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will he be there at 7 whodi? i did here that the titans might let volek go

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kiper makes me laugh. cutler is caught up in the hype machine he says. and young isn't? what. dude i will be happy with whatever we do as long as what we do is not pick vince young

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I don't see why he wouldn't be. The Titans are blowing smoke. If they don't get Leinart, they will take Young. And so what if he isn't? That means AJ Hawk prob fell to seven, or Jimmy williams from Va Tech, I am not gonna be mad at that. But unless we trade the number two pick before the draft, or get jumped before we get to take Leinart, we should not even be worrying about that. There is no doubt in my mind if we are sitting at two, and Leinart is there to be picked, we are taking him. The only changes come if something disrupts that scenario. I am not gonna be mad if we don't get Leinart by events beyond our control, I am gonna be mad if we PASS on him to trade down, or simply don't draft him. But believe me, all this Cutler talk is just hype. EVERY year players jump up cause of the combine. Phillip Rivers last year, Kyle Boller a year or two ago, Ryan Leaf back in the day, and other positions as well, Mike Mamula, Tony Mandarich, the list goes on and on. I guess in the end, we'll see what happens.

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Hey I agree that there is alot of Hype being talked right now about Cutler, but there has been quite a bit of talk about him well before the Senior bowl. I actually joined this post because I got tiered or hearing all the Leinart Vs Young crap flying around. At big name school he would have been a cut above the two, but flew under the radar at Vandy for most accounts. I'd be willing to wager on who goes on to have a better NFL carrer. Hey lets keep it simple first two years as a starter, as long as they go to what can be agreed to as comparable teams.

I think that NO could trade down and take Cutler, problem is if they trade too far down he is gone when our turn comes, we need to trade to the 7 or 8 spot at the most...With the salary cap and free agency shaping up the way it is I think there will be teams jumping to get a good qb back after theirs have gone to free agency as a salry cap casualty

I think he'll be off the board by #4 5 latest

Fatius, I respect that opinion and I guess only time will tell whether or not Cutler has "it." I just honestly think he doesn't. I think the guy is very athletic as can be seen from his respectable 40-time, and his impressive bench press numbers, but there's a lot more to being a quarterback than having a good attitude and athletic skills. A quarterback still has to be able to throw the ball, and that's where I think Cutler falls short of the others. He just isn't a very accurate QB. The biggest knocks on him are that he has poor footwork, makes poor decisions, and is not as accurate as some scouts would like. Sure he's got a big arm, but if he can't actually hit his WRs with his big throws, then what good is he?

Yes, I know Mel Kiper is not God, I just respect his opinion more than any other analyst because I believe he's studied more draft stuff than anybody else. I mean that's his whole job, and he does it for the premiere sports company in the nation. But yes, he is fallible. I'm sure he's made a lot of mistakes with his predictions. However, one thing I can tell you is that Heath Shuler probably wasn't as highly rated as Peyton Manning, but Leinart is. And I'm sure Cutler has "a good attitude" and everything, but what's to say that Leinart's isn't as good or better? Here's a guy who has said in an interview that he would be excited and honored to be the face of this franchise and their rebuilding process. That sounds like the kind of attitude that I want from my QB.

I also believe that a good attitude in the game of football is built through winning. Cutler has never had a winning season, Leinart has only lost two games in college. I believe that this team needs a guy who has a winning attitude, somebody who is used to winning, and that's all that Leinart does.

However, even though I don't think he isn't worthy of a #2 pick, that's not to say I wouldn't like to see him in Black and Gold. I think if we traded out of #2 to somewhere from 5-7, then he might be deserving of the pick. He's a good player, and I think with Payton's guidance he could become a pretty good QB in the NFL. I just don't think there's any way that we can pass up on Leinart. A QB this highly touted only comes out 3-4 years. WHo knows where we're going to be in that time period? We need to draft the future of this franchise in Leinart with the #2, but if Leinart isn't there, then we need to trade down and, in my opinion, we should go defense, and defense only. Our OLine is pretty good, and our D has some more glaring holes than our OLine.

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I'll make that wager. Whatever you want. And don't give me this comparable teams BS, cause both are being picked at the top of the draft, which generally means both will go to sucky teams. So what's you bet? I will bet whatever you want Leinart will have a better pro career than Cutler.

