Decision on Brooks Coming Soon

BlackandBlue · 02-23-2006, 08:48 AM

lol

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 09:37 AM

What if you leave your house today and get run over by a truck?
Are you going to stay home forever just because there's a chance a truck will run over you ?

Zach asked a legitamate question. Why shy away from the possibility T-R? You know that if Brooks has a good year next year that this board will get rather quiet. If there is one thing I do remember its that AB threw better passes when he was protected. So we restructure his contract and draft Brick for added o-line beef. Brooks all of a sudden has a QB Rating of like 130.5. LOL...Anything is possible T-R....even getting hit by trucks. ;0)

saintswhodi · 02-23-2006, 09:50 AM

If there is one thing I do remember its that AB threw better passes when he was protected. So we restructure his contract and draft Brick for added o-line beef. Brooks all of a sudden has a QB Rating of like 130.5

That'sa load. Brooks has NEVER, AT ANY POINT, NOT IN ANY SEASON, completed 60% of his passes. And last year was the first year our receivers led the league in "drops." The FACT is Brooks is inaccurate, has no pocket presence, and only seems to play in the late moments of games, although he seemed to have lost even that this year. He has gotten WORSE every year. That's the only thing consistent about him. I don't care if he agreed to PAY THE SAINTS to play here, his ass needs to go. It doesn't matter how cheap he is, it matters that HE IS NOT A GOOD QB. Period. No amount of money saved if worth that fact. If your house needed a roof, and some guy offered to do it for free but it would leak awfully, and another guy was gonna do it for $4000 but it would last you 30 years, are you going with the free guy simply cause he is free, even though you would get a shoddy roof? I don't think so. It's the same with Brooks, no amount iof pay cut is gonna make him a better QB. NONE. He's not worth a hill of jelly beans. He has to go.

zachsaints52 · 02-23-2006, 10:17 AM

In 2003 he 59.1 % .... maybe not 60, but I bet he never had a line like the line that COULD be here next year. Bentley at Center, Holland and jean Gilles (2nd round, but use other 2nd rounder we get for the #2 pick trade use on LB), and Brick and Brown at T's.... Whats not to like there? Even if not Jean Gilles, Mayberry and Jcox could together work on the other Guard spot. I say give him one shot with a great o-line, but if he sucks, kick him out. I think this could work if he just has time.

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 10:29 AM

Hey whodi...you sound like AB bumped in to you at the mall one day and insulted your mom or something!! LOL...Seriously though what erks me the most is that Brooks has on quite a few occasions has shown signs of brilliance. (Whodi....hold your animocity for a sec and think back.) We've seen him throw the worst passes in the hands of the worst people many times. We've also seen him avoid getting sacked, run away from some of the fastest linemen and linebackers and throw perfect passes while still running. I honestly feel that Haslett's coaching and the not so great O-Line we have definitely contributed to some of AB's performance. Like most of you, however, there is one thing that gets to me.... how did that footbal keep slipping from his hand?!?!? Many times we've seen QB's thrive with one coach and completely fall apart under another. Who is to say that Payton's approach won't work for AB?!?!?

saintswhodi · 02-23-2006, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by zachsaints52

In 2003 he 59.1 % .... maybe not 60, but I bet he never had a line like the line that COULD be here next year. Bentley at Center, Holland and jean Gilles (2nd round, but use other 2nd rounder we get for the #2 pick trade use on LB), and Brick and Brown at T's.... Whats not to like there? Even if not Jean Gilles, Mayberry and Jcox could together work on the other Guard spot. I say give him one shot with a great o-line, but if he sucks, kick him out. I think this could work if he just has time.

