Chris Mortensen

GoldenTomb · 01-30-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Mayock said the same thing Mort said.

Does anyone remember where Rivers was originally predicted to be drafted after the end of the college season?

LOL it's just not going to happen. Any other team in the number 2 spot, MAYBE would pick Cutler as the first QB. I don't think Mort or that other guy are looking at the draft at a team-by-team basis. Could Cutler be the most talented QB in the draft??? Absolutely. I'll be the first person on this board to say that. Will he be the first QB picked(our pick)??? No way.

And there are always pundits that prefer to be contrarian. It's boring if everyone is the same. The contrarian just so happens to be a well known correspondent in Mortensen. There is never going to be universal agreement on who will go where in the draft. I do question anyone who has Cutler going as the first QB taken. Most talented or not, there is so much more that goes into picking a player in the early rounds of draft than talent. I doubt seriously that they stick with these statements within the next month.

BlackandBlue · 01-30-2006, 06:33 PM

I don't think Mort or that other guy are looking at the draft at a team-by-team basis.

I gurantee they aren't, at least, Mayock never has, which was my point in another thread. He doesn't really care about the teams and what their draft order is, so much as just evaluating talent.

In case you were wondering, after the 2003-04 season ended, Rivers was projected as an early 2nd round pick. It was his play during the senior bowl and personal workouts that elevated him to top-3. Do I think Cutler will follow that same path? No, in my opinion, he might reach the end of the 1st, but that's it. But, you never know, and there are things that can happen after the season has ended that will move people around, as far as draft value is concerned.

TheDeuce · 01-30-2006, 09:20 PM

Apparently he had good practices during Senior week, but he obviously had a poor showing in the Senior Bowl. Most likely scenario for this guy is going to Detroit or Arizona.

I still believe that he's just the "trendy pick." Everybody is taking Leinart or Young, Mort wanted a little shock value, so he goes with the dark horse Cutler. But I don't think Cutler's near as good as the other two. Probably the best thing you can look at is his mediocre passing completion percentage. Another thing to consider is Scouts, Inc. ranks him as the #17 player on their big board, and Mel Kiper has him at #14. Obviously he's talented, and could turn out to be a good pick, but he's not top 3 material. End of story.

AllSaints · 01-31-2006, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by LongTimeFan

"Let's get something straight right off the mark. This is not a knock against Matt Leinart or Vince Young. This also is not a knock against my colleague and friend Mel Kiper Jr., our ESPN draft scout, who does a terrific job.

However, this I'm pretty sure about: Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt is the best quarterback available for the NFL draft come April.

I am not alone. A bunch of NFL scouts are whispering the same thing during Senior Bowl week in Mobile, Ala. Some of those even will put out some "negatives" on Cutler deliberately in hopes that he'll drop a little in the draft. It's not going to work.
"

I agree with Chris a lot of times but not on this.

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01-30-2006, 06:26 PM	#21
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Mayock said the same thing Mort said. Does anyone remember where Rivers was originally predicted to be drafted after the end of the college season? LOL it's just not going to happen. Any other team in the number 2 spot, MAYBE would pick Cutler as the first QB. I don't think Mort or that other guy are looking at the draft at a team-by-team basis. Could Cutler be the most talented QB in the draft??? Absolutely. I'll be the first person on this board to say that. Will he be the first QB picked(our pick)??? No way. And there are always pundits that prefer to be contrarian. It's boring if everyone is the same. The contrarian just so happens to be a well known correspondent in Mortensen. There is never going to be universal agreement on who will go where in the draft. I do question anyone who has Cutler going as the first QB taken. Most talented or not, there is so much more that goes into picking a player in the early rounds of draft than talent. I doubt seriously that they stick with these statements within the next month.
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01-30-2006, 06:33 PM	#22
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	I don't think Mort or that other guy are looking at the draft at a team-by-team basis. I gurantee they aren't, at least, Mayock never has, which was my point in another thread. He doesn't really care about the teams and what their draft order is, so much as just evaluating talent. In case you were wondering, after the 2003-04 season ended, Rivers was projected as an early 2nd round pick. It was his play during the senior bowl and personal workouts that elevated him to top-3. Do I think Cutler will follow that same path? No, in my opinion, he might reach the end of the 1st, but that's it. But, you never know, and there are things that can happen after the season has ended that will move people around, as far as draft value is concerned.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

01-30-2006, 09:20 PM	#23
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Apparently he had good practices during Senior week, but he obviously had a poor showing in the Senior Bowl. Most likely scenario for this guy is going to Detroit or Arizona. I still believe that he's just the "trendy pick." Everybody is taking Leinart or Young, Mort wanted a little shock value, so he goes with the dark horse Cutler. But I don't think Cutler's near as good as the other two. Probably the best thing you can look at is his mediocre passing completion percentage. Another thing to consider is Scouts, Inc. ranks him as the #17 player on their big board, and Mel Kiper has him at #14. Obviously he's talented, and could turn out to be a good pick, but he's not top 3 material. End of story.
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01-31-2006, 08:10 PM	#24
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: Chris Mortensen Originally Posted by LongTimeFan "Let's get something straight right off the mark. This is not a knock against Matt Leinart or Vince Young. This also is not a knock against my colleague and friend Mel Kiper Jr., our ESPN draft scout, who does a terrific job. However, this I'm pretty sure about: Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt is the best quarterback available for the NFL draft come April. I am not alone. A bunch of NFL scouts are whispering the same thing during Senior Bowl week in Mobile, Ala. Some of those even will put out some "negatives" on Cutler deliberately in hopes that he'll drop a little in the draft. It's not going to work. " I agree with Chris a lot of times but not on this. bwhahahaahahahaha hahaha

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