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saintswhodi 02-27-2006 09:18 AM
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Let's try door No. 3


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com


Adam Schefter's "Around the League" reports and commentaries can be seen regularly on NFL Total Access.

INDIANAPOLIS -- Once, few thought that former University of Miami running back Edgerrin James would be drafted ahead of former University of Texas running back Ricky Williams.

And he was.


Jay Cutler completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for over 3,000 yards in 2005.
Now, few think that Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler will be drafted ahead of USC quarterback Matt Leinart or Texas quarterback Vince Young.

And he could be.

The man who ultimately might make the decision is New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton, holder of the draft's No. 2 overall pick.

Those close to Payton say that, behind closed doors, the Saints coach has conveyed the opinion that Cutler could turn out to be the next Brett Favre. Payton has yet to study extensive game tape of Cutler, but he has seen enough to believe that the quarterback has a real chance to be a bona fide star at the next level.
Because he never even played in a bowl game, Cutler did not receive the offensive line protection that the higher-rated quarterbacks did. Yet he performed admirably, impressing his teammates plenty and NFL scouts even more.

If Payton is as enamored with Cutler as people say, then the debate over whether Leinart or Young will be the first quarterback picked could be moot. Cutler could pull the upset.

This would not surprise NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, who has maintained that Cutler is this draft's top-rated quarterback -- ahead of Leinart, ahead of Young.

And if Payton is, in fact, thinking the same way as Mayock, then this draft's first surprise could come at No. 2.


Should Cutler go No. 2, it would rearrange the projected first-round order. Then, Leinart would fall to No. 3, where he would be reunited with his former offensive coordinator at USC, Norm Chow. And it also would leave Young to go No. 4 to the New York Jets, who need a quarterback. Yet, should the Jets opt for a bigger need with Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, then Young could fall to the Oakland Raiders at No. 7.

Of course, these are purely hypothetical. And there will be countless variations of them between now and draft day.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9269708

Please, please, Sean, don't believe the hype. I have two words for you, Kyle Boller.

Euphoria 02-27-2006 09:22 AM
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He looks great at the Combine, making all the throws and PARTICIPATING.

BlackandBlue 02-27-2006 09:31 AM
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Let's try door No. 3


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com


Adam Schefter's "Around the League" reports and commentaries can be seen regularly on NFL Total Access.

INDIANAPOLIS -- Once, few thought that former University of Miami running back Edgerrin James would be drafted ahead of former University of Texas running back Ricky Williams.

And he was.


Jay Cutler completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for over 3,000 yards in 2005.
Now, few think that Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler will be drafted ahead of USC quarterback Matt Leinart or Texas quarterback Vince Young.

And he could be.

The man who ultimately might make the decision is New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton, holder of the draft's No. 2 overall pick.

Those close to Payton say that, behind closed doors, the Saints coach has conveyed the opinion that Cutler could turn out to be the next Brett Favre. Payton has yet to study extensive game tape of Cutler, but he has seen enough to believe that the quarterback has a real chance to be a bona fide star at the next level.
Because he never even played in a bowl game, Cutler did not receive the offensive line protection that the higher-rated quarterbacks did. Yet he performed admirably, impressing his teammates plenty and NFL scouts even more.

If Payton is as enamored with Cutler as people say, then the debate over whether Leinart or Young will be the first quarterback picked could be moot. Cutler could pull the upset.

This would not surprise NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, who has maintained that Cutler is this draft's top-rated quarterback -- ahead of Leinart, ahead of Young.

And if Payton is, in fact, thinking the same way as Mayock, then this draft's first surprise could come at No. 2.


Should Cutler go No. 2, it would rearrange the projected first-round order. Then, Leinart would fall to No. 3, where he would be reunited with his former offensive coordinator at USC, Norm Chow. And it also would leave Young to go No. 4 to the New York Jets, who need a quarterback. Yet, should the Jets opt for a bigger need with Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, then Young could fall to the Oakland Raiders at No. 7.

