Kinda' sounds like BonB, huh?

you can't talk football?

if you continue with this type of posting, calling other posters names you'll be reported. try to be civil, everyone has a right to their opinions because it's not shared by you means what?

You're right about Reggie Bush. UT didn't have any 5-star skill players besides a busted TE prospect in 2003 (Tony Hills Jr.) However, LenDale White was a 4-star player. So was Jamaal Charles and Ramonce Taylor.

UT = 2 4-star RBs
USC = 1 4-star RB, 1 5-star RB

That's not THAT drastic of a talent difference

UGH look who can throw better... look at the passer ratings... YOUN WINS THAT EVEN.

even with better weapons Leinart doesn't match up... 157.something to Youngs 163.7

who is youn is that a chinese player entering the draft i am unfamiliar with. would like to get a look at him

You can't just look at Passer Rating. Young never took shots down field, not like Leinart did.

Leinart also threw 431 passes this season, Young threw only 325. I'll do the math for you, Leinart threw 106 MORE passes than Young. Leinart also completed 283, Young completed only 212 passes. Want to look at completion percentage?

LEINART'S COMPLETION PERCENTAGE = 65.7%
YOUNG'S COMPLETION PERCENTAGE = 65.2%

Who's completion percentage was better? Leinart.

LEINART'S PASSING TOUCHDOWNS = 28
YOUNG'S PASSING TOUCHDOWNS = 26

Who has more touchdowns? Leinart.

LEINART'S INTERCEPTION TOTAL = 8
YOUNG'S INTERCEPTION TOTAL = 10

Who had fewer interceptions? Leinart. WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me get this straight. Leinart threw for 106 MORE PASSES than Young, and he still threw LESS INTERCEPTIONS?????

OK so, Leinart threw more passes, had a better completion percentage, more touchdowns, and less interceptions; and you're trying to argue that Young is a better passer?

not by much but the passer rating is a bigger difference and who won the biggest game of the year... YOUNG

But did Leinart have a bad game?

so what ur really saying is leinert threw 106 more passes but only score 2 more passing TDs....i got ya

And about the interceptions. The Saints were the worst in the NFL in turnover amounts. And you want to pass up on the guy who throws 2 less interceptions in 106 MORE passes, for the guy who threw 2 MORE interceptions in 106 LESS passes. We don't need any more turnovers, and Young is more prone to turnovers than Leinart.

i think winning games is generally about the whole team. but hey just call me a moron. same crap said about vick until this year. young looked good oin that game and terible in the aggies game. so what ya say to thast euph almnighty

Yeah, that's true. But he's obviously the more accurate passer who turns the ball over less. And he still had MORE total passing touchdowns than Young.

but how many total touchdowns did both have? not just passing....

pak who is the last running qb to win the supybowl

Young has a great ground game, I won't take anything away from that. He had 12 rushing touchdowns. Leinart had 6. But I still believe that Leinart is the better throwing QB. Would you agree?

Also, one of the reason Leinart probably didn't have more touchdowns is that LenDale White had the most rushing touchdowns in the nation (24), and Reggie Bush had the 8th most (16). These guys obviously took a lot of touches away from Leinart in scoring chances.

who was the last team without a good defense to win a superbowl?

Here's another interesting question? Who fumbled the ball more?

Young, as talented as he is, has a fumbleitis problem. He has had problems with the snap all year. Other than his unorthodox throwing style, it is the only knock I've had on him this year.

I like both Leinart & Young, but I do not want another Aaron Brooks with a severe case of fumbleitis.

Conclusion: Draft Leinart.

The difference is nill between these players stats and if Young did throw 106 more passes would his Int to pass completion ratio be about the same as Leinart's, I think so. I am not getting in the middle of this one though because I don't want either of them.

i agree with you on that pak.

Exactly. Running QBs just don't win. You have to be an elite passer in the NFL, and Young just isn't right now. He's definitely a few years from being able to start. He might develop into a good passer, but I see Michael Vick who was 25th in passer rating this year, Donovan was 16th, Anthony Wright was 30th, and AB was 32nd. Runners just don't usually do as well, that's just how it is. Look at the top 10 guys in passer rating:

Peyton, Carson Palmer, Big Ben, Hasselbeck, Bulger, Brady, Jake Plummer, Trent Green, Byron Leftwich, and Drew Brees. For the majority, none of these guys can run. They are pocket passers, just like Leinart. (Leftwich and Plummer are decent runners, but their arms are the best parts of their games). Give me the pocket passer. He might not be able to create on the ground, but they win games. Look at those guys' teams.

Peyton's Colts, playoffs
Carson's Bengals, playoffs
Big Ben's Steelers, playoffs
Hasselbeck's Seahawks, playoffs
Brady's Patriots, playoffs
Plummer's Broncos, playoffs
Leftwich's Jags, playoffs
Vick's Falcons, 3rd in the South, no playoffs
AB's Saints, 4th in the South, no playoffs
Wright's Ravens (He played half a season), no playoffs

Notice a trend? Pocket passers win. Runners, although exciting, don't (with the exception of McNabb who is a better passer than a runner).

why are you talking about stars to me? lendale white rb, will go in the top 15 picks. reggie bush rb, will go within first 2 picks. that's 3 picks in the top 15 of the entire nfl draft. what did texas have on the field that night that equaled that? not including the offensive lineman that usc will send that are top 20 pick.

