization DO NOT come here for ideas, ok? They don't come here for draft tips, or game footage breakdown....hell, I'm not sure they even come here at all, as much as that might pain some of you. We come here to talk, voice our opinions, and joke around. We're not influential to the organization, in any aspect. So why are you asking people to come up with solutions to a problem that doesn't exist? Why can't I voice my opinion on the subject of the thread? Bro u can say whatever u want and do whatever u want. This is America after all and you are a moderator too, right? All i'm saying i think we fans could promote more comradery amongst ourselves by offering more possible solutions to problems instead of some folks habitually posting on why things can't work. Yeah in all likelyhood Tom Benson doesn't frequent this forum but i'm quite sure a few players and/or staff members do. And I actually do think this forum could have an effect on the bottom line, no matter how insignificant u think it is. After all we are fans and fans are what makes money for the Saints. I'm quite sure what's read on this board could mean the difference between going to a certain game and not going to a certain game for at least a few fans. I've been a Saints fan for over 20 years myself but I can still put a positive spin on things. But by all means u and I both know that people can be as pessimistic as they want to. Its part of our charm as Saints fans. However in light of the recent events involving Hurricane Katrina, I'd hope that more individuals would be trying to think of innovative and creative ways of helping the team instead of supporting the status quo. We simply don't have the luxury of time to be the conventional low-risk team, not that being low risk was ever rewarded in the past. And lastly, i am still of the belief that the fans opinions do matter. Have at it, sir.
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01-11-2006, 01:56 PM	#36
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	here's a solution... we all become multi-millionaires, and pledge to buy luxury suites at the completely renovated Superdome or newly tax-financed, state-of-the-art stadium. With 65,000 luxury suites sold, the Saints will go nowhere. Matter of fact, we may attract a whole new NFL team!!!

01-11-2006, 06:13 PM	#37
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	RE: Re: RE: T.O. to N.O.???? Don't say that even if your joking, it's not funny, we don't need T.O in N.O (smile) This would be bad news if T.O were to sign with the Saints, T.O is garbage, he's BFI, useless, selfish, if I left anything out please add to my post.

01-11-2006, 06:40 PM	#38
MordorIV 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 305	RE: Re: RE: T.O. to N.O.???? I say sign him for a year see what he can do.

01-11-2006, 08:27 PM	#39
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	RE: Re: RE: T.O. to N.O.???? GT- I have no problem with what you are saying. We're just talking, bro. Me thinking that bringing in TO is a bad idea is just that- me thinking. You cannot sit there and tell everyone that there is no risk involved. The level of risk, as percieved by me and you, are vastly different, however. I do see this guy as a high reward type player, I've never said anything to the contrary. But, I'm not a high risk guy, especially when there's a history of this behavior, and I'm trying to conduct business. I've also been a Saints fan since I was five- which has been 27 long, grueling years. I'm glad you can put a positive spin on things, I've tried, as hard as it's been. Why do I have a pessimistic tag? I gave Brooks three years before I gave up. Where's the love???
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

01-11-2006, 09:22 PM	#40
MordorIV 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 305	RE: Re: RE: T.O. to N.O.???? The love is coming soon BandB.