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saintswhodi 02-20-2006 09:38 AM
Drew Brees
 
ESPN has reported San D. will not franchise or transition tag him. I'd go after him, and use our draft pick to trade down a couple of spots and get D'Brick or AJ Hawk. QB position would be solved wih a young, pro bowl, proven vet, AND we would get to address another key position with a stud, while gaining another pick. I would LOVE to have Leinart, but Brees would give us a better chance to win now. And like I said, the additional player and picks we would be able to gain in the draft would be priceless. What ya think?

dwiley21 02-20-2006 10:31 AM
RE: Drew Brees
 
Yeah, Did u see that shoulder injury! There are no guarantees that his recovery will go smooth (see chad pennington). If the saints can sign him at a good price then yes take a flyer on him, but don't mortgage the future and give up a Franchise QB in Leinart to sign Brees. Besides just because SD isn't tagging him doesn't mean they don't want him. They will be involved in bidding for his services, they just didn't want to guarantee a ton of money to a guy coming off a SERIOUS INJURY!

TheDeuce 02-20-2006 10:51 AM
RE: Drew Brees
 
I'll still take Leinart. That injury was nasty. I also think Leinart has more potential than Brees

Euphoria 02-20-2006 11:33 AM
RE: Drew Brees
 
When you are a winning ball club you don't get rid of your QB... He'll get resigned by San Degio.

Oh and also Rivers is NOT ready to play so no way are they ready to part ways with Brees.

saintswhodi 02-20-2006 11:49 AM
I'll asnwer you guys' queries with this:

From Peter King:

[quote]Obviously there's some hesitation about signing Brees because of surgery to repair a partially torn labrum. But this is a top-six or -seven quarterback right now, and he's 27. The players and doctors familiar with this surgery think there's no question he'll make a full recovery.[/quote]

From ESPN:

Quote:
The Chargers have all but ruled out the possibility of placing the franchise or transition tag on quarterback Drew Brees, leaving them only two options: signing him to a new contract or letting him hit the free-agent market.




For a month, the Chargers had been considering the transition designation for Brees following his shoulder surgery because it gave them the flexibility of keeping his rights but not offering him a guaranteed contract. But an interpretation from the NFL Management Council late this week scared them out of that concept.

Because Brees had the franchise tag in 2005 and his $8.078 million salary was guaranteed, the league interpreted two things. First, the tender offer for Brees' transition tag would have to be at 120 percent of his 2005 salary instead of the 2006 quarterback transition number of $8.327 million. That means Brees would have to be offered $9.7 million by the Chargers. Second, there can be a case made that because his principle terms of the 2005 franchise tag was guaranteed, Brees' 2006 transition tag could also be considered a guaranteed offer.

The Chargers could ask for a hearing to determine whether that was the case or not, but instead have ruled out giving him the franchise or transition tag.

In the meantime, negotiations between Brees and the Chargers have continued all week. General manager A.J. Smith said he wanted to keep all three of his quarterbacks -- Brees, Philip Rivers and A.J. Feeley. Earlier this week, the Chargers worked out a two-year, $2 million deal for Feeley. Rivers is entering the third year of a six-year contract.

If Brees isn't signed to a new contract by March 3, he will be a free agent
Injury? Covered. Chargers keeping him? Covered. Next. :wink:

CheramieIII 02-20-2006 05:55 PM
Quote:
ESPN has reported San D. will not franchise or transition tag him. I'd go after him, and use our draft pick to trade down a couple of spots and get D'Brick or AJ Hawk. QB position would be solved wih a young, pro bowl, proven vet, AND we would get to address another key position with a stud, while gaining another pick. I would LOVE to have Leinart, but Brees would give us a better chance to win now. And like I said, the additional player and picks we would be able to gain in the draft would be priceless. What ya think?
I could not agree with you more Whodi. Brees, Hawk and some extra picks in the second and third round. Take the best DT on the board at #34, best OT and/or center with remaining second and third round pick, cut AB, sign Peterson and try to resign Bentley. We have to find a way to make it work.