59.1 is not sixty, but keep looking, you'll never find it. And who cares about a COULD be line? Bentley is gone. No tag, he is gonna go someplace else. So your whole line idea just imploded. 6 years is long enough for any QB in the world in the same system. Haslett didn't force Brooks to not try and improve in the offseasons. Haslett doesn't force Brooks to not look at game pics on the sideline like most every other QB does to find ways to beat a defense. Haslett doesn't force Brooks to not work out ON HIS OWN with his receivers in the offseason. These are thing BROOKS could do himself to improve, but didn't and never has. Haslett did force Brooks to go to leadership classes though. Why would anyone want a QB that has to be TAUGHT leadership? Isn't that supposed to be natural considering you play the most important position on the field? And prob have since elem school? They could build a time machine and import the Dallas Cowboys Superbowl line back here, the fact is, the guy taking the snaps would still be Aaron Brooks, and that alone makes the whole situation a losing one.

saintswhodi · 02-23-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Hey whodi...you sound like AB bumped in to you at the mall one day and insulted your mom or something!! LOL...Seriously though what erks me the most is that Brooks has on quite a few occasions has shown signs of brilliance. (Whodi....hold your animocity for a sec and think back.) We've seen him throw the worst passes in the hands of the worst people many times. We've also seen him avoid getting sacked, run away from some of the fastest linemen and linebackers and throw perfect passes while still running. I honestly feel that Haslett's coaching and the not so great O-Line we have definitely contributed to some of AB's performance. Like most of you, however, there is one thing that gets to me.... how did that footbal keep slipping from his hand?!?!? Many times we've seen QB's thrive with one coach and completely fall apart under another. Who is to say that Payton's approach won't work for AB?!?!?

The bad FAR FAR FAR outweighs the good Brooks has done. I have seen him outrun linemen, CAUSE HE DROPPED BACK INTO THE RUSH, or got too much depth on drops, allowing thelinemen to be beat. Ask yourself, when EVER have you seen Brooks simply step up in the pocket and make a throw? If someone breathes on him, he is spinning and backpedlaing. That is about a 0 on pocket awareness. But I am sure he has done it once or twice, it's the fact he doesn't do it CONSISTENTLY that kills the team. Your own statement outlines the problem with Brooks:

We've seen him throw the worst passes in the hands of the worst people many times. We've also seen him avoid getting sacked, run away from some of the fastest linemen and linebackers and throw perfect passes while still running.

That's the problem, you never know what you are gonna get from Brooks not just from game to game, at any given moment, and NO coach, team, or offense will EVER be successful with a QB like that. NEVER.

Tobias-Reiper · 02-23-2006, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

What if you leave your house today and get run over by a truck?
Are you going to stay home forever just because there's a chance a truck will run over you ?

Zach asked a legitamate question. Why shy away from the possibility T-R? You know that if Brooks has a good year next year that this board will get rather quiet. If there is one thing I do remember its that AB threw better passes when he was protected. So we restructure his contract and draft Brick for added o-line beef. Brooks all of a sudden has a QB Rating of like 130.5. LOL...Anything is possible T-R....even getting hit by trucks. ;0)

..and I gave him a legitimate answer... a what if question deserves a what if answer...

... yes sure, anything can happen... birds could fly North for the winter, right? After all, they have wings and a sense of direction.. but I doubt they are going to start flying North for the winter any time soon because I know that birds are flying away from the cold weather... comprende?

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 11:26 AM

How does the definite logic of birds NOT flying north in the winter relate to the possibility of Brooks doing well under coach Payton?

saintswhodi · 02-23-2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

What if you leave your house today and get run over by a truck?
Are you going to stay home forever just because there's a chance a truck will run over you ?

Zach asked a legitamate question. Why shy away from the possibility T-R? You know that if Brooks has a good year next year that this board will get rather quiet. If there is one thing I do remember its that AB threw better passes when he was protected. So we restructure his contract and draft Brick for added o-line beef. Brooks all of a sudden has a QB Rating of like 130.5. LOL...Anything is possible T-R....even getting hit by trucks. ;0)

..and I gave him a legitimate answer... a what if question deserves a what if answer...

... yes sure, anything can happen... birds could fly North for the winter, right? After all, they have wings and a sense of direction.. but I doubt they are going to start flying North for the winter any time soon because I know that birds are flying away from the cold weather... comprende?