Of course, these are purely hypothetical. And there will be countless variations of them between now and draft day.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9269708

Please, please, Sean, don't believe the hype. I have two words for you, Kyle Boller.
LOL- I have it tivo'd, but haven't had a chance to watch. Did Cutler sit on the 40 yard line, and throw passes from the seated position??? That's the one thing I remember from Boller's personal workouts. I was like, "great arm, but what exactly are you trying to prove???" LOL

FanNJ 02-27-2006 09:36 AM
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NO just did 225 s5 times ran a decent 40 time and made every throw with accuracy and touch. And I belive some passes were clocked in the 60 mph range.That's all.

saintswhodi 02-27-2006 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
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Let's try door No. 3


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com


Adam Schefter's "Around the League" reports and commentaries can be seen regularly on NFL Total Access.

INDIANAPOLIS -- Once, few thought that former University of Miami running back Edgerrin James would be drafted ahead of former University of Texas running back Ricky Williams.

And he was.


Jay Cutler completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for over 3,000 yards in 2005.
Now, few think that Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler will be drafted ahead of USC quarterback Matt Leinart or Texas quarterback Vince Young.

And he could be.

The man who ultimately might make the decision is New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton, holder of the draft's No. 2 overall pick.

Those close to Payton say that, behind closed doors, the Saints coach has conveyed the opinion that Cutler could turn out to be the next Brett Favre. Payton has yet to study extensive game tape of Cutler, but he has seen enough to believe that the quarterback has a real chance to be a bona fide star at the next level.
Because he never even played in a bowl game, Cutler did not receive the offensive line protection that the higher-rated quarterbacks did. Yet he performed admirably, impressing his teammates plenty and NFL scouts even more.

If Payton is as enamored with Cutler as people say, then the debate over whether Leinart or Young will be the first quarterback picked could be moot. Cutler could pull the upset.

This would not surprise NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, who has maintained that Cutler is this draft's top-rated quarterback -- ahead of Leinart, ahead of Young.

And if Payton is, in fact, thinking the same way as Mayock, then this draft's first surprise could come at No. 2.


Should Cutler go No. 2, it would rearrange the projected first-round order. Then, Leinart would fall to No. 3, where he would be reunited with his former offensive coordinator at USC, Norm Chow. And it also would leave Young to go No. 4 to the New York Jets, who need a quarterback. Yet, should the Jets opt for a bigger need with Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, then Young could fall to the Oakland Raiders at No. 7.

Of course, these are purely hypothetical. And there will be countless variations of them between now and draft day.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9269708

Please, please, Sean, don't believe the hype. I have two words for you, Kyle Boller.
LOL- I have it tivo'd, but haven't had a chance to watch. Did Cutler sit on the 40 yard line, and throw passes from the seated position??? That's the one thing I remember from Boller's personal workouts. I was like, "great arm, but what exactly are you trying to prove???" LOL
Actually Boller was one knee from the 50 through the goal posts, BUT, yeah. that's what Iw as getting at. Moved him from a second rounder into a first round pick and very much hyped. I don't care what throws Cutler made, don't believe the hype, as far as taking him over Leinart. If you can get him before Vince Young, great. But not before Leinart.

TheDeuce 02-27-2006 09:53 AM
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Yeah I don't care what Cutler is doing in the COMBINE, on the field he couldn't even complete 60% of his passes. No way this guy should be a Saint

BlackandBlue 02-27-2006 10:06 AM
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I don't think there's really a decision to be made, if it came down to Lienart and Cutler. But, if we did not have a choice on Lienart, for whatever reason, I'm not opposed to trading out, and possible securing his services then. Just no Young, please. That's all I ask.

gandhi1007 02-27-2006 10:11 AM
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I don't think there's really a decision to be made, if it came down to Lienart and Cutler. But, if we did not have a choice on Lienart, for whatever reason, I'm not opposed to trading out, and possible securing his services then. Just no Young, please. That's all I ask.

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

FatiusJeebs 02-27-2006 11:01 AM
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I'll feel better with Cutler than anyone if we have to draft a QB.

