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saintswhodi 01-12-2006 04:36 PM

Would you make this trade?
 
Say Houston wanted to go for all the marbles, and get the first AND second pick in the draft, and they offered us David Carr, plus their second and third round picks this year, plus their first next year for our pick at number two. Would you do it? I would, in a heart beat. Maybe we could throw in Brooks and get their second next year too. Just a thought.

Then Houston could get Young AND Bush. And we'd have Carr, and a buttload of high picks. Plus you gotta figure Houston's pick next yeal will be pretty high again. Just bored.

Winwin 01-12-2006 04:43 PM

RE: Would you make this trade?
 
but then we be stuck with a worthless qb. one that can't read defenses, can't feel the rush coming, that can't figureout how to throw the ball away before taking a sack. we'd be stuck with a qb that couldn't find the outlet wr and throw him the ball. i guess in small print someone worse than brooks, that is exactly what this franchise needs. see the fans in houston that i listen to say carr is garbage, just can't feel the rush holds the ball too long which leads to a lot of the sacks he takes.

saintfan 01-12-2006 04:45 PM

RE: Would you make this trade?
 
Hard to tell how he'd do with a half-decent O-Line. Of course we'd have to GET one first...

gandhi1007 01-12-2006 04:48 PM

RE: Would you make this trade?
 
You know wodi, I heard this scenario on ESPN earlier today. Hell yes, I'd do it. Carr could be exceptional if he didn't play behind a line similar to the one Archie Manning played behind in the '70's. And all those picks: that would insure us some good LB's in the second round. If only it could happen.

Winwin 01-12-2006 04:49 PM

RE: Would you make this trade?
 
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You know wodi, I heard this scenario on ESPN earlier today. Hell yes, I'd do it. Carr could be exceptional if he didn't play behind a line similar to the one Archie Manning played behind in the '70's. And all those picks: that would insure us some good LB's in the second round. If only it could happen.

i love to see people making excuses for stupidity by a qb, on the offensiveline.

Winwin 01-12-2006 04:49 PM

RE: Would you make this trade?
 
i wonder what carr sat score was, my bet is -500.

saintswhodi 01-12-2006 04:50 PM

I'd do it too ghandi, in a millisecond. Two HIGH second round picks this year and a high third? An almost guaranteed high first next year, plus our first, plus an almost guaranteed high second, with our second? WOW!!!!!

papz 01-12-2006 05:03 PM

I'm shocked sw... you're willing to pass up on Leinart?! :P

I'm a big fan of Carr's, but I'm also a big Leinart guy myself. Both will have large contracts and I think Carr's end at the finish of next season. So what if he decides to bolt on us?

That trade does give us a nice chunk of high drafts picks... but no first this year? I'd be a little disappointed we wouldn't have the opportunity to draft a Leinart, Hawk, Williams, Greenway, Ngata, etc. So... I'd think about it, but I'll probably pass and take a Leinart or trade down into the top 10 to acquire more picks. I'm pretty sure someone would give us a nice offer say... switch first rounders and they kick in an extra second rounder next year or a 3rd this year and something else the year after. It all depends how bad some of these teams want a chance at one of the threesome... we might be able to rip someone off. 8)

ssmitty 01-12-2006 05:19 PM

if we gonna trade, why not drop down 7-10 picks, do some wheeling and dealing and get cutler and white in the first round? you say duece is gonna be alright and he might be, but i'm really impressed with white. he could be the next bus, bettis, for many yrs to come.....talk about bored..............let's let the new coach lite it up, whatever he may be smoking..........and change everything , for the good we hope...................
it's good to to sit where we are in the draft, and it sure would be a hella lot better to have someone on the team know what they're doing before and come draft time...........smitty

Saintuary 01-12-2006 05:29 PM

According to Chris Mortensen, Kubiak likes David Carr. Gary said "barring some big trade down, Reggie Bush will be their guy" regardless of what the fans want. I added that last part but it was a part of the comments.

Saintuary 01-12-2006 05:31 PM

According to Chris Mortenses, Kubiak likes David Carr. Gary said "barring some big trade down, Reggie Bush will be their guy" regardless of what the fans want. I added that last part but it was a part of the comments.

hagan714 01-12-2006 05:31 PM

Carr does not scare me. He might agree to it but why would texas do this? I would not save them $$$ and would not correct there biggest problem unless they trade 2 and get OL help they need sooo bad. You guys think AB hears footsteps. Carr hears them in the shower. Hmmm Quinn in 2006? tempting

BlackandBlue 01-12-2006 05:37 PM

Once again, where do I sign?

SAINTSFAN834 01-12-2006 06:02 PM

I am not sure I would do this. Our first pick would be #33 and we would have a questionable QB. TOugh one.

CheramieIII 01-12-2006 06:09 PM

In a heartbeat. Then we trade Brooks for another backup QB cut Bouman and pick up the best 2 linebackers on the board in the second round. The O-Line the rest of the way. All we would need at that point would be a stud DT in FA.

saintswhodi 01-12-2006 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by papz
I'm shocked sw... you're willing to pass up on Leinart?! :P

I'm a big fan of Carr's, but I'm also a big Leinart guy myself. Both will have large contracts and I think Carr's end at the finish of next season. So what if he decides to bolt on us?