TR, and I am not saying this to disrespect anyone, but I think you and I both need to realize if after 6 years of seeing Aaron Brooks play, someone doesn't realize he is not the answer, they prob never will, and we are both wasting our breath. Brooks is just about gone, and we will have been arguing for nothing.

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02-23-2006, 10:29 AM	#35
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Hey whodi...you sound like AB bumped in to you at the mall one day and insulted your mom or something!! LOL...Seriously though what erks me the most is that Brooks has on quite a few occasions has shown signs of brilliance. (Whodi....hold your animocity for a sec and think back.) We've seen him throw the worst passes in the hands of the worst people many times. We've also seen him avoid getting sacked, run away from some of the fastest linemen and linebackers and throw perfect passes while still running. I honestly feel that Haslett's coaching and the not so great O-Line we have definitely contributed to some of AB's performance. Like most of you, however, there is one thing that gets to me.... how did that footbal keep slipping from his hand?!?!? Many times we've seen QB's thrive with one coach and completely fall apart under another. Who is to say that Payton's approach won't work for AB?!?!?
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02-23-2006, 10:35 AM	#36
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by zachsaints52 In 2003 he 59.1 % .... maybe not 60, but I bet he never had a line like the line that COULD be here next year. Bentley at Center, Holland and jean Gilles (2nd round, but use other 2nd rounder we get for the #2 pick trade use on LB), and Brick and Brown at T's.... Whats not to like there? Even if not Jean Gilles, Mayberry and Jcox could together work on the other Guard spot. I say give him one shot with a great o-line, but if he sucks, kick him out. I think this could work if he just has time. 59.1 is not sixty, but keep looking, you'll never find it. And who cares about a COULD be line? Bentley is gone. No tag, he is gonna go someplace else. So your whole line idea just imploded. 6 years is long enough for any QB in the world in the same system. Haslett didn't force Brooks to not try and improve in the offseasons. Haslett doesn't force Brooks to not look at game pics on the sideline like most every other QB does to find ways to beat a defense. Haslett doesn't force Brooks to not work out ON HIS OWN with his receivers in the offseason. These are thing BROOKS could do himself to improve, but didn't and never has. Haslett did force Brooks to go to leadership classes though. Why would anyone want a QB that has to be TAUGHT leadership? Isn't that supposed to be natural considering you play the most important position on the field? And prob have since elem school? They could build a time machine and import the Dallas Cowboys Superbowl line back here, the fact is, the guy taking the snaps would still be Aaron Brooks, and that alone makes the whole situation a losing one.

02-23-2006, 10:38 AM	#37
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Hey whodi...you sound like AB bumped in to you at the mall one day and insulted your mom or something!! LOL...Seriously though what erks me the most is that Brooks has on quite a few occasions has shown signs of brilliance. (Whodi....hold your animocity for a sec and think back.) We've seen him throw the worst passes in the hands of the worst people many times. We've also seen him avoid getting sacked, run away from some of the fastest linemen and linebackers and throw perfect passes while still running. I honestly feel that Haslett's coaching and the not so great O-Line we have definitely contributed to some of AB's performance. Like most of you, however, there is one thing that gets to me.... how did that footbal keep slipping from his hand?!?!? Many times we've seen QB's thrive with one coach and completely fall apart under another. Who is to say that Payton's approach won't work for AB?!?!? The bad FAR FAR FAR outweighs the good Brooks has done. I have seen him outrun linemen, CAUSE HE DROPPED BACK INTO THE RUSH, or got too much depth on drops, allowing thelinemen to be beat. Ask yourself, when EVER have you seen Brooks simply step up in the pocket and make a throw? If someone breathes on him, he is spinning and backpedlaing. That is about a 0 on pocket awareness. But I am sure he has done it once or twice, it's the fact he doesn't do it CONSISTENTLY that kills the team. Your own statement outlines the problem with Brooks: We've seen him throw the worst passes in the hands of the worst people many times. We've also seen him avoid getting sacked, run away from some of the fastest linemen and linebackers and throw perfect passes while still running. That's the problem, you never know what you are gonna get from Brooks not just from game to game, at any given moment, and NO coach, team, or offense will EVER be successful with a QB like that. NEVER.