BlackandBlue 02-20-2006 07:55 PM
[quote="saintswhodi"]I'll asnwer you guys' queries with this:

From Peter King:

Quote:
Obviously there's some hesitation about signing Brees because of surgery to repair a partially torn labrum. But this is a top-six or -seven quarterback right now, and he's 27. The players and doctors familiar with this surgery think there's no question he'll make a full recovery.[/quote]

From ESPN:

Quote:
The Chargers have all but ruled out the possibility of placing the franchise or transition tag on quarterback Drew Brees, leaving them only two options: signing him to a new contract or letting him hit the free-agent market.




For a month, the Chargers had been considering the transition designation for Brees following his shoulder surgery because it gave them the flexibility of keeping his rights but not offering him a guaranteed contract. But an interpretation from the NFL Management Council late this week scared them out of that concept.

Because Brees had the franchise tag in 2005 and his $8.078 million salary was guaranteed, the league interpreted two things. First, the tender offer for Brees' transition tag would have to be at 120 percent of his 2005 salary instead of the 2006 quarterback transition number of $8.327 million. That means Brees would have to be offered $9.7 million by the Chargers. Second, there can be a case made that because his principle terms of the 2005 franchise tag was guaranteed, Brees' 2006 transition tag could also be considered a guaranteed offer.

The Chargers could ask for a hearing to determine whether that was the case or not, but instead have ruled out giving him the franchise or transition tag.

In the meantime, negotiations between Brees and the Chargers have continued all week. General manager A.J. Smith said he wanted to keep all three of his quarterbacks -- Brees, Philip Rivers and A.J. Feeley. Earlier this week, the Chargers worked out a two-year, $2 million deal for Feeley. Rivers is entering the third year of a six-year contract.

If Brees isn't signed to a new contract by March 3, he will be a free agent
Injury? Covered. Chargers keeping him? Covered. Next. :wink:
linkage, please?

mjf150 02-21-2006 07:53 AM
I think he needs to go to Dallas. We do not collect "Drew's" (Henson, Bledsoe) here. We collect "Billy Joe's" (Hobert, Tolliver).

Seriously, as good as he has played the last couple of years, I don't see SD letting him walk as easily as they have. Unless, they know something about the injury that we don't.

FatiusJeebs 02-21-2006 12:48 PM
This is awfullt tempting. I have liked Brees since he was at Purdue. That injury was one of the worst that I have seen. I don't know what to think. I think he is awesome but that shoulder lookd horrible.

Euphoria 02-21-2006 01:33 PM
I don't think we should give up what it will cost in picks or money, paying Brees. To costly we trade down and let the draft and FA play out.

xan 02-21-2006 08:52 PM
Screw Brees. Let him rehabilitate on someone else's dime, we don't need consecutive AB situations here. I'm in a bad mood, dammit, so don't mess.

ScottyRo 02-22-2006 06:36 AM
Something like this would be the only reason I would trade down rather than simply drafting Leinart. However, Brees would have to sign a long term contract with only one year's worth of guaranteed money up front.

Overall, I'd probably rather have Leinart and get a FA OT that is as good a T as Bress is a QB. That probably can't happen either, but passing on Leinart must be done with immense pause and reflection.

If Mickey is even partially considering taking Young instead of Leinart, then we should trade down and get Bress if we can.

hagan714 02-22-2006 07:57 AM
If we want to gamble sure go for it. But it better be a salary based on his play and VERY CAP friendly

saintswhodi 02-22-2006 08:49 AM
[quote="BlackandBlue"]
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintswhodi
I'll asnwer you guys' queries with this:

From Peter King:

Quote:
Obviously there's some hesitation about signing Brees because of surgery to repair a partially torn labrum. But this is a top-six or -seven quarterback right now, and he's 27. The players and doctors familiar with this surgery think there's no question he'll make a full recovery.[/quote]

From ESPN:

Quote:
The Chargers have all but ruled out the possibility of placing the franchise or transition tag on quarterback Drew Brees, leaving them only two options: signing him to a new contract or letting him hit the free-agent market.




For a month, the Chargers had been considering the transition designation for Brees following his shoulder surgery because it gave them the flexibility of keeping his rights but not offering him a guaranteed contract. But an interpretation from the NFL Management Council late this week scared them out of that concept.

