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LongTimeFan 01-18-2006 05:59 AM

Payton to keep Brooks
 
Asked if Brooks would stay in N.O

"We talked about that," Payton said. "I enjoy coaching that position. I enjoy being involved in the offense. I would certainly look forward to being involved with that development." ESPN.com
I say there is a chance Brooks is to remain in N.O, Sean may think that he can turn Brooks around, if so he would have the key to the city.

Crusader 01-18-2006 06:09 AM

RE: Payton to keep Brooks
 
In a way I can really understand why he would like that. if you could get the production out of AB that he has potential for and get him to show some leadership then you would have a solid QB and could spend the #2 on something else....

AllSaints 01-18-2006 07:03 AM

RE: Payton to keep Brooks
 
noooooooooooooooooooooo

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Was that you or TheDeuce that I've already warned about doing this. It is a pain in the ass, because it stretches the format of the forum, and becomes a real eyesore. -BnB

gfanaticlsu 01-18-2006 07:06 AM

I don't think he was talking about working on Brooks. I think he was excited about working on a new project, Like Young or Leinart. I think he wants to mold a new quarterback, start fresh on all aspects. It's much easier to teach somone who is not set in his ways alreay, and we all know that Brooks can be set in some bad ways.

mjf150 01-18-2006 07:27 AM

Actually, if you read the article, gfanaticlsu, is right. They asked Payton, during the interveiw process, if how he would feel about developing a young QB, and that was his response. The question was not about Brooks. However, that does not rule-out the possibility that Brooks could stay - unfortunately.

gfanaticlsu 01-18-2006 07:36 AM

I think Brooks can stay in a backup role. Brooks said that he would stay if he had a chance to Compete for a starting spot. Hey, he can compete but the coach doesn't have to give it to him. I think it would be nice to have a backup with starter capability. And who is to say that if we get Young or Lienart that they are ready right away. Look at Carson Palmer. He is from the same system as Lienart, he sat out a year and look at what he did this year. Bengals in the playoffs, who what have thought that it was even possible.
So keeping Brooks in not all bad. He would look good as holder on field goals

mjf150 01-18-2006 07:43 AM

No, no, no. He has to be let go. That is the only way to guarantee that he will never lose a game for us again. Besides, do you really want a rookie QB learning from Brooks' "Ha, ha. I just threw another Int/fumbled the ball. Isn't this fun!" attitude?

gfanaticlsu 01-18-2006 07:54 AM

If we draft a quarterback first, he will be cut or traded because his salary cap hit is to high. There is no way he will stay on the roster with the amount of money a first rate rookie QB will demand. SOooo he will be cut or traded.

gfanaticlsu 01-18-2006 07:55 AM

I was just trying to say that keeping Brooks isn't all bad. There is at least 10% good in keeping him.

Tobias-Reiper 01-18-2006 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gfanaticlsu
I think Brooks can stay in a backup role. Brooks said that he would stay if he had a chance to Compete for a starting spot.

...well, ain't that a noble concept, Mr. Brooks :roll:
..if he stays, I only hope that he gets the same "chance" that both Blake and Jake got of "competing" for the position. Maybe after Leinart is drafted (which, if Brooks is staying, I'm now all for it :) ), he can get his "chance"...

I bet the only reason why he's saying that, is that he got his agent to gauge interest in him around the league and found none.

...and nothing good can come from keeping him. If he gets all bent out of shape when he gets booed for bad play and lashes out at the fans, what do you think is going to happen when some rookie QB beats him out of the starting spot? He's not the Mr. Teammate that Haslett and Co. attempted to portray.

..plus, he doesn't have the attitude. someone who declares himself "a great QB" and calls his team mediocre does not have the attitude to admit his mistakes and attempt to change/learn.

...I'll tell ya, if Payton can turn this clown around, he can run for president and I'll vote for him.

Euphoria 01-18-2006 09:48 AM

Brooks has a gun for an arm, he isn't a bad QB. I said someting of late to this, to see what Payton can do. We have for more areas we need help at and trading the pick we have in this coming draft to get more picks is far better choice. We have Amac in development, Bouman has got to go and you bring in a FA QB or later round pick for the 3rd spot.

saintsfan1274 01-18-2006 09:58 AM

Re: Payton to keep Brooks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LongTimeFan
Asked if Brooks would stay in N.O

"We talked about that," Payton said. "I enjoy coaching that position. I enjoy being involved in the offense. I would certainly look forward to being involved with that development." ESPN.com
I say there is a chance Brooks is to remain in N.O, Sean may think that he can turn Brooks around, if so he would have the key to the city.