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02-23-2006, 09:50 AM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	If there is one thing I do remember its that AB threw better passes when he was protected. So we restructure his contract and draft Brick for added o-line beef. Brooks all of a sudden has a QB Rating of like 130.5 That'sa load. Brooks has NEVER, AT ANY POINT, NOT IN ANY SEASON, completed 60% of his passes. And last year was the first year our receivers led the league in "drops." The FACT is Brooks is inaccurate, has no pocket presence, and only seems to play in the late moments of games, although he seemed to have lost even that this year. He has gotten WORSE every year. That's the only thing consistent about him. I don't care if he agreed to PAY THE SAINTS to play here, his ass needs to go. It doesn't matter how cheap he is, it matters that HE IS NOT A GOOD QB. Period. No amount of money saved if worth that fact. If your house needed a roof, and some guy offered to do it for free but it would leak awfully, and another guy was gonna do it for $4000 but it would last you 30 years, are you going with the free guy simply cause he is free, even though you would get a shoddy roof? I don't think so. It's the same with Brooks, no amount iof pay cut is gonna make him a better QB. NONE. He's not worth a hill of jelly beans. He has to go.

02-23-2006, 10:17 AM	#34
zachsaints52 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 522	In 2003 he 59.1 % .... maybe not 60, but I bet he never had a line like the line that COULD be here next year. Bentley at Center, Holland and jean Gilles (2nd round, but use other 2nd rounder we get for the #2 pick trade use on LB), and Brick and Brown at T's.... Whats not to like there? Even if not Jean Gilles, Mayberry and Jcox could together work on the other Guard spot. I say give him one shot with a great o-line, but if he sucks, kick him out. I think this could work if he just has time.

02-23-2006, 11:20 AM	#38
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming So Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs What if you leave your house today and get run over by a truck? Are you going to stay home forever just because there's a chance a truck will run over you ? Zach asked a legitamate question. Why shy away from the possibility T-R? You know that if Brooks has a good year next year that this board will get rather quiet. If there is one thing I do remember its that AB threw better passes when he was protected. So we restructure his contract and draft Brick for added o-line beef. Brooks all of a sudden has a QB Rating of like 130.5. LOL...Anything is possible T-R....even getting hit by trucks. ;0) ..and I gave him a legitimate answer... a what if question deserves a what if answer... ... yes sure, anything can happen... birds could fly North for the winter, right? After all, they have wings and a sense of direction.. but I doubt they are going to start flying North for the winter any time soon because I know that birds are flying away from the cold weather... comprende?
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02-23-2006, 11:26 AM	#39
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Comin How does the definite logic of birds NOT flying north in the winter relate to the possibility of Brooks doing well under coach Payton?
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02-23-2006, 11:35 AM	#40
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming So Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs What if you leave your house today and get run over by a truck? Are you going to stay home forever just because there's a chance a truck will run over you ? Zach asked a legitamate question. Why shy away from the possibility T-R? You know that if Brooks has a good year next year that this board will get rather quiet. If there is one thing I do remember its that AB threw better passes when he was protected. So we restructure his contract and draft Brick for added o-line beef. Brooks all of a sudden has a QB Rating of like 130.5. LOL...Anything is possible T-R....even getting hit by trucks. ;0) ..and I gave him a legitimate answer... a what if question deserves a what if answer... ... yes sure, anything can happen... birds could fly North for the winter, right? After all, they have wings and a sense of direction.. but I doubt they are going to start flying North for the winter any time soon because I know that birds are flying away from the cold weather... comprende? TR, and I am not saying this to disrespect anyone, but I think you and I both need to realize if after 6 years of seeing Aaron Brooks play, someone doesn't realize he is not the answer, they prob never will, and we are both wasting our breath. Brooks is just about gone, and we will have been arguing for nothing.