Euphoria 02-27-2006 02:12 PM
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Starting to like Cutler, I am all for trading out of the second spot. 1. Cutler is participating. 2. He is making the throws and 3. He did a great job with a not so good team, less weapons around him.

spkb25 02-27-2006 02:31 PM
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anyone but young. the guy is going to be a huge bust.

FatiusJeebs 02-27-2006 02:56 PM
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I like Cutler's attitude. he seems to have this "I've got nothing to hide" attitude about him and that is great. His confidence is pouring out. The way I see it....if you can make Vandy look decent...then at least we know that he is great under pressure with a slightly less than adequate o-line and supporting cast. Imagine what he can do if the Saints give him a good o-line?

AllSaints 02-27-2006 03:59 PM
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can you say Leinart ???? yeahhhhh

jergensl 02-27-2006 06:54 PM
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leinart not participating shows his intelligence. anyone in his position would do the same thing. it is not like he is not going to throw in front of scouts and coaches. he will just be doing so at the USC player day.

Tobias-Reiper 02-27-2006 07:13 PM
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leinart not participating shows his intelligence. anyone in his position would do the same thing. it is not like he is not going to throw in front of scouts and coaches. he will just be doing so at the USC player day.
..I'd say it shows the intelligence of his agent more than anything, but anyway this is standard fare...
If you are a consensus 1-5 before the combine, a) you don't want to having real-time comparisons with other players and risk someone outshining you, so what better place to showcase your abilities than your school's pro day where you are guaranteed no one is going to out-shine you and b) you have more time to prepare yourself for your school's pro day after seeing who you are going against ...

TheDeuce 02-27-2006 08:18 PM
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Yeah, just because Leinart's not participating in the combine doesn't mean he's scared, it means he wants to make sure he doesn't lose a few million dollars if he has an off day... give it a rest... Leinart is the better QB hands down... you can't pass 59% your senior season and be the best QB in the nation. The only reason people are even talking about Cutler is because the media needs something else to talk about for the freakin 2 and a half months where there's no football action going on. Leinart has won the Heisman and 1 (or 2) national championships, Young has won a national championship and numerous quarterback awards, and there's a reason for it. I'm still not sold on Young, but you still have to give those two guys the credit of being the best in the college game the last few years. Where has Cutler been the last four years? Sure he had a pretty good season this year, but it still wasn't anything amazing. Just look at hte stats, they don't lie:

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT SACKS RAT
Matt Leinart, USC 283 431 3815 65.7 8.9 28 8 17 157.74
Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt 273 462 3073 59.1 6.7 21 9 23 126.07

FanNJ 02-28-2006 06:57 AM
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Look at the teams played on the talent around them and the conference....Then make an evaluation. When it comes to numbers, makes all the difference in the world.

FatiusJeebs 02-28-2006 08:51 AM
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You can't be serious Deuce. You wanna compare Lienart and his all star squad to Cutler's hapless commodores? Judging by your stats I'd say that Cutler did an awesome job in a crappy ass school. I don't think Lienart would have had that kind of success in Vandy....at all.

saintswhodi 02-28-2006 09:15 AM
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You can't be serious Deuce. You wanna compare Lienart and his all star squad to Cutler's hapless commodores? Judging by your stats I'd say that Cutler did an awesome job in a crappy ass school. I don't think Lienart would have had that kind of success in Vandy....at all.
We'll never know will we? So as it stands, Deuce is right and Leinart is CLEARLY the better choice. We can "well, if so and so went to THIS or that school" all we like. Doesn't change what is fact. I'd prefer a QB who is used to winning, and demanding winning out of everyone around him, as opposed to one who is used to losing on a losing team at a losing school, but has some nice numbers.

FatiusJeebs 02-28-2006 09:23 AM
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Sure...thats like saying that Tom Brady would have had equal success in Houston. Gimmi a break. If anything I'd prefer the QB who is used to do doing everything he can to help his team win than the QB who doesn't have the foggiest idea what a rough day on the job is.

