T.O. to N.O.????
 

this is the latest rumor i have head off of espn. what do all of you think about having T.O. come to N.O.?

personally, i think it would be a huge mistake. i do have to whipe the drool from my face at the prospect of having T.O. and Horn starting at wr and stallworth in his more suited role as a slot wr. leinhart would have plenty of weapons on offense then.

the problem with T.O. is much of the same problem with N.O. a lack of chemistry and team unity. the risk might be worth the reward or it might not.

what do you think?

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nope don't see it.

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Only if he comes with a gagball and 2 rolls of duckttape.

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He's a great guy for one season. I'd sign him to a 1 year deal. If we take Leinart, he won't get the ball much.

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T.O. to N.O. Heeeeelllll NO !

Screw T.O. it is a waste of breath to even say his name .....

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HC - Mike Martz
QB - Brooks
RB - Bush, Deuce
WR - Horn, TO, Stallworth
fix the OL and D

Mike brings the Greatest show on Turf to NO... just need a better D.

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euphoria,
nothing personal, but i am wondering what you are smoking to put you in such a "euphoria." what you have just posted is the worst nightmare of myself and most saints fans at all levels except fix the OL and D.

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That's what I was thinking when I read about his getting permission to seek a trade. He'd be hella-motivated and wouldn't have a multi-year deal to ***** about.

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with the right coach and a 1yr deal he could be a good pick up. hey...we can't get much worse. hahaha

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He's just such a bad guy, I don't care how good he is, I never want ot see him in black and gold

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I heard this too. You know what....i really don't like the guy but it would be a great way to put butts in the seats and make our team immediately better. Also if we were to draft Leinart he would have one of the best recievers he could possibly throw to. Give him a nice one year contract and it would be perfect. I could care less what kind of a person he is. We have Horn who talks just as much and isn't nearly as good and u guys love him, so why not?

I don't think people realize what dire straits the Saints are in right now. If we need to make a deal with the devil, in this case T.O., to win today, we need to do it, simple as that.

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I say take him pay him the minimum with a bonus for playing all 16 games, not ever mouthing off in public and not getting suspended and have Horn do the same. Remember we need to win now. That is the only reason I would consider taking him. You also need to tell him directly after the game he can't shower in the locker room either. He has to keep his uniform on, go to his car in the parking lot and go home.

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the only thing he will do for the saints is get the team on espn more. GET HIM. HAHA

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We are in dire straights, one player isn't going to win games for us.

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The NFL already looks at the Saints as morons, so what do you think they are going to say when we hire the worst teammate in the history of sports?

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Exactly thats why there are 7 rounds..... :wink:

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Please not TO.

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Hell, if we draft Leinart, I'd sign T.O. to a 1 year deal. This would really help a young QB make the transition to the NFL. However, if T.O. starts his "eagles antics", sorry but don't let the door hit you in the a@*! You never know, this guy may turn things around knowing it's his last chance. It can't be any worse than Joe Horn-at least T.O. didn't degrade the Eagles fans like some Saints WR.

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yes thats true.

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Get off of that. T.O. has proven to be a difference maker. He's one of the exceptions. I think he's worth at least 3 extra wins. But you guys are right....lets just stick with Horn who pretty much hates us fans outside of San Antonio and Hakim and Henderson who both can't catch a cold. At least T.O. brings his A game all the time, and is far and away better than anything we have right now. If we could agree on a decent one year contract he wouldn't have anything to complain about. We certainly can't afford to be picky if he's interested in coming here in the slightest. We need to generate major interest in this team to get fans to come. I'd like to hear some of some other suggestions to do that since u guys think that mine is such a bad idea.

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Good post GT.

My view - NO to TO in NO

It wouldn't be the 1st time we get a free agent in on loadsa money. Yep TO might just deliver. But we would have no money left so then we can forget taking a high 1st round pick.

What do want guys?

Not true on the high draft pick issue because there is a special cap allocation that each team gets just for signing draft picks.

**** TO.

1. That's not the type of attention you want. Ok, maybe you, but it's not the type I would want. I'd take Moss before I took TO.

2. I've seen what one man can do, to what I had thought was a rock solid organization in Philly. We have our own problems.