When Payton interviewed for the job, he declined to comment on whether he thought Brooks should stay or go, but he did say that the Saints asked him about developing a quarterback.


"We talked about that," Payton said. "I enjoy coaching that position. I enjoy being involved in the offense. I would certainly look forward to being involved with that development."

................Thats what the article actually said, he was referring to drafting a quarterback in the first round.

Euphoria 01-18-2006 10:02 AM

RE: Re: Payton to keep Brooks
 
OMG... people are only reading what they want into it. I don't think he made a decision in either direction but its in the context of refereing to Brooks and he says "...looking forward to being involved in that development". That means Brooks Development as a QB.

ScottyRo 01-18-2006 10:16 AM

RE: Re: Payton to keep Brooks
 
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That means Brooks Development as a QB.
I disagree with that assessment, Euph. The author was talking about AB before Payton's comments, but it's clear that he hasn't made a decision on AB so Payton wouldn't say that he is "looking forward to being involved in [Brooks'] development". He is looking forward to developing a QB for this team. Whether that is AB, a rookie or a veteran FA is TBD.

My personal opinion is that AB will be asked to take a pay cut to stay and compete, which he will decline and the Saints will cut him. That doesn't mean that after he has tested the market he wont re-sign, but that usually doesn't happen.

DblBogey 01-18-2006 10:25 AM

I just pray Payton dopesn't turn Brooks into a science project.

yasoon 01-18-2006 10:42 AM

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its in the context of refereing to Brooks and he says "...looking forward to being involved in that development". That means Brooks Development as a QB.
No, actually it doesn't.

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When Payton interviewed for the job, he declined to comment on whether he thought Brooks should stay or go, but he did say that the Saints asked him about developing a quarterback.

"We talked about that," Payton said. "I enjoy coaching that position. I enjoy being involved in the offense. I would certainly look forward to being involved with that development."
I don't understand where this quote ever turned into "Brooks is staying".

He declined comment on Brooks and the Saints have a raw, late rounder (AMAC) and an early pick that most agree will be spent on Lienart.....those are QBs that will require development.
I hope they're not dumb enough to consider a 5 year starter a "developing" QB, but you never know with these guys. At least there is the money issue and we know that the accountant/GM won't take AB's cap hit.

Whether you love AB or hate him, it's time for him to move on.

GoldenTomb 01-18-2006 11:05 AM

Geez why don't people wait for a real reason to hate the Sean Payton hire? The guy said nothing of keeping or cutting AB. The reason AB sunk to the doghouse in the first place is that he called out Tom Benson in the media. Benson won't forget that. Brooks will be gone.

Winwin 01-18-2006 03:56 PM

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plus, he doesn't have the attitude. someone who declares himself "a great QB" and calls his team mediocre does not have the attitude to admit his mistakes and attempt to change/learn.

sounds like lienfart after the national championship loss, blaming his defense. saying how they beat themselves and texas was not better. going from brooks to lienfart would be like going side to side. the same idiot different tan.

papz 01-18-2006 04:27 PM

With a cheap owner like Benson, unless Brooks takes a big pay cut, there is no way our owner will pay big money to keep Brooks while drafting a high round rookie quarterback. I think it's going to be either we retain Brooks and not draft a quarterback or draft one and let Brooks walk. Who's going to want to trade for Brooks with his bloated salary? No one.

AllSaints 01-18-2006 06:18 PM

brooks stays I quit....

LongTimeFan 01-18-2006 06:19 PM

If the Saints were to draft a QB first round don't you think Brooks should hang around for one more year in order to let the young (did I say young) begin to develope?
I say if Brooks wants to take a pay cut and willing to give his best effort I say it may be a good idea to hold on to him.

hagan714 01-18-2006 06:48 PM

If AB or a veteran FA is around I think and we will develope a mid to late first day QB.
Charlie Whitehurst, QB, Clemson - 4 OC in 4 years but all the tools
Brett Basanez Northwestern - only 6'2" above average arm but SMART
Or a mid day pick in day 2
Matt Gustierrez of Michigan - All the tools just stuck behind some great QB.

xan 01-18-2006 06:57 PM

If you were Payton would you spend $6mill to keep Brooks or spend it on Bentley and other free agents? I'd start fresh if I were him.

TheDeuce 01-18-2006 07:16 PM

Charlie Whitehurst is awful. I've seen him play for the last two years, this last year in person, and the Wake Forest defense made him look bad.

CheramieIII 01-18-2006 08:39 PM

If we draft Leinart, Young or Cutler we should cut AB. Do we really want him hang around to show the rookie how to laugh during critical times in each game or throw INT's in the redzone.

