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i honestly am at a standstill about what we should do at #2... do we take leinart? do we take young? do we trade down and draft some other position (ferguson, hawk, ryans, lendale white, ngata, etc.)? i'm interested in ya'lls opinion on this matter... if i were loomis, i'd probably entertain offers from other teams looking to trade up, but if they fall short of spectacular, go ahead and draft leinart over young... i feel that young is the 2nd best athlete in this year's draft and will be a good quarterback, but leinart comes in from day one as a starter and can contribute in a major way, even as a leader in the clubhouse... of course, this is only my opinion, and of course we all know how much benson just loves to pay for quality players...

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I think we should trade down personally unless Bush is there at 2, in which case we should either take him or trade the pick. We probably will take Leinart though, which i'm not totally opposed to. The guy will be a rookie though. He won't come in on day 1 and be putting up good numbers. It just doesn't work like that for NFL rookie QBs 99 out of 100 times. He probably won't even put up better numbers than Brooks this year. He will be good in time, but his rookie year he will struggle, which is why we should get an NFL QB vet if we pick Leinart up to soften the transition for him.

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already making excuses for him...

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Billy, what did I tell you about playing nice with others?

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LOL he seems to be the annoying adopted kid that everyone ignores all the time.

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forgive me, lost my head for a second.

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I just don't think I can reasonably predict what is going to happen until more happens in free agency...for now I think Kiper's mock draft is pretty realistic...But I also think that the mock draft that was posted last week was pretty interesting with NO trading down to 18 with Dallas to take Cutler...Wait till free agency is over to see what is going to happen...

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funny analogy :wink:

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Trade down get several extra picks and Hawk at the #4 or with Oakland and get Cutler. The with the second pick either Jacobs if we get Hawk or Sims, Wroten or DQwell if we get Cutler.

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Tade down take the extra pics to many areas we need to improve and bring in some fresh blood. Grabbing one of the QB's will actually make us worse for longer time. We have no line to protect, we have no D. Trade, Trade Trade.

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While I agree that we should trade, I don't think we should trade at any cost. If a team is trying to lowball us just because they know we want to get out of the #2 spot, then we would be stupid not to take Leinart. It's not as simple as trade trade trade.

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Niether do I. I really believe they're are at least a couple of teams that will do a "Ricky Williams" to get Leinart or Young, so I think we will get alot.

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Yes its simple when you have a RB Bush you take him, if you have a special player like Young you take him... Leinart will not be the answer, trade the pic... and it will be very easy... HINT: Oakland wants Leinart.

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I do agree with the Bush pick. He's the one player I would take over Leinart in that spot. However how do you justify taking Young in that spot and not Leinart??? Young is just as unproven as Leinart is. Plus like you said what OL or DL free agent will want to come to the Saints and block for an unproven QB. You bring either Young or Leinart here and they will struggle in their rookie year. And if the right trade isn't there and Bush is not there at #2 take Leinart. He's the highest rated player on the board at that point. Or do you not like Leinart at all????

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Young is undefeated in big games and had less talent around him for one. More talent, more athletic, can put a team on his shoulders and take them to a victory. Youngs team had the 13th highest strenght of schedule against Lein's 20th. There is a dram on completion percentages 65.23-65.66, but the passer rating hands down is Young 163.9 to Leinarts 157.7 Sorry I have to go with Young... as a starting QB on a team that needs a leader to show them what he can and will do to win, you have to take young.

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I'm betting that because of the acute need for quality QB's right now, many more teams would like to switch up and grab Young over Leinart because he has more upside. I say let'm if that's what they want.

I think a lot will depend on whether Payton wants to make a science project of AB or he wants to nurture ML into a great NFL QB. If chooses neither of those scenarios then you may see a trading of the #2 pick.

i agree that it is very hard to nail down what should happen in the draft until you start to solidify your team through free agency... rookie quarterbacks usually have a rough go at it for their first year (a la eli manning), but we are talking about the most successful starting quarterback in college football history... don't get me wrong, i'm not totally sold on leinart (i think that he may be a product of having an immense amount of talent around him), so i'm not saying we definitely take him, but considering we NEED a new quarterback and he's the best quarterback (vince young is the best athlete that plays quarterback, but not the best quarterback) it makes sense... personally, i think we have to get some more picks, but not at the expense of getting perhaps a future all-pro quarterback...

You best go look at the stats dude Leinart isn't the best QB. Thats why we need to trade down.

actually i think cutler has the chance to be better then both leinert and young... he was a really good qb on a very bad team... ala eli manning...and he played in the SEC against many of the top Defenses in the nation....

Agreed.. Cutler will turn out to be Big Ben of this years draft. A quarterback without a supporting cast with a very strong arm and can move in and out of the pocket that has played against pro style defences will have the most upside.

Leinart has a tendancy to float balls, and the saint's recievers have a tendency to drop balls that hit them in the hands, does anyone think that the saints current group of recievers are going to risk exposure to ingury to catch those high floaters...I don't.

Trade down and get more value for the dollar.

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You exposed yourself dude. So it's not the fact that you don't think we should pick a quarterback at #2. It's the fact that you don't think that the team will pick who you want them to, who is Young. So you would rather trade down and keep Brooks if they won't pick Vince Young???? Outstanding. And the stat difference isn't really that convincing at all. 163.9 to 157.7 isn't like comparing great to good. Those are both outstanding QB ratings. This year Leinart threw for more yards, more touchdowns and less INTs, the stats that really matter. But you want to play the QB ratings game....cool. Look at the QB ratings in Young's previous two seasons, 130.64 and 128.37 respectively. Leinart posted QB ratings of 164.46 and 156.54. So over the long term, Leinart has proven to be much more consistent. He never threw for more than 9 INTs in any given season, with only 6 in 2004. You can say what you want about the TDs and him having all that talent around him, but he doesn't make very many bad decisions, which has nothing to do with talent around him and has everything to do with a player's instincts and decision making. Young's one great year reminds me of so many QBs that had one great year prior to entering the NFL draft, such as Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf and Kyle Boller.

The BIG GAME arguement doesn't really hold water either. I personally don't care how a QB does in big games. Every game counts in the NFL, not just the "big" ones.

I really am not crazy about Leinart or Young, but if you are comparing stats Leinart still comes out ahead. But I can see you obviously love Young and won't be objective about this, so whatever.

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Don't think I could have said it better myself, especially your parting line. That's why I don't bother trying to explain it anymore :P

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GT pretty much nailed that one. One of the reasons I haven't posted much lately is the repetitiveness of arguing against straight bias, which a lot of people have against Leinart. At least GT is willing to be objective. Kudos GT.

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HA well I am STILL for trading down for the pick, if and only if we are able to get equal value for the pick, which would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a mid 1st, 3rd, and 4th this year, a 1st next year and a 2nd or 3rd the year after that. Other than that if Bush was at #2 i would still be in favor of picking him, Deuce here or not. Slim chance that we get that kind of a trade or that Bush will be there, so i am trying to warm up to the idea of picking Leinart. He would make the most sense in that spot.

Unlike a lot of people on this board, i think that we can be successful if the team goes in a number of directions, not only if they do it my way. After all, how often do they do what any of us want anyway? :)