NFL personnel men not sold on Young/So-so on Leinart

MordorIV · 01-10-2006, 08:28 PM

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jergensl · 01-11-2006, 06:33 AM

i don't think leinhart will come in his rookie year and turn us into a super bowl contender and throw for 30 tds. i do think he can come in and manage an offense with some good skill position players and an o line that might play for a guy who gives them a chance.

if we draft leinhart we will still need to upgrade the defense a little. the offense will need to be a quick short passing game that takes advantage of leinharts ability to ready defenses and his accuracy. this too will keep d-linemen from murder death killing him. the health of deuce will be huge. this past season has shown that stecker is a good back but not good enough to carry the load (sidenote: stecker should have gotten the carries instead of spliting them with old man smith).

with a run first short passing game and a solid, but not great defense the saints can atleast make a run at the playoffs and finish around 8-8 next season.

xan · 01-11-2006, 10:11 AM

whodi, I'm with you on the "put the butts in the seats" concept. I'm just torn between doing that and causing the franchise more dismal seasons by not filling gaping holes. That said, the qb position has been a gaping hole for 5 years. Let's see how these guys work out in combines and individuals. there's not a lot one can tell from watching film of Leinart beating up the Berkeley Halfway House or Young run around the Baylor Cement Shoes.

pakowitz · 01-11-2006, 10:55 AM

What I know is, NOTHING puts butts in the seats like a franchise QB. NOTHING. You wanna see people buy jerseys, you wanna see people at the games, draft Leinart. You wanna see an empty stadium if we don't have a winning record midway? Have Collins, Volek, or Garrard starting and draft AJ Hawk. NOTHING gives fans hope like the thought that they have the next great QB. A franchise QB will also bring in more casual fans than a LB would. IF you are thinking about seats in the dome, then you are thinking about taking Leinart.

actually i dont think drafting leinert will help in getting tickets sold.... alot of saints fans are also LSU fans who despise leinert and the whole Trojan media bandwagon... which u have obviously jumped aboard.... and drafting leinert will only push those people further away...if u really wanted seats in the stands an jerseys sold... take young or bush... both are far more exciting and young grew up in houston... not far from a good saints fan base .....

saintswhodi · 01-11-2006, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by xan

whodi, I'm with you on the "put the butts in the seats" concept. I'm just torn between doing that and causing the franchise more dismal seasons by not filling gaping holes. That said, the qb position has been a gaping hole for 5 years. Let's see how these guys work out in combines and individuals. there's not a lot one can tell from watching film of Leinart beating up the Berkeley Halfway House or Young run around the Baylor Cement Shoes.

I can agree to that. I don't expect the combine to hurt his at all though.

TheDeuce · 01-11-2006, 11:06 AM

alot of saints fans are also LSU fans who despise leinert and the whole Trojan media bandwagon...

and drafting leinert will only push those people further away...if u really wanted seats in the stands an jerseys sold... take young or bush...

Last time I checked Leinart and Bush played on the same team....

Also, I don't really think Saints fans are that prejudiced against where guys on the Saints played their college ball. I mean, our best offensive player (Deuce) played at one of LSU's most historic rivals, but nobody gives a crap. I think you're just digging for excuses not to like Leinart...

What next? We shouldn't take Leinart because he uses Crest, while the most popular toothpaste in Louisiana is COlgate?

saintswhodi · 01-11-2006, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

What I know is, NOTHING puts butts in the seats like a franchise QB. NOTHING. You wanna see people buy jerseys, you wanna see people at the games, draft Leinart. You wanna see an empty stadium if we don't have a winning record midway? Have Collins, Volek, or Garrard starting and draft AJ Hawk. NOTHING gives fans hope like the thought that they have the next great QB. A franchise QB will also bring in more casual fans than a LB would. IF you are thinking about seats in the dome, then you are thinking about taking Leinart.

actually i dont think drafting leinert will help in getting tickets sold.... alot of saints fans are also LSU fans who despise leinert and the whole Trojan media bandwagon... which u have obviously jumped aboard.... and drafting leinert will only push those people further away...if u really wanted seats in the stands an jerseys sold... take young or bush... both are far more exciting and young grew up in houston... not far from a good saints fan base .....