How do you figure? Leinart threw an interception every 53.875 passes. Young threw an interception every 32.5 passes. That's called math. And it's a huge difference. If the trend continued, and he threw 106 more passes like you say, then he would have thrown 3 more interceptions, giving him a total of 13. 13 interceptions for Young, 8 for Leinart, if you wanna do the math.

well mcnabb ran less last year then any year of his career. i am talking about the year they wen't to the superbowl. that was also his best season. this year he was hurt, but he like mcnair has made the transition in my opinion

the whole thing is everyone faults VY for being a great runner... if he couldnt run ie leinert we wouldnt be discussing this....just b/c he runs everyone thinks he wont be a good qb and i dont see it that way...

well you have a point pak but the fact is the guy nearly ran for what 300 yards in the rose bowl. that pretty much says running qb to me. but at least he is a big frigan dude. if he can throw the ball and be accurate then i think he will be a very good qb kinda like culpepper. i just like the old fashion pocket passer. find them to be the best the league has to offer at qb. just my opinion.

pak, you are fighting a losing battle. some here agree with you, lienart has bust written all over him. too many times we have seen qb's in college play with other great all star college players around them, these college qb's go on to the nfl and the real world comes crashing down ie, gino toretta, danny wurffel, heath schuller etc.

well if they just let him run all over... take it.... whats the point of trying to force a pass when there is no one watchin where u gonna run to...

ie, john elway and steve young. i didn't see a running qb on the national championship game. i saw a qb for texas, that when they attempt to take away the run from him, he passed. and when they attempted to take away the pass from him he ran. what part of that is a strictly running qb? that's john elway- steve young ish chit,.

win thanks for pointing out that the rest of the entire texas team sucked. i am sure they would appreciate that. you are also probably the only idiot that believes that. in the aggie game their running backs won the game for them. they have a very good o-line there. good to know that the texas players outside of vince were horrible

On the contrary. Even though running QB's are prone to injury, I think Vince Young will eventually be a decent NFL QB. I just think it will take him alot longer to make the transition into the pros than it will Leinart who comes from a pro style offense. And his fumble problem scares me alot, being I've had to endure the Aaron Brooks era in New Orleans. Leinart seems to be the better choice at this point.

oh pak he may have been doing that because he couldn't read a d too. not saying that for sure but from what i saw of the guy is if you can get good pressure on him you can get him rattled and get him turning the ball over.

i think it is a little tougher to run the way big vince did in college in the nfl.

You want ratings, here ya go:

IA National Player Report
Passing Efficiency

Year: 2005 Thru: 01/04/06 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 75
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating
1 Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St. QB SO 9 228 156 68.42 2 .88 2273 9.97 17 7.46 175.0
2 Brian Brohm, Louisville QB SO 10 301 207 68.77 5 1.66 2883 9.58 19 6.31 166.7
3 Vince Young, Texas QB JR 13 325 212 65.23 10 3.08 3036 9.34 26 8.00 163.9
4 Troy Smith, Ohio St. QB SR 11 237 149 62.87 4 1.69 2282 9.63 16 6.75 162.7
5 Drew Olson, UCLA QB SR 12 378 242 64.02 6 1.59 3198 8.46 34 8.99 161.6
6 Phil Horvath, Northern Ill. QB JR 9 238 168 70.59 8 3.36 2001 8.41 18 7.56 159.4
7 Brady Quinn, Notre Dame QB JR 12 450 292 64.89 7 1.56 3919 8.71 32 7.11 158.4
8 Matt Leinart, Southern California QB SR 13 431 283 65.66 8 1.86 3815 8.85 28 6.50 157.7
9 Colt Brennan, Hawaii QB SO 12 515 350 67.96 13 2.52 4301 8.35 35 6.80 155.5
10 Drew Stanton, Michigan St. QB JR 11 354 236 66.67 12 3.39 3077 8.69 22 6.21 153.4
11 Brian Johnson, Utah QB SO 10 330 210 63.64 7 2.12 2892 8.76 18 5.45 151.0
12 Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green QB JR 9 321 195 60.75 7 2.18 2590 8.07 26 8.10 150.9

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank....sseff&site=org

and this doesn't include rushing yards or TD's which would put Young way ahead of Leinart if he wasn't already.

USC has two linemen. UT has one (Blalock), that if he comes out, would be a high draft pick.

huh? what? wtf? you guys are simply off your rockers...i made points you can't refute, so one guy goes to talkin about stars? hello! we're talking about players and how they played recently not what their projection was on signing day in college. texas has a good team, if they didn't they wouldn't have gone to the national championship. but texas by no comparison matches the nfl prospects of usc. and you guys no it, so now you go to some other rant calling me names disrespecting the texas team in which i never did.

usc has 3 offensive lineman the nfl is waiting to hear from this weekend, 2 rb's and a qb this is just on offense. now talk stars to me? we are talking top 30 picks all of them and how many does texas have? 2 maybe 3 nuff said!

Cher, we already established the fact that Young has a higher efficiency rating, but his raw #s just aren't anywhere close to Leinart's. Not to mention Young's turnover ratio compared to Leinart's is almost 2:1. Leinart is a safe bet. Young is a gamble.

Also, did you read my post about pocket passers winning? What don't you get about that?

elway, steve young.

i am looking forward to watching vince in the nfl. time will tell that is for sure. i don't think he can make the transition as a passer