Greenbay May Want AB!
 

From pfw

Sources in Titletown expect the Packers to recruit a veteran quarterback to Green Bay. We’re told head coach Mike McCarthy would be interested in acquiring Aaron Brooks or Tim Rattay, former pupils of his in New Orleans and San Francisco, respectively. It’s not a certainty either player will be available, but each has a high salary relative to his impact thus far. Brooks might only consider coming to Green Bay as the team’s starter, an opportunity unlikely to be extended to him unless Aaron Rodgers fails to perform in minicamps without Brett Favre. Should Favre retire, though, Brooks could be enticed to join Green Bay to compete for the starting spot.

If we can get a third for him go for it!

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If we could get a late seventh round for him, go for it!

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.....Oh! And a bag of Frito's. .....Bar-B-Que. .....Snack-size.

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I heard they wanted Brooks, because the guy that ran the drivable snow plow at Lambeau died & well, Brooks seemed like the perfect replacement for him after his play last season.

"No Aaron, the P is for park. If you want to make it go, you have to put it in drive. That's the letter D!"


:mrgreen: :bang: :mrgreen:

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At least a 4th for AB, then take it.

I'd settle for them paying for his plane ticket out of New Orleans.

Yeah I would too, but some kind of draft pick would be nice.

Even if we can't get a stupid GM like say Matt Millen to bite on taking Brooks, canning his sorry butt would put us at around $17 million under the cap. So, whether we get a draft pick or not, it is best for us to get rid of Brooks to free up more money for free agency.

Here's a thought, we give them Brooks in exchange for Farve, then draft Young, who better to teach a young QB than Farve, Farve could be our starter next season , then in two years it would be Young's team and Brett would retire a Packer, everybody would be happy, make sense?
If the Packers do take Rattey or Brooks might be an addiction that Farve won't be a Packer next season either by a trade or he simply retires..

Right on LTF. Trade Brooks for Farve. And have the caveat that if Farve retires before the season's over, we get a 3rd this year or a 4th next year.

In a perfect world, that would be a great scenario, except for the V. Young part. I would definately take Leinart over Young. Young has that fumbleitis thing much like AB. Not to mention, there is a short shelf life for running QB's in the NFL. In reality though, Green Bay will not let Favre go unless its to retire. He is too big of an icon to the Green Bay fan base. :cry:

Not that I'm against that trade, but... Favre has stated that it's not his job to get a young QB ready to play. It's his job to be a starter. He's supposedly not taught Aaron Rogers anything in his rookie year.

Hell if we can't get anything for him just cut him. I like the 17 million under the salary cap. Hey does anyone know if that 17 million is already deducting Howards salary? I don't believe it is and at that point we would have alot more money for some good FA's.

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Just a couple of observations on this topic.

1. Green Bay is run by a bunch of idiots for hiring McCarthy.
2. If McCarthy wants Brooks, then he probably is willing to give up WAY too much to be reunited with him.
3. New coach + idiots running the franchise = we get more for Brooks than he's worth.

McCarthy is our best bet to really take advantage of anyone with a Brooks trade. I'd shop him to Green Bay pretty hard. I wouldn't really ask for any players to complicate the deal either. I wouldn't really be shocked if McCarthy was willing to give a 2nd for him and I'd laugh all the way to the bank. McCarthy will never have more influence in personnel matters, so I'd really be in favor of dealing Brooks before draft day.

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First of all, this is probably all just speculation because some guy at PFW noticed that McCarthy once coached Brooks, so he thought he'd make some crap up and post it.

But hey, if PFW is right for once, then yeah, get AB's dumb arse out of here. Any first-day draft pick would be amazing, but even a 4th would be good too.

And another note. ISN'T THERE A HUGE CAP PENALTY FOR JUST CUTTING A PLAYER??????? I think that if we cut him, we will take a huge cap penalty for it, but maybe I'm just making that up. Any enlightenment?

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I agree cher, If we can't get a penny for him, cut him and be happy with the 17 mil, I just want him gone.
I don't see the packers given us their 2nd pick, Brooks isn't worth that, let's be honest, a 4th or 5th maybe, hell a hand shake would work for me.
As for the penalty for cutting a player I haven't read anything on us paying a penalty for cutting Brooks, I know that if we cut him before March 1st we don't owe Brooks a dime.