Where do I even start with this? A lot of LSU fans also aren't Saints fans, and could care less about them. Hence, selling out Tiger Stadium for an LSU game, but there being 40,000 empty seats the next day at a Saints game. And how have I jumped aboard the USC media bandwagon? I am an LSU Tiger fan, only and always. But it's stupid to think there aren't great players at other schools. Damn stupid. But, you want it to appear youhaven't jumped on the bandwagon, when every other word out of your mouth is Reggie Bush. Hypocrite much?

and drafting leinert will only push those people further away...if u really wanted seats in the stands an jerseys sold... take young or bush

Wait, so taking Leinart cause he is from USC will push people away, who lived in Baton Rouge and didn't go to Saints games anyway, but taking Reggie Bush, also from USC WON'T push them away? I don't think I need to listen to you anymore. Your bias is far too evident for you to be objective.

pakowitz · 01-11-2006, 11:16 AM

Wait, so taking Leinart cause he is from USC will push people away, who lived in Baton Rouge and didn't go to Saints games anyway, but taking Reggie Bush, also from USC WON'T push them away

the difference is... back in 03, it was leinert who was all over the television claiming to have won a NC, i dont ever remember seeing bush screaming that LSUs title was crap...plus id rather have a humble solid running back b/c we know that deuce is going to get hurt again... then a pompus arragont ******* who thinks he is the greatest qb in the world....

TheDeuce · 01-11-2006, 11:20 AM

b/c we know that deuce is going to get hurt again

Are you a prophet or something? Pak, are you Miss Chleo? Can you really see into the future?!?!?!?! That's awesome!

It's obvious you have some grudge and you're ridiculously biased. Anything you say about this topic now I will regard as complete trash.

saintswhodi · 01-11-2006, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

b/c we know that deuce is going to get hurt again

Are you a prophet or something? Pak, are you Miss Chleo? Can you really see into the future?!?!?!?! That's awesome!

It's obvious you have some grudge and you're ridiculously biased. Anything you say about this topic now I will regard as complete trash.

Couldn't agree more.

01-11-2006, 11:04 AM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by xan whodi, I'm with you on the "put the butts in the seats" concept. I'm just torn between doing that and causing the franchise more dismal seasons by not filling gaping holes. That said, the qb position has been a gaping hole for 5 years. Let's see how these guys work out in combines and individuals. there's not a lot one can tell from watching film of Leinart beating up the Berkeley Halfway House or Young run around the Baylor Cement Shoes. I can agree to that. I don't expect the combine to hurt his at all though.

01-11-2006, 11:06 AM	#26
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	alot of saints fans are also LSU fans who despise leinert and the whole Trojan media bandwagon... and drafting leinert will only push those people further away...if u really wanted seats in the stands an jerseys sold... take young or bush... Last time I checked Leinart and Bush played on the same team.... Also, I don't really think Saints fans are that prejudiced against where guys on the Saints played their college ball. I mean, our best offensive player (Deuce) played at one of LSU's most historic rivals, but nobody gives a crap. I think you're just digging for excuses not to like Leinart... What next? We shouldn't take Leinart because he uses Crest, while the most popular toothpaste in Louisiana is COlgate?
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01-11-2006, 11:07 AM	#27
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by pakowitz What I know is, NOTHING puts butts in the seats like a franchise QB. NOTHING. You wanna see people buy jerseys, you wanna see people at the games, draft Leinart. You wanna see an empty stadium if we don't have a winning record midway? Have Collins, Volek, or Garrard starting and draft AJ Hawk. NOTHING gives fans hope like the thought that they have the next great QB. A franchise QB will also bring in more casual fans than a LB would. IF you are thinking about seats in the dome, then you are thinking about taking Leinart. actually i dont think drafting leinert will help in getting tickets sold.... alot of saints fans are also LSU fans who despise leinert and the whole Trojan media bandwagon... which u have obviously jumped aboard.... and drafting leinert will only push those people further away...if u really wanted seats in the stands an jerseys sold... take young or bush... both are far more exciting and young grew up in houston... not far from a good saints fan base ..... Where do I even start with this? A lot of LSU fans also aren't Saints fans, and could care less about them. Hence, selling out Tiger Stadium for an LSU game, but there being 40,000 empty seats the next day at a Saints game. And how have I jumped aboard the USC media bandwagon? I am an LSU Tiger fan, only and always. But it's stupid to think there aren't great players at other schools. Damn stupid. But, you want it to appear youhaven't jumped on the bandwagon, when every other word out of your mouth is Reggie Bush. Hypocrite much? and drafting leinert will only push those people further away...if u really wanted seats in the stands an jerseys sold... take young or bush Wait, so taking Leinart cause he is from USC will push people away, who lived in Baton Rouge and didn't go to Saints games anyway, but taking Reggie Bush, also from USC WON'T push them away? I don't think I need to listen to you anymore. Your bias is far too evident for you to be objective.