Because Brees had the franchise tag in 2005 and his $8.078 million salary was guaranteed, the league interpreted two things. First, the tender offer for Brees' transition tag would have to be at 120 percent of his 2005 salary instead of the 2006 quarterback transition number of $8.327 million. That means Brees would have to be offered $9.7 million by the Chargers. Second, there can be a case made that because his principle terms of the 2005 franchise tag was guaranteed, Brees' 2006 transition tag could also be considered a guaranteed offer.

The Chargers could ask for a hearing to determine whether that was the case or not, but instead have ruled out giving him the franchise or transition tag.

In the meantime, negotiations between Brees and the Chargers have continued all week. General manager A.J. Smith said he wanted to keep all three of his quarterbacks -- Brees, Philip Rivers and A.J. Feeley. Earlier this week, the Chargers worked out a two-year, $2 million deal for Feeley. Rivers is entering the third year of a six-year contract.

If Brees isn't signed to a new contract by March 3, he will be a free agent
Injury? Covered. Chargers keeping him? Covered. Next. :wink:
linkage, please?
Sorry BNB, I am late on the links. For some reason I couldn't get into the site yesterday Anyway, the Peter King one if from Monday's Monday Morning QB, and the ESPN one is from, well, I don't remember who wrote it. ESPN.com and go to the NFL page and you'll find it.

fhs623 02-22-2006 09:56 AM
I'm not a big Drew Brees, myself either. I think the saints should look at Josh McCown. He's young and has experience. He is 9-10 as a starter wihtout withour much of an o-line.

SaintFanInATLHELL 02-22-2006 03:12 PM
Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDeuce
I'll still take Leinart. That injury was nasty. I also think Leinart has more potential than Brees
Brees doesn't need to deal in potential anymore. The guy has proved himself as a top tier QB in this league. BTW it took him 3 years to get to that point.

I'd have more confidence in Leinart's potential if he had played on a weaker team that was up against better opposition (especially defensively). As it was USC virtually the best team around playing against inferior competition. Playing QB in the NFL is a galaxy's difference than playing in college.

Leinart is going to go from one of the best teams at the college level to a team that is rebuilding and has struggled recently. How is he going to handle that.

Brees has been there and done that. He has played second fiddle. He has overcome what was essentially a vote of no confidence in the selection of Rivers. He has excelled at the highest level of competition already.

So exactly how can Leinart have more potential?

SFIAH

FanNJ 02-22-2006 03:35 PM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
Breese

Upside: Leader, confident, been through it all

Downside: Pretty bad sholder injury Can he return to form?

mjf150 02-22-2006 04:16 PM
Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
Brees doesn't need to deal in potential anymore.
Brees needs to deal in the potential to come back from a possible career threatening sholder injury. And as I've said in prior post, bringing in a "top free agent" does guarantee success anymore than a top draft pick. Ask the Saints about Kerry Collins. Talk to Buffalo about Drew Bledsoe. Speak to the Giants about Kurt Warner, who by the way had injury issues also. Or ask the Browns how well Garcia worked out. All of those QB had great success with their prior teams, just like Brees. In fact one could argue that all of the three that I named were more successful with their respective teams than Brees was with the Chargers.

BJSim 02-22-2006 04:39 PM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
mjf150, On the other hand there's Bledsoe moving to Dallas, Brad Johnson moving to Tampa Bay and then back to Minnesota, Kerry Collins moing from NO to NYC and MOST IMPORTANTLY: Jake Plummer moving to Denver. You can make the arguement both ways. A QB move involves so many things, coaching, surrounding players, offensive scheming, defensive play, etc...

I think Brees would be a great addition, but there will be teams with more cap room that will snag him up.

mjf150 02-22-2006 04:47 PM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
I agree, some FA QB's can be successful on another team, but don't give me the argument that just because he is a "proven QB", he'll be successful on another team.

BJSim 02-22-2006 04:54 PM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
Payton has shown he can get the most from the talnet he has at QB. And if some reports are true about him wanting to open the offense more but Parcells putting the brakes on, I think a couple of his Dallas QBs could've hit 4000 yards. Could Brees do that with the Saints? Or Kitna? Or Collins? Who knows... But Payton will do what he feels is best for the team to make it a winner. If it means bringing in a FA QB, keeping Brooks, or drafting a rookie, I really think he's got a grasp on the possition of QB and what kind of talent he wants.