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I thought I remember reading that even if we cut Brooks, there's a significant cap hit (4 or5 mil?) for us. I think I read it somewhere late in the season when Brooks was benched, but I don't remember where, or when.

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Actually, that's incorrect. Brooks has been paid the vast majority of his bonuses, which causes the cap hits when players are cut. His 6 point something mil salary is mainly just that, salary, so if we cut him, he is at minimal cap charge. I doubt it would even be a million dollars total. We have the keys to get rid of him, it's just a matter of if we do it or not.

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Do the math. 4 or 5 million is (greater than or less than) 17 million. Think we should give them Brooks and a complimentary 7th round pick for taking him off our hands. But I still want the bag of Fritos.... Snack-size.... Bar-B-Que.

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I'd like a 3rd, to make up for the Brown trade.....

You guys can't be serious. Getting rid of Brooks for late-round pics? Hell no!! Anyone who will take him will understand the circumstances from last year and see that he is more valuable that a late pick. I hope the Saints push for it if they are going to let him go. Personally, I don't think AB is the sole reason for our failures. This team has a bunch of holes that need fixin. I still feel that AB can thrive under a new offensive system. Especially west coast. He is good at rolling out and good at the short pass game. I dunno....maybe I am just more forgiving than most.

I agree with Jeebs

AB sucked before "this year's circumstances." Anyone recall the backwards pass? The underhanded pass to a linebacker? Leading the league in red zone turnovers? Leading the league in lost fumbles? Why would anyone want that clown again in any system?

Do you also remember the year he threw 24 TD's and only 8 INT's? The man has his pros as well as his cons. In all the years I have been watching Brooks one thing I noticed was that Haslett did not use his talents appropriately. I honestly feel that he can thrive under a new system. And lets not forget that the "clown" is the only QB in Saints' history with a playoff win. No other Saints QB can add that to their resume. All I am saying is....if we really have to let him go...then we BETTER get something damn well worth it.

Yeah, but that was 3 seasons ago, and if you want to look at the stats look at this year because that is what matters. He threw only 13 TD's and 17 INT's. Maybe if they ignore all of the bad stuff, we can get a family-size bag of Bar-B-Que Fritos instead of settling for the snack-size, and some dip, too!

Side note: That wonderful season that you speak of from three years back, you left out that he fumbled the ball 14 times. 14 'bleeping' times!

Dude, you're channeling me! Let me be the first to point out though that Brooks lost 11 fumbles that season.

I presume that Brooks has no roster bonuses or anything like that. If that's the case and the Saints do plan to release him, it won't be until after June 1, where the cap hit is spread over 2 years. So he'll only be $2-2.5 million in dead money in 2006 and 2007.

I also think its unlikely anyone will trade for him. All bets are he'll be a free agent in June. So why give up something now (or April) when you can simply wait six weeks and negotiate free and clear without having to give up anything?

I do find it interesting that Payton hasn't really addressed the subject at all. Does anyone knows what he thinks about Brooks?

We'll get better clues on draft day, mini camps (we get an extra one), and June 1st. The logical progression is that we draft a QB in the #2 slot in April, the guy practices with the 1st team in the mini camps, and Brooks is cut June 1.

All of which BTW I agree with. While Brooks certainly isn't as terrible as everyone makes him out to be, he's not worth $6-$7 million that are the last two years of his contract either.

Personally if I were Payton and Loomis, I'd be trying to get the guy to sign a cheap, cap friendly contract with the promise that he can compete for the starting job in 2006 on a level field with the annointed rookie. Call it a cheap insurance policy.

I bet most of you are damn glad that the Saints are not my day job! :D

SFIAH

OK, I'm konfused about the bonus and how it hits the cap. I know, we paid Brooks at least 1 bonus, and I know there was a 2nd bonus in the package to be paid somewhere. I don't know if we paid the 2nd or not. Anyway, if AB's bonus $ were 10 mil, wouldn't that 10 be spread across the life of the contract(depending on how they structured the deal, usually back loaded)? He signed a 5 year(?) contract and we are cutting him after year 3(?) the amount of the bonus is accelerated to this year, unless cut after 1 June, and you get to split the bonus. So IF AB's bonus was 10 mil paid in year 1, but split accross the length of the contract paid so, assuming the following about his BONUS ONLY:

year 1 = 1mil,
year 2 = 1mil,
year 3 = 2 mil,
year 4 = 2 mil,
year 5 = 4 mil.