FanNJ 02-28-2006 09:29 AM
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I'd prefer a QB who is used to winning, and demanding winning out of everyone around him, as opposed to one who is used to losing on a losing team at a losing school,
Well he demanded enough to get them a winning record. Against superior defenses on a crappy team. That takes guts and character.
I'ts obvious that what your preference is, actually from what I've been reading over the years you would take anyone other than Brooks.
Leinart is not clearly the better choice for this team or any other, but we will see what the FO and the new talent evaluation has to say in a little better than a Month.

FatiusJeebs 02-28-2006 09:32 AM
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I'll drink to that!!

saintswhodi 02-28-2006 09:36 AM
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I'd prefer a QB who is used to winning, and demanding winning out of everyone around him, as opposed to one who is used to losing on a losing team at a losing school,
Well he demanded enough to get them a winning record. Against superior defenses on a crappy team. That takes guts and character.
I'ts obvious that what your preference is, actually from what I've been reading over the years you would take anyone other than Brooks.
Leinart is not clearly the better choice for this team or any other, but we will see what the FO and the new talent evaluation has to say in a little better than a Month.
Yeah, 6-4 is a great record. What's his overall record again since he became the starter? And it takes guts and character to QB a losing team? Then hell, why did San D ever get rid of Ryan Leaf? He must have had LOADS of guts and character the way he lost. Leinart IS clearly the better choice. Only a Brooks lover, secretly hoping we keep him, would say otherwise. Or a USC hater, which I counted myself among being a LSU homer, but will not allow to cloud my judgment when it comes to the BEST QB PROSPECT IN YEARS.

saintswhodi 02-28-2006 09:37 AM
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Sure...thats like saying that Tom Brady would have had equal success in Houston. Gimmi a break. If anything I'd prefer the QB who is used to do doing everything he can to help his team win than the QB who doesn't have the foggiest idea what a rough day on the job is.
That doesn't even make sense, so it's not like saying that at all. Tom Brady would have had equal success in Houston? What does that have to do with where Leinart and Cutler played COLLEGE BALL? :?

FatiusJeebs 02-28-2006 10:01 AM
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You say we'll never know. Technically you are right but the obvious is the obvious. You say Lienart is uber successful and everything and that Cutler has a losing record therefore Lienart is the better QB. So if Lienart is that awesome then I'm sure he would have made Vanderbilt national champs also right? If thats the case then a guy like Tom Brady should easily take the Texans to the Super Bowl.

gandhi1007 02-28-2006 10:02 AM
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I've heard all the debates about how Leinart had all the talent in the world around him. It takes a leader to lead that talent. Hell, Brooks has had great RB's & WR's in their prime the last 6 years such as Deuce, Ricky Williams, Joe Horn, even Stallworth. That with some pretty good lineman such as Willie Roaf, Kyle Turley, & LeCharles Bentley-and what did he do with all that talent? I think we all know the answer to that question. I like Cutler too, but he is only the 2nd best QB in this draft. Leinart is far above the rest of this draft class at the QB position.

FatiusJeebs 02-28-2006 10:09 AM
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If I'm not mistaken ghandi..when Brooks has all those names and they were healthy....we won a playoff game.

FanNJ 02-28-2006 10:15 AM
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We can go back and forth all day on this, showning guts and charcater I define as the ability to perform to your highest level under extream pressure. Which with the lack of talent around I would say he did an amazing job of. and just having a winning record for the first time in How many Years. (I went to Rutgers so I know all about loosing football programs). Am I a USC hater. Absoluty there should be no sharing of national titles..

Leinarts only pressure was keeping the win streak alive which the team failed to do. I don't highly regard him as he is more of a product of system and talent around him, and I think that will be quikley exposed wherever he plays in the NFL. Would you consider Greise the greatest QB to play the Game because the Dolphins won under him? I would not. Was he a winner because of the team and cast absolutly, and Leinart is no different.