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I'll take it too

Point taken...my only fear (and I think this is a valid point) is that we never really have seen him perform under adversity. I saw a couple of USC games and sure...Leinart looked great.....he also looked relaxed and it seemed to me that he almost always had time to make good throws. Now, even AB made some spectacular throws when he had ample time to do it. You also make another point that scares me. He is used to winning. That's great. This is New Orleans. Winning has always been rather difficult for us. How will he react to....losing? Or at least struggling to win? Cutler has been there and done that. Its like Manning...had he played on a winning squad you know Archie would have retired with rings. Truth is....he had garbage. And he did such a good job with garbage that he won MVP in '77. I just feel that Cutler is of the same mold. The way I see it, with that kind of fierce determination, if you gave Cutler a decent squad...how well could he be? How much more accurate could he be with an effective line? We honestly don't know either way do we? But me personally, I would rather bank on the guy that can find the diamond in the rough than the guy that was fed the silver spoon. (I know you understand the metaphor.)

Either way....this is all about one thing...the Saints! Regardless of what happens...I will still be the only (or at least one of the very few) people in this city (Miami) wearing black and gold in a sea of orange and teal. ;0)

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Comparable was for the first two years as a starter. Lord knows that San Fran and Houstan lack alot less of an offensive line than New Orleans or the Jets Do. Thats why I threw that in. And neither of those two teams are going to fill the holes immediatly.

Now when we talk career, how do we rate them pure stats, wins, or what? I'd rater look to the stats, cause unfortunatly wins are a team effort.

And I'll let you pick the wager and lets keep it reasonable so no tax laws get violated

But name the price.

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You know what? I'm down... count me in. i promise I have not made my last visit to the city of NO. I will come through and honor whatever we wage. Free tickets....how's that?

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Here is a good read on Leinart, Young, and Cutler...Ups and Downs of all three...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ael&id=2344648

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Hey jr..lol This is the article I started the thread with. But its all good..thanx for chiming in. Who do you like in this ordeal?

Ticket to a future Saints game? I like that. I definitely can get down with that. Seems fair since we are all Saints fans. But, they have to be good tickets, not the nose bleed terrace where you get vertigo from looking down the steps. At least Club, Plaza, or Loge level. That's what, $140 max? Again, seems fair to me. We can do it for every two years. So we will be judging both in two year intervals. I think stats is a fair enough judge cause that is an individual goal, as opposed to wins which is more a team goal. And if either wins rookie of the year, I thinkt hey hands down win the first two years. Does that sound fair to all who are betting?

No Doubt...Lower level..your choice.....endzone or closest to 50.

Agreed. on my part. Nothing get the blood flowing like off season wagering.

Only one caviat. They must see playing time in the same season. Can't be riding pine for two years while ones taking his lumps. (Ah hell screw it let em play)

Your on

Okay, we'll do this. For a season to count, either has to play a minimum of 8 games. That allows for squirrely things like injuries. I think half a season is a fair enough barometer to where you could prorate the remainder of the season if they get hurt or something. If they get benched cause they suck, no prorating. Only in the case of an injury. And if the injury is career ending, the guy who's player got hurt has to buy tickets for that interval, and then the bet is over at that point. Hopefully they both get significant playing time next year.

Your on. Whodi

Never perform under adveristy? How about a last minute charge to beat ND in South Bend? How about being down numerous times at half time, several of those times by double digits, yet still coming back to get the win? How about winning a national championship? Don't try to tell me that he has such an easy job and he's never had to face adverstiy. He faced it all the time, the only difference between he and Cutler is that Leinart won his games, Cutler didn't.

And about the winning attitude... so wait a minute, have you ever considered what effect his winning attitude could have on the team. A guy who is used to winning, especially at the quarterback position, can make the rest of the team expect to win. Why would you want to have a guy who is used to losing? THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A guy who expects to win is an asset, not a liability. I don't understand your reasoning AT ALL.

And about your metaphor, no, I don't understand it. Cutler doesn't find a diamond in the rough, he MIGHT be the diamond in the rough. And I doubt Leinart has been fed the silver spoon, he might have been fed from the silver spoon. But even if that's what you meant, that doesn't make sense. You'd rather take a guy because he lost a lot in college, and that's probably what he's going to do in the pros so he'll be able to handle it better? You'd rather have that than a guy who was used to winning in college so he won't know how to handle losing in the NFL? Leinart's a smart guy, I'm sure he knows how to bounce back from losses.

D-E-A-L! Go Saints!!! (and Cutler...hee hee.)

Done deal.

My bet is with FanNJ, yours is with The Deuce. I don't want you coming at me if you don't get a ticket. :-)

Deuce....let me ask you a Q... lets remove Cutler and Leinart from the picture for a sec... Do you think that Vanderbilt's squad and USC's squad can compete? Do you feel that minus the QB's Vandy's squad is just as good as USC's?

Either way whodi....it looks like every two years.....two of us are buying tickets and 4 of us are getting hammered before kickoff!!! ;0)

I just want it to be clear. I don't like loose ends.