But again, I don't think we have chance one of getting Brees on the open market.

spkb25 02-22-2006 05:41 PM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
injury scare me a lot

CheramieIII 02-22-2006 07:09 PM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
We would save 4.5 million in cap space if we cut AB so considered that a done deal. We are already 10 million under the cap and without Howard that's another 7. We could do alot with 21.5 million dollars and even alot more if we don't spend a buttzillin dollars on that one QB in the draft, you guys know who I'm talking about?

BJSim 02-22-2006 07:19 PM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
Cher, since Howard is already an unrestricted free agent he doesn't count towards our cap monies. So that 10 million already counts him as gone. But 14.5 million is a good amount, but not overwhelming.

Miami or Baltimore, they'll get Brees if he doesn't resign with San Diego.

BlackandBlue 02-22-2006 11:33 PM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
you're wrong about Baltimore. they have bigger fish to fry. and billick is smart enough to know this.

FanNJ 02-23-2006 07:48 AM
RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees
 
Quote:
A QB move involves so many things, coaching, surrounding players, offensive scheming, defensive play, etc...
Right on the Money

Euphoria 02-23-2006 10:17 AM
What is funny to me is the people who want Brees... come to San Diego and spend a day in a Sports bar around here and you won't find anyone who is a supporter of Brees. They all want to get rid of him, now they don't hate him they just want to get rid of him but there is also some hesitation because they don't have an answer for the position because they know Rivers hasn't done crap and has not looked good. When all your pistons are hitting is a groove you don't remove one. You take Moss away from Culpepper and he is flat! Brees is not the answer in New Orleans... one our line is horrible, SD is GREAT. RB's Deuce, ok, LT GREAT. NO D, horrible, giving up to many big plays, SD pretty damn good. You see where I am going here... SD has a lot of weapons/tools around Brees for him to win, in NO he won't have diddly. Leinart isn't going to be the answer either he had lots of weapons and we don't. PASS... go get a line damn it, get a D and then we can address getting some players who could help out the base/core of the team.

saintswhodi 02-23-2006 10:54 AM
Quote:
come to San Diego and spend a day in a Sports bar around here and you won't find anyone who is a supporter of Brees.
Not true. I read posts daily from San Diego fans and a lot of them wanna keep Brees. The ONLY hesitation is the shoulder injury. But I have seen more of them wanting to see what they could get for Rivers as opposed to letting Brees leave. Of course, there are guys who are adamantly against Brees as well.

Quote:
SD has a lot of weapons/tools around Brees for him to win, in NO he won't have diddly.
Flat out untrue. Why do you even support this team?

Quote:
Leinart isn't going to be the answer either he had lots of weapons and we don't.
Again untrue, but I knew we'd get to the diss Leinart portion sooner or later.

Quote:
go get a line damn it, get a D and then we can address getting some players who could help out the base/core of the team.
We addressed one of the biggest problems with out line and D already. COACHING. New schemes. Possible improvement already. But you aren't going ANYWHERE without a good QB. Big Ben, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Joe Montana, John Elway, see the TREND and not the anomoly. You don't build you team around a couple of fluke Superbowl wins by teams that were defense oriented. Hell, when we had the dome patrol, we had THE #1 or 2 defense for several years, and couldn't even get a playoff win. Philly, who was right there with us, never did either. Teams that win have BALANCE, and getting a franchise QB provides BALANCE for the offense, You build around that. You don't say let's get some D and then trow anybody in there and we will win. Both Baltimore AND Tampa Bay's defenses had been together for a while before they won it all. So we build for D this year and wait five more for them to gel, hoping noone leaves, and then find a middle of the road QB and hope for the best, or take a franchise QB NOW, and build around him?

FanNJ 02-23-2006 11:39 AM
All I remember with the Dome patrol is at the end of the game came that close situation and that god damn prevent defense being on the field....Oh ya and the offense was quite conservitive, but did limit mistakes.

Anyway just interjecting


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