3. You want this to be a business, you need to treat it like one. If I tried some of this ****, I wouldn't be modding here anymore, because I wouldn't have a computer or internet connection, because my house would be gone, because I'd be UNEMPLOYED.

Naw, let him carry his ass to another, not so troubled organization.

This is all based off something that was heard on Sportscenter?

Yes this is nothing but pure speculation.

And they can't treat this organization any less like a business than they already have, so I say why not T.O.? We seemed destined to draft Leinart so it would behoove us to find some help for the kid.

Why don't u guys try to find solutions instead of doing nothing but shooting down ideas?

Needing a solution would imply that we have a problem. Adding to a problem is bad, regardless of how far you think you've fallen.

GT makes a couple of very valid observations here. I think the suggestion merits consideration.

First, the Saints need to pick up a few key free agents in order to be competative next year. We can't realistically expect the draft to fill all the needs for this team.

Second, the buzz is that the Saints are going to have a hard time picking up free agents due to the condition of the city and the unsettled-ness of the franchise. (I don't know if this will prove to be true or not, but for argument, let's assume that free agents aren't going to be lining up in Metarie to play for us)

Third, we have one elite WR who seems to be deteriorating physically. We have 2 other high draft pick WRs that still aren't regular contributors. So it might be nice to bring in another option at the position. I wouldn't relish the idea of 10 weeks of Stallworth one side and Henderson or Hakim on the other.

Fourth, TO needs a place to play and a place to rehab his image (to what extent he can. please hear me say that "rehabbing" will mean washing a bit more mud off of the pig). Coming to New Orleans gives him opportunity to say nice things like "I'm here to help this franchise and this great city get back on it's feet".

Fifth, I doubt TO will be generating interest in a top dollar contract. He should be affordable for a single season.

Sixth, as in Philly's super bowl run, TO can be a great team mate and league leading WR for a single year. I don't think that GT is suggesting that we draw up a multi gazillion dollar deal to guarantee that TO retires a Saint. But for one year, he could really be a nice pickup. I wouldn't even suggest giving him an extension past one season, unless we're talking a year to year arrangement, but he bites every organization he's with past the first year.

Seventh, collossal A-hole or not, the guy has skills. Defenses have to account for him all the time. A recovering Deuce would probably like that he's never going to see 8 in the box with TO on the field.

Eighth, the guy is totally self centered. He's no more a cancer than any number of other guys who have played in this league or on this team. Conrad Dobler anyone? I don't want the guy to teach sunday school, but for 16-20 games, he's sure good at catching the football.

GT is dead right in his larger point. We must have free agent help for next year. Is there anyone out there that we might be able to attract or should we pursue?

I would not be in favor of signing TO. For obvious reasons, I would also hope Tampa Bay, Atlanta, and Carolina would feel the same way. Don't want him on the team, but would also hate to face him twice per year. The dude is a great WR, just a major cancer. If the guy could not get along with a very good QB like Jeff Garcia or a great QB like Donavan McNabb, how would he act with Brooks, Bouman, McPherson, or maybe Young or Leinart calling the shots? Not a pretty picture in my mind...

Our problem is we have an NFL franchise that is in desperate need of generating significant support from its dispersed fan base. I think the solution is creating an attraction that will get fans to come to the games. T.O. will get fans to come to the games, and he'll catch the balls that Leinart throws to him. His main issue is and has always been money. If we give him a one year contract and he agrees to it, that will be a moot point. Next year or the year after that is not of relavance right now. This franchise needs to do what it can do to get fans back in the Dome THIS YEAR, and getting T.O. would be a surefire way to do it.

You pretty much nailed my sentiments BMG.

I agree. But I can pass on this one.

This was being mentioned before the franchise had a direction. We know they will be in New Orleans for at least another year or two, if not longer.

There will be other free agent wide receivers, not of his caliber, but not high-risk, like TO.

If you think your normal free agent wouldn't want to sign here, what makes you think the biggest ego in the NFL would? He will control where he goes, my money says he's a Bronco by training camp.

He'll get paid- that's how all this BS started.

Teammate? Come on, BMG. I worked with a guy like this. Loud, obnoxious, but had skills. Led the sales team, but eventually took down half the company, to further his own gains. No thanks, I'll pass.

Risk-vs-reward.