Since we cut him after year 3, we would have a $6million cap hit?


I know, the actual dollars are different and the amounts in each year too, but is the theory correct?

No.The bonus is equally spread over the years no matter how it's paid out. If he was paid $10 mil in bonusus, then it's $2 mil a year. So after3 years $4 mill would be owed. It can be split across two years. It's dead money that's already been paid but still counts against the cap for those years.

SFIAH

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he wants young bwahahahahahahahahh bwhahahahhah Man just get brooks out .......... get him gone not even back up qb on new orleans he has to leave...............

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Favre has stated in interviews he will not play his last season anywhere but GB, Simply put guys I'd love to see but you can hang that dream up, it aint gonna happen....The word on the Favre rogers thing is that Favre does not like him and does not like the fact that GB drfted a qb so high...He said he would not teach Rogers anything and he hasn't...favre however for the last three season has taught another qb, Craig Nall...When Nall got playing time two seasons ago when they got blownout or were blowing out someone else Favre watched the game with a big smile on his face and talked to nall from the sideline...When Rogers played in the preseason and sparingly during the season...he wasn't watching

Favre aint comin'...If we trade down...pray we can get someone better than Kitna, Volek, or even Culpepper

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You don't think any of these QB's would do better than Brooks? Hell my sister, who actually has hair on her back will be the QB for 23.50 an hour and do alot better job.

.. so?

...go check Mark Rypien's stats in 1991... they're awesome... got ring...
... or Jeff George... any year...
... Trent Dilfer.. got ring...

..you can spew all of the stats you want, and the "he's the onb;u QB with a playoff win" thing - because, of course, he won it all by himself, right? -

The fact of the matter is that NO QB IN NFL HISTORY has gotten the treatment and opportunities to succeed that Brooks has.
Name me ONE 1st round pick that has stayed a starter with a team for 5 YEARS with the same results. You may find one or two before 1990, because there was no free agency back then, but still...
Name me ONE QB who's team has cut the playbook in half and dumbed down the terminology to cater to the QB's intelligence.
Name me ONE QB who's been sent to leadership classes.
Name me ONE TEAM that has attempted to bring in Montana to teach the QB to be a QB...

Now, I don't doubt that you'll find one or two examples of the above if you dig dep enough, but I can guarantee you that you will not find ONE QB who has benefitted from all of the above.
Brooks has had the opportunity to shine...
...he's never been afraid of losing his job because there's never been competition any camp. Rememeber Boumann saying he only gets snaps with the practice squad? Remember Blake not playing with the 1st team in preseason? Remember jake not coming in in 2002?
...he's had talent around him - all of those 24 TD catches didn't exactly hit receivers in the numbers... matter of fact, you can accuse Brooks of a lot of things, but you can't ever accuse him of hitting someone in the numbers, unless those are the numbers on the back of the receivers..

..how many more changes can a QB get just because he's got a strong arm?

Um, do you know that year he led the league in lost fumbles? Had 4 in a loss to Tamps, 2 when noone touched him. He's a buffoon. He needs to go on the first thing smoking out da 504.

Never hitting recievers in the numbers? C'mon....now you are just talking out of frustration. Brooks always hit the numbers. Both recievers and defensive backs...LOL. Seriously though....how do you know they simplified the playbook for HIM? Second....I'm glad you mentioned Rypien and Dilfer because they both prove my point....it takes much more than a QB to win. It sounds to me like you feel that AB is the primary source of our problems and thats a load of crap. If the Saints were leading the league in DROPPED passes and FALSE STARTS...is that AB's fault? So lets get Peyton Manning....lets lead the league in DROPPED passes again...so we can all say.... its all Manning's fault! WTF?? Brooks for the most part has played good enough to win. Blocked field goals over here.....fumbles over there.....bad tackling on defense...missed field goals...sure...its AALLL AB's fault. Kitna?? Why don't we get Charlie Batch while we are at it?