I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Euphoria 01-18-2006 08:47 PM

I don't care if it cost 6 mil to keep him as long as we can post a winning record. Not using our pic on a QB is more worth it in the long run and trading down for extra picks and this may mean Brooks stays.

GoldenTomb 01-18-2006 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xan
If you were Payton would you spend $6mill to keep Brooks or spend it on Bentley and other free agents? I'd start fresh if I were him.

Trade down or not, Brooks needs to go. What justification is there for keeping him??? He's gonna cost the team 6.5 mil and isn't worth half of that. He's done nothing to deserve to stay on the team.

CheramieIII 01-18-2006 08:55 PM

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Trade down or not, Brooks needs to go. What justification is there for keeping him??? He's gonna cost the team 6.5 mil and isn't worth half of that. He's done nothing to deserve to stay on the team.
That's what I'm talkin about!!
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shonboy 01-18-2006 11:35 PM

brooks should go! heres why........do i even need a reason...only keep him as an emergency qb, or even better a trick play qb...i mean who can, with perfection run the play-action, look off the safety, left tackle latteral flea flicker (san diego).........

BooBirdSaint 01-19-2006 10:46 AM

If your a new coach and serious about getting rid of AB then you don't come in a say "AB is totally wrong for my offense and we need a change..." Payton has say all the politically correct things about every player on the roster at this point. Including the ones that he has targeted as trade bait. :gun:

yasoon 01-19-2006 11:03 AM

Bottom line....Brooks needs a fresh start and the Saints need a CLEAN start for the new HC.

Anyone who thinks Brooks could take on a mentoring role is just not looking at this thing right. Paycut with the Saints? I seriously doubt it. There are starting jobs out there for AB and there is no reason for him to stay.

I am tired of Brooks, but I am objective enough to know that he is still one of the top 32 QBs in the league, which means he should still seek a starting job. I mean watching some of the backups this year (Bouman included) at least showed me that Brooks is a starter somewhere. Teams like AZ, MIA, BAL, OAK, BUF......could possibly be interested. They can have him...but someone will pay him better than the paycut he would take here, IMHO. And to that I say HAUL A$$.

Maybe McCarthy will grab him and they can continue their sexy little love affair.

gandhi1007 01-20-2006 10:56 AM

Payton also said that a QB has to be smart & tough with leadership qualities.

We all know that could never be Aaron Brooks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GoldenTomb 01-20-2006 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
Payton also said that a QB has to be smart & tough with leadership qualities.

We all know that could never be Aaron Brooks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well say what u will about AB, even the most biased person cannot deny that the guy is tough. He still needs to go though.

gandhi1007 01-20-2006 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenTomb
Quote:

Originally Posted by gandhi1007
Payton also said that a QB has to be smart & tough with leadership qualities.

We all know that could never be Aaron Brooks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well say what u will about AB, even the most biased person cannot deny that the guy is tough. He still needs to go though.

O.K., maybe tough, but smart w/ leadership qualities? No Way!!!!!!!!!

FireVenturi 01-20-2006 05:04 PM

if he keeps AB he should be fired b4 he coaches the first game!

UK_WhoDat 01-20-2006 05:34 PM

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Well say what u will about AB, even the most biased person cannot deny that the guy is tough. He still needs to go though.
Yep - you are right. No sense, no feeling :lol: :lol:

jergensl 01-20-2006 10:59 PM

mccarthy brought brooks with him from greenbay...brooks actually performed well under the first years of mccarthy...maybe he will want to take brooks with him back to greenbay.

Tobias-Reiper 01-21-2006 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Winwin
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plus, he doesn't have the attitude. someone who declares himself "a great QB" and calls his team mediocre does not have the attitude to admit his mistakes and attempt to change/learn.

sounds like lienfart after the national championship loss, blaming his defense. saying how they beat themselves and texas was not better. going from brooks to lienfart would be like going side to side. the same idiot different tan.

why do they still allow you here, is a mistery to me...

.. there is a BIG, HUGE difference between sticking microphones in the face of a a 22 year old 10 minutes after he lost the biggest game of his life, and he saying "the defense couldn't stop Vince Young", which was true, versus a 29 year old, 6-year NFL veteran QB, in a routine interview prior to a regular season game, calling himself "great" when it is PAINFULLY obvious he is not even good... HUGE difference.

hagan714 01-21-2006 10:12 AM

AB is not a smart qb that is all there is to say

gandhi1007 01-21-2006 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714
AB is not a smart qb that is all there is to say

This has to officially be the understatement of the year! He's dumb as a sack of bricks!!!!!!!!!
LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: LOL


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