01-11-2006, 11:20 AM	#29
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	b/c we know that deuce is going to get hurt again Are you a prophet or something? Pak, are you Miss Chleo? Can you really see into the future?!?!?!?! That's awesome! It's obvious you have some grudge and you're ridiculously biased. Anything you say about this topic now I will regard as complete trash.
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01-11-2006, 11:22 AM	#30
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by TheDeuce b/c we know that deuce is going to get hurt again Are you a prophet or something? Pak, are you Miss Chleo? Can you really see into the future?!?!?!?! That's awesome! It's obvious you have some grudge and you're ridiculously biased. Anything you say about this topic now I will regard as complete trash. Couldn't agree more.

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01-11-2006, 06:33 AM	#22
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	i don't think leinhart will come in his rookie year and turn us into a super bowl contender and throw for 30 tds. i do think he can come in and manage an offense with some good skill position players and an o line that might play for a guy who gives them a chance. if we draft leinhart we will still need to upgrade the defense a little. the offense will need to be a quick short passing game that takes advantage of leinharts ability to ready defenses and his accuracy. this too will keep d-linemen from murder death killing him. the health of deuce will be huge. this past season has shown that stecker is a good back but not good enough to carry the load (sidenote: stecker should have gotten the carries instead of spliting them with old man smith). with a run first short passing game and a solid, but not great defense the saints can atleast make a run at the playoffs and finish around 8-8 next season.

01-11-2006, 10:11 AM	#23
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	whodi, I'm with you on the "put the butts in the seats" concept. I'm just torn between doing that and causing the franchise more dismal seasons by not filling gaping holes. That said, the qb position has been a gaping hole for 5 years. Let's see how these guys work out in combines and individuals. there's not a lot one can tell from watching film of Leinart beating up the Berkeley Halfway House or Young run around the Baylor Cement Shoes.

01-11-2006, 10:55 AM	#24
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	What I know is, NOTHING puts butts in the seats like a franchise QB. NOTHING. You wanna see people buy jerseys, you wanna see people at the games, draft Leinart. You wanna see an empty stadium if we don't have a winning record midway? Have Collins, Volek, or Garrard starting and draft AJ Hawk. NOTHING gives fans hope like the thought that they have the next great QB. A franchise QB will also bring in more casual fans than a LB would. IF you are thinking about seats in the dome, then you are thinking about taking Leinart. actually i dont think drafting leinert will help in getting tickets sold.... alot of saints fans are also LSU fans who despise leinert and the whole Trojan media bandwagon... which u have obviously jumped aboard.... and drafting leinert will only push those people further away...if u really wanted seats in the stands an jerseys sold... take young or bush... both are far more exciting and young grew up in houston... not far from a good saints fan base .....

01-11-2006, 11:16 AM	#28
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Wait, so taking Leinart cause he is from USC will push people away, who lived in Baton Rouge and didn't go to Saints games anyway, but taking Reggie Bush, also from USC WON'T push them away the difference is... back in 03, it was leinert who was all over the television claiming to have won a NC, i dont ever remember seeing bush screaming that LSUs title was crap...plus id rather have a humble solid running back b/c we know that deuce is going to get hurt again... then a pompus arragont ******* who thinks he is the greatest qb in the world....