Dobler was loved by his teammates, it was the players that he played against that hated him. That, I like. :wink:

Not sure, haven't checked. Too busy watching tivo'd college games ;)

In any event, i would love to hear some opinions on what could work instead since they don't think the T.O. thing is a good idea.

There won't be any WR in the ballpark of what T.O. could bring to the table, or generate the excitement and attention this club needs to draw fans back to the dome. But you're right...let's get Troy Brown instead. He's low risk. We don't need to get any high profile FAs. Let's just continue to do what we've always done. After all the team will be here for a year or two.

..you know...

... all the talking heads on ESPN and FOX keep on blabbing about how good Owens is, and how he is "arguably the best receiver in football"..
EXCUSE ME, "ARGUABLY" HE ISN'T EVEN THE BEST RECEIVER IN HIS DIVISION , much less in the entire NFL.

Seriously, what makes Owens so good?
Good hands? No. When was the last time you saw Owens make a spectacular catch? And he drops his share of passes.
Speed? Ok. Betcha Donte is faster and can catch as many balls and rack YAC if he'd be thrown the same amount of "hit me in the numbers in stride" passes his way by McNabb, running plays drawn out by Reid.

What exactly is the benefit of paying millions to Owens? Didn't help the Eagles a bit... mattter of fact, it destroyed them.

If you are trying to redirect a team in disarray, the last player you want is Owens.

What? You're acting as if you have the right to demand a secondary solution, like you originally brought this information to the table, and are offended. Here's one- keep what we have, focus our attention on other positions of need. There, you have an alternate solution- happy now?

This is a message board. The decision makers within the organization DO NOT come here for ideas, ok? They don't come here for draft tips, or game footage breakdown....hell, I'm not sure they even come here at all, as much as that might pain some of you.
We come here to talk, voice our opinions, and joke around. We're not influential to the organization, in any aspect. So why are you asking people to come up with solutions to a problem that doesn't exist? Why can't I voice my opinion on the subject of the thread?

Bro u can say whatever u want and do whatever u want. This is America after all and you are a moderator too, right? All i'm saying i think we fans could promote more comradery amongst ourselves by offering more possible solutions to problems instead of some folks habitually posting on why things can't work. Yeah in all likelyhood Tom Benson doesn't frequent this forum but i'm quite sure a few players and/or staff members do. And I actually do think this forum could have an effect on the bottom line, no matter how insignificant u think it is. After all we are fans and fans are what makes money for the Saints. I'm quite sure what's read on this board could mean the difference between going to a certain game and not going to a certain game for at least a few fans.

I've been a Saints fan for over 20 years myself but I can still put a positive spin on things. But by all means u and I both know that people can be as pessimistic as they want to. Its part of our charm as Saints fans. However in light of the recent events involving Hurricane Katrina, I'd hope that more individuals would be trying to think of innovative and creative ways of helping the team instead of supporting the status quo. We simply don't have the luxury of time to be the conventional low-risk team, not that being low risk was ever rewarded in the past. And lastly, i am still of the belief that the fans opinions do matter. Have at it, sir. :-)

here's a solution...

we all become multi-millionaires, and pledge to buy luxury suites at the completely renovated Superdome or newly tax-financed, state-of-the-art stadium.
With 65,000 luxury suites sold, the Saints will go nowhere. Matter of fact, we may attract a whole new NFL team!!!

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Don't say that even if your joking, it's not funny, we don't need T.O in N.O (smile)
This would be bad news if T.O were to sign with the Saints, T.O is garbage, he's BFI, useless, selfish, if I left anything out please add to my post.

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I say sign him for a year see what he can do.

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GT- I have no problem with what you are saying. We're just talking, bro.

Me thinking that bringing in TO is a bad idea is just that- me thinking. You cannot sit there and tell everyone that there is no risk involved. The level of risk, as percieved by me and you, are vastly different, however. I do see this guy as a high reward type player, I've never said anything to the contrary. But, I'm not a high risk guy, especially when there's a history of this behavior, and I'm trying to conduct business.

I've also been a Saints fan since I was five- which has been 27 long, grueling years. I'm glad you can put a positive spin on things, I've tried, as hard as it's been. Why do I have a pessimistic tag? I gave Brooks three years before I gave up. Where's the love???

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The love is coming soon BandB.