Answer: http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...05/Preview.htm

Saints' preview

By Mike Triplett
Aug. 29, 2005


The Saints made few offseason additions to a defense that ranked 32nd in the NFL last year. Instead, New Orleans is counting on several changes it made midway through the 2004 campaign that helped the team win its final four games and just miss the playoffs with an 8-8 record.

FS Dwight Smith was the only major free-agent signing on defense. The Saints are expecting him to be a presence and a difference-maker in the secondary — much like LCB Mike McKenzie, whom the team acquired in a trade with Green Bay last October. The team loves what it has seen from both players so far, and the secondary is the most improved unit on the team.

The Saints have skewed younger on defense. RCB Fakhir Brown, DLT Howard Green, MLB Courtney Watson, WLB Colby Bockwoldt and SLB James Allen are all expected to resume the starting jobs they earned during different points last year. The team released former starters S Tebucky Jones, CB Ashley Ambrose, LB Orlando Ruff and LB Derrick Rodgers.

Run stopping continues to be a sticking point for this unit. But if the Saints can get better on first and second downs, then they can really make things happen on 3rd-and-long with that improved secondary and a terrific trio of DEs (Darren Howard, Charles Grant and Will Smith).

The Saints’ offense looks pretty familiar as well, but the attitude has changed slightly. Under new offensive coordinator Mike Sheppard, the team has simplified the playbook and terminology and will emphasize the run game more than ever before. That’s not a bad idea with its franchise player, RB Deuce McAllister, having recently signed a seven-year contract extension.

New Orleans added free-agent ORG Jermane Mayberry, then drafted ORT Jammal Brown with the 13th pick in the first round to shore up the running game. The Saints thought long and hard about drafting OLB Thomas Davis with that pick, but they felt Brown could be a foundation of their offense for years to come and haven’t regretted the pick one bit so far.

WR Az-Zahir Hakim was added late in free agency to compete for the No. 3 receiver job that was vacated by free agent Jerome Pathon in the offseason. The team also added backup RB Antowain Smith and is deeper than ever before at every offensive skill position.

Speculation will again be rampant that this is a make-or-break season for head coach Jim Haslett, who last reached the playoffs in 2000. Over the last four years, the Saints have gone 7-9, 9-7, 8-8 and 8-8.

Optimism is high this year with so many pieces in place. But a leap to 10-6 won’t be easy in a division that also includes Atlanta and Carolina.

MJF....I know they simplified the playbook..LOL. I'm asking did they do it for Brooks' specifically?

The guy has been responsible for 100 turnovers in just 77 games. That's 78 INTs and 22 Fumbles - LOST. That's not counting the fact that he put the ball on the ground an additional 54 times. Him, alone. The best thing for both parties (that includes Brooks) is to part ways completely. Let him move on and let the team look toward the future, with a quarterback of the future.

How could it be any clearer? TURNOVERS and MENTAL MISTAKES are not coaching. Those are players faults. I am 100% sure Haslett and Co didn't coach Brooks to make stupid mistakes like turning the ball over, and running 25 yards back wards on scrambles. You can have any offense you want, an inconsistent QB will kill it. If they knew going into every game what they were gonna get from AB, this would be alot more successful team whether he turned the ball over or not. But you can't, cause AB is so maddeningly inconsistent you never know what you are gonna get. Just let the clown ride. It's best for everyone.

Kordell Stewart got 6 seasons with the Steelers.

Michael Vick, Steve McNair (with the Norm Chow offense), Rob Johnson (with Buffalo), Eli Manning. Hard to justify after 5 years starting in the same offense though.

Can't answer that one, but it seems like lots of teams buy into the "mentoring" thing for younger QB's. But the point is well made.

Outstanding point.

I agree.

First, BMG, why are you defending Brooks? Second, Kordell Stewart was with the Steelers for 8 not 6 seasons, he only played a full 16 games 6 times. Is that what you mean? Third, in those 8 seasons he played 114 games, that's 37 games LESS than AB, and he still threw less INTs (72) and had FEWER lost Fumbles (13). If you break it down per game, it gets worse. AB turnovers rate is 1.298 per game, while Stewart's was 0.745 - much, much less than Brooks.

So, in fact his results, are much better than Brooks, which would justify why he stayed around longer.