When it comes to Brooks I'll make no secret of it. No matter who is drafted they won't beat him out if he is kept for some reason or another . There are no if ands or buts about it, and I doubt they are just going to release him. Am I calling for his head no. If he is released or traded do I want the highest quality replacement that can come in start and win games. Yes.

I get what Jeebs is saying and I am sure you do too. There is no way to comare unless you stick the two in the same system with same supporting cast like. Palmer and Kittna for example.

Would Tom Brady have had the same 4 years if he was on the Texans with the same Texans team that Carr Played with (honestly I think you can understand that analogy). Of course he would not be as sucessfull as where he is now.

I would love to see a side by side comparison of the top three QB's in the draft. Unfortunatly One sat out of the Senior bowl and two declined to showcase for comparison.

I hope that better explains my sentiments

Euphoria 02-28-2006 10:19 AM
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I think everyone needs to go look and see that Leinart was NOT the best QB in college this year...

saintswhodi 02-28-2006 10:23 AM
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If I'm not mistaken ghandi..when Brooks has all those names and they were healthy....we won a playoff game.
Actually. no. First, BLAKE BLAKE BLAKE BLAKE BLAKE put that team in position to get into the playoffs. AND, in 2003, when Deuce was making the pro bowl, and Joe was making the pro bowl or having his one off season that he didn't, and LeCharles was making the pro bowl, Brooks was leading the league in lost fumbles and we were 8-8. Deuce ran for 100 yards in an NFL record tying NINE STRAIGHT GAMES, but fumbles was handing the ball away like it was buttered. Please get over your obsession with defending that joke.

FatiusJeebs 02-28-2006 10:27 AM
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I am going to start up my FanNJ fan club. LOL. Thanx Fan. I'm not saying we are joined at the hip but its good to see that someone understands what I am talking about.

saintswhodi 02-28-2006 10:28 AM
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Leinarts only pressure was keeping the win streak alive which the team failed to do. I don't highly regard him as he is more of a product of system and talent around him, and I think that will be quikley exposed wherever he plays in the NFL. Would you consider Greise the greatest QB to play the Game because the Dolphins won under him? I would not. Was he a winner because of the team and cast absolutly, and Leinart is no different.
Only pressure wa to keep the streak alive? The streak that HE STARTED? Is this a joke? Has to be. And who cares about Griese? How many superbowls did he win? Your analogies do not fit and make zero sense. Are you talking about the fact the he QB'd the undefeated team? Why would that make him better than an Elway or Montana who won multiple superbowls? Try again.

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When it comes to Brooks I'll make no secret of it. No matter who is drafted they won't beat him out if he is kept for some reason or another . There are no if ands or buts about it, and I doubt they are just going to release him. Am I calling for his head no. If he is released or traded do I want the highest quality replacement that can come in start and win games. Yes.
When it comes to highest quality replacement, that=Leinart. Or, personally, I would not ***** if we got Drew Brees. But a blind squirrel could turn the ball over more than we scored, could lead the leaguein red zone turnovers(2004) or could lead theleague in lost fumbles(2003). OR never EVER complete 60% of his passes in a season.

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Would Tom Brady have had the same 4 years if he was on the Texans with the same Texans team that Carr Played with (honestly I think you can understand that analogy). Of course he would not be as sucessfull as where he is now
What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS?

FatiusJeebs 02-28-2006 10:30 AM
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LOLOL....like I said....IF I'm not mistaken...;0) Quick question though and I ask this cause I really don't remember....How many games did Blake play that season?

gandhi1007 02-28-2006 10:32 AM
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C'mon.

O.K., Cutler had a lack of talent at Vandy. He still didn't win. Tom Brady, during their 1st championship year, had a lack of talent as well. Their starting RB is now our 2nd-3rd stringer. He had receivers like Troy Brown & David Patten (hardly Pro Bowl material) & he won the Super Bowl. Brooks, who had far more talent on offense than Brady consistently killed his team. However, it is pointless to argue with you, because you are obviously hellbent on hating Leinart & defending Brooks. But ponder this: If Leinart was not that good, would the Jets be willing to give up John Abraham (a perrenial Pro-Bowler) & a sh**load of picks to move up to get him?