No, obviously they're not as good. ANybody who thinks so is just dumb. But it's still football. They're still D-I athletes playing in two of the biggest conferences in the nation. Did anybody think Fresno State had the ability to take USC to the wire? Did anybody think Stanford had the ability to take USC to the wire? No. But it's not all about the team Fatius. I thought you understood this. Eli Manning took a crappy team to a bowl game, in the SEC. He was good enough, accurate enough, efficient enough to hit enough receivers and make the best throws to have a winning season and go to a bowl game. I already made the point that he had one teammate that went to the draft from that team, and he was a second day lineman. It wasn't about his team, it was about him. If Cutler was so good, he would have been able to do more. Do more than complete 34% of his passes against LSU, 53% against Georgia, and 55% against South Carolina. Sure he might have been on a bad team, but his bad team doesn't throw 34%, HE DOES.

Your on dude. I'm good for it . As the year progresses I'll get your info.


Duce did you see that game? LSU is agruably the best defense in College ball from from line to DB's. Keep that in mind.

I know what you are saying Deuce. LOL...at the rate we are going we are gonna end up discussing their childhood's, who was abused the most, and how it has affected their game. The bet is on my friend regardless of who wins.....Go Saints!!

P.S. Are you telling me that Cutler's completion percentage was a result of total lousy throwing or are there other factors?

Sure there are other factors, but there are always QBs who play on bad teams who still have very good completion percentages.

Hey Fatius...I'm down for whoever man...Leinart, Cutler, Bush, young scares me though, when that dude smiles I swear I see AB...LOL...Trade up, Trade Down, Start A-Mac, sign Brees, i jsut wanna see my Saints take the field in September...I'm Livin' for that...I'm gonna be one drunk SOB that day my friend

DID you guys see that joke Vince Young Wonderlic test that as posted in another topic forum...I cracked up so hard I was drinking a coke wehn I clicked the link and shot some out my nose...that crap burns

LOLOL....funny stuff jr.

Deuce? The bet is on my friend. We shall keep track of their successes. If Leinart does better....I owe you a kick ass Saints ticket. If Cutler...vice versa. I should be posting here forever because there is really no one to talk to down here about Saints football so we WILL keep in touch along with Whodi and FanNJ.

Deuce... one more thing...LSU held the Canes to 10 miserable points. I know the Canes has a much better group on offense and 10 points? If Cutler survived or even dented you defense.....the guy deserves a medal. ;0)

The Commodores scored 6 points. No dents made.

Ahhh........memories. This thread brings me all the way back to my childhood. I was about 10 years old walking home from school with my best friend M. Boudreaux. Boudreaux: "You know Bart Starr is the best QB ever." Me: "No way...nobody's better than Johnny U.!" Boudreaux: "You wanna bet, bigmouth!" Me: "Yeah, man, I'll bet you a million bucks!"
Boudreaux: "You're on!!"

Anyway, in regards to the Leinart/Cutler debate, I have these comments. I saw Cutler play once, against Ole Miss last year, and I was very impressed. That, however, was only one game. As for Leinart, my gut feeling says he is going to be a good NFL QB, but only as good as his O-line and receivers let him be. Of course, the same can be said about Cutler.

IMO, it is a very difficult decision. The fact that Cutler got any attention at all being at Vandy is a feather in his cap. People compare that to what Eli did at Ole Miss, but even Ole Miss recruits better than Vandy due to the entry requirements. If either turns out to be a bust, and that is a big IF, I would guess that it would more likely be Leinart. He had so many weapons that defenses did not know who to defend. This, obviously, makes playing QB much easier. I would imagine that in Cutler's case the defense played to take away the pass and make them beat you by running on you, which, they probably could not do. I AM NOT SAYING THAT I THINK LEINART WILL BE A BUST. What I am saying is that if someone held a gun to my head and said, "One of those two is going to be a bust...pick one or I'll shoot", then I would reluctantly pick Leinart. I guess the ballroom dancing probably affects my decision, also...lol.


In parting I will say this. I don't know who is going to be better, and, to go further, don't really much care. The only time I will start caring is if either one of these guys ends up a Saint. Then, of course, I will take a much greater interest. Until then, I have enough going on in my life to keep me occupied, and I am content to simple wait and see where everybody ends up. I have to admit, however, that if we end up trading down and not taking any of the 3, I won't be able to help myself from laughing a litlle when I think back to all the debating that was wasted in this and other forums.

Another good read for Cutler fans. Check out the Super Saints weekly #192. ;0)

Wow...the stories keep coming! ;0)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ndy/index.html

I really hope they pick this guy.