That trade does give us a nice chunk of high drafts picks... but no first this year? I'd be a little disappointed we wouldn't have the opportunity to draft a Leinart, Hawk, Williams, Greenway, Ngata, etc. So... I'd think about it, but I'll probably pass and take a Leinart or trade down into the top 10 to acquire more picks. I'm pretty sure someone would give us a nice offer say... switch first rounders and they kick in an extra second rounder next year or a 3rd this year and something else the year after. It all depends how bad some of these teams want a chance at one of the threesome... we might be able to rip someone off. 8)

Like I told BMG, the only way i'd pass on Leinart is if someone gave us a Ricky Williams draft worth of picks. This would be pretty damn close. We might be able to get Eric Winston in the second plus a stud LB. Not to mention a high first and second next year? Carr doesn't work out, we have two firsts and two seconds to make a move for him. Carr works out, damn we could come up. I dunno.

hagan714 01-12-2006 06:15 PM

Okay charma i am agree again. but #3 for a reciever with hands.

Tobias-Reiper 01-12-2006 07:05 PM

.. I would love to see what Carr could do with 2-3 seconds of pocket protection... I'd take it.

MordorIV 01-12-2006 07:07 PM

He would be crushed thats what

AllSaints 01-12-2006 08:20 PM

***Leinart***

lynwood 01-12-2006 08:55 PM

I say no. It's not too often we get this high of a pick without turning in our entire draft picks. I say just pick one of the top three or trade down a couple for Hawk. Take advantage of the high pick while we can. While I think Carr would be better than Brooks he's not worth a #2 pick.

saintswhodi 01-13-2006 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lynwood
I say no. It's not too often we get this high of a pick without turning in our entire draft picks. I say just pick one of the top three or trade down a couple for Hawk. Take advantage of the high pick while we can. While I think Carr would be better than Brooks he's not worth a #2 pick.

Um, you're not only getting Carr for the #2 pick. You're getting Carr, an early second and third this year, and a first and second next year, which will more than likely also be early. Carr doesn't work, hello Brady Quinn, but you have a buttload of picks to address needs with good players. Carr and a buttload of high picks is worth the #2 pick.

SAINTSFAN834 01-13-2006 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lynwood
I say no. It's not too often we get this high of a pick without turning in our entire draft picks. I say just pick one of the top three or trade down a couple for Hawk. Take advantage of the high pick while we can. While I think Carr would be better than Brooks he's not worth a #2 pick.

Um, you're not only getting Carr for the #2 pick. You're getting Carr, an early second and third this year, and a first and second next year, which will more than likely also be early. Carr doesn't work, hello Brady Quinn, but you have a buttload of picks to address needs with good players. Carr and a buttload of high picks is worth the #2 pick.

That assumes that those 2 #1s next year can get you up high enough to get Quinn. If not, you came away with multiple lower draft picks instead of a franchise QB. I do not see the trade as a no-brainer at all.

saintswhodi 01-13-2006 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
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Originally Posted by lynwood
I say no. It's not too often we get this high of a pick without turning in our entire draft picks. I say just pick one of the top three or trade down a couple for Hawk. Take advantage of the high pick while we can. While I think Carr would be better than Brooks he's not worth a #2 pick.

Um, you're not only getting Carr for the #2 pick. You're getting Carr, an early second and third this year, and a first and second next year, which will more than likely also be early. Carr doesn't work, hello Brady Quinn, but you have a buttload of picks to address needs with good players. Carr and a buttload of high picks is worth the #2 pick.

That assumes that those 2 #1s next year can get you up high enough to get Quinn. If not, you came away with multiple lower draft picks instead of a franchise QB. I do not see the trade as a no-brainer at all.

SO the Texans will go fromt he first pick to what, the 18th? I don't think so. It will still be a top 10 pick next year AND you will have an extra second. That's enough to move up, if it's even necessary. That's assuming our own pick won't be high again. Yup, it's a no brainer.

lynwood 01-13-2006 03:53 PM

Just an Opinion. We get pick #2 we should keep it. Why even gamble on what the Texans will do next year? Sure they might get a high pick next year but that is not gauranteed. We have the opportunity now to grab Basically who we want in the draft now. I think the bigger question is who do we want.

saintswhodi 01-13-2006 04:17 PM

Leinart, but I was trying to come up with a scenario where I would feel comfortable trading the pick.

lynwood 01-13-2006 04:25 PM

What about trading down for a defensive need? Say enough to grab a really good LB?

maximkat 01-13-2006 07:18 PM

i like carr, and i saw a fair share of houston games on my nfl ticket this year (dom davis in fantasy league if you are wondering why i was watching them). carr makes an occasional mistake I will go with that, but he is not awful. at least 3/4 of the time i saw carr sacked was on step 2 of a 3 step drop. that line is pretty bad. saintfan brings up the most interesting point of all, he would go from one bad o-line to another.


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