FanNJ 02-28-2006 10:43 AM
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If Leinart was not that good, would the Jets be willing to give up John Abraham (a perrenial Pro-Bowler) & a sh**load of picks to move up to get him?
Just Rumors I'll believe it when I see it.

FanNJ 02-28-2006 10:48 AM
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What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS?
It's called an analogy...What's not to understand.
OK lets make it easy for ya. Put Cutler of the same USC team and then make a comparison. Give the guy all day to throw to talented recievers and backs, and tight ends, and the numbers will jump off the chart, but we can't do that because he played at F ing Vandy.

USC has 5 Players from offense that are potential first round picks. 5.

This should have been a Wonderlink question:)

BJSim 02-28-2006 10:50 AM
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FatiusJeebs, Blake started the first 11 games and had a record of 7-3.5 (he was injured the last game so I'm only crediting him with half that loss). Brooks finished the last five and had a record of 3-2 regular season and 1-1 playoffs.

FatiusJeebs 02-28-2006 11:02 AM
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Funny.....I really tried to keep Brooks out of this one but you guys are sooo hellbent on Lienart and the anti-Brooks movement that common sense has left the building for you guys. How could you say Brady had no talent? A. Smith was awesome during his younger years. Troy Brown has good hands. The defense was spectacular. Where do you get the idea that Brady had a bad squad? Or at least a squad not able to contend? No one here is saying that Lienart sux. Thuth is, however, the man has had the best of the best and he really doesn't know what pressure is. What we are saying is.. Cutler had crap and he made crap respectable. What could he possibly do if he had better or even the best crap? ;0) I know this arguement can go both ways but remember guys...I live in Miami. I am a big Hurricane fan. And I know for SURE that QB's that kick ass in college and win Heisman Trophies don't account for crap most of the time. Of all the QB's that UM had that were successful between 1980 and 2005 how many can you name that made a dent in the NFL? I can only think of 3. Kelly, Kosar, and Testaverde. What happened to Toretta? Kicked ass in college..Hiesman winner....SQUAT! How about Walsh? We all know that answer. HEY what about Ken Dorsey? So far...no news. So for all of you who feel that Lienart had great collegiate success...knows how to run a winning program and should do well in the NFL becuase of it....please be very very careful.

Euphoria 02-28-2006 11:11 AM
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C'mon.

O.K., Cutler had a lack of talent at Vandy. He still didn't win. Tom Brady, during their 1st championship year, had a lack of talent as well. Their starting RB is now our 2nd-3rd stringer. He had receivers like Troy Brown & David Patten (hardly Pro Bowl material) & he won the Super Bowl. Brooks, who had far more talent on offense than Brady consistently killed his team. However, it is pointless to argue with you, because you are obviously hellbent on hating Leinart & defending Brooks. But ponder this: If Leinart was not that good, would the Jets be willing to give up John Abraham (a perrenial Pro-Bowler) & a sh**load of picks to move up to get him?
Hold the phone... I can't seem to collect any thoughts after reading this... Brooks has more talent around him than Brady??? Did I read this correctly??? You my friend should definately give up being a fan of football, and I am taking your Saints fan ID card, and revoking your manhood.

saintswhodi 02-28-2006 11:15 AM
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What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS?
It's called an analogy...What's not to understand.
OK lets make it easy for ya. Put Cutler of the same USC team and then make a comparison. Give the guy all day to throw to talented recievers and backs, and tight ends, and the numbers will jump off the chart, but we can't do that because he played at F ing Vandy.

USC has 5 Players from offense that are potential first round picks. 5.

This should have been a Wonderlink question:)
Analogies have to fit to make sense. Yours don't. That's what's not to understand. And as I said FIVE POSTS AGO, we can't take Leinart and put him on Vandy, so it's a dumb thing to keep saying. As it is, Leinart grades out as the highest QB in forever, cutler does not. Live with it, and stop making piss poor analogies.


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