Salary Cap update!

Tobias-Reiper · 03-02-2006, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by FanNJ

I think rookies make too much for darn sure

Two guys locally that I grew up with thier younger brothers were drafted and Played. Stores played special teams for the Jags and Benfatti Played for the jets. Both had short Careers due to injury, and I have to say they made a nice chunck a change in thier early twenties and alot more than most, but if it wasn't managed right they would be left with just nagging pains. The average rookie does make that much by comparison, and the average rookie does not last long in the NFL and usually has to live out the rest of thier life dealing with the work related injury.
.

..well, boohoo.. is called insurance...
..health insurance...disability insurance...

..with the money they make in one year, which is equivalent to 10 times the average salary in the U.S., they sure can afford the 1,500 a month for independent insurance...

..electricians get electrocuted, police get shot, firefighters get burnt... it's called life.. not because you are on TV playing a game it means that you are above life...

FireVenturi · 03-02-2006, 06:09 PM

with no CBA they will be making more. who could be the first for $30 million a year?

BJSim · 03-02-2006, 08:26 PM

It'll take quite a while for anyone to make 30mil a year. If there is a year with no salary cap, there's already a rule in place that you can't get a raise of more than 30% from the prior year. Do the math, you're talking years before anyone is going to get near 30mil a year.

tiggerpolice · 03-02-2006, 08:35 PM

i think we should look at that lb from dallas dat nuygen

jrmllb · 03-02-2006, 08:54 PM

Dat retired man...Injuries mounted up and he bowed out gracefully...Wonder if he had Insurance?

CheramieIII · 03-02-2006, 09:01 PM

yeah, that lesson is how to pull a hockey players' association beat down. I'll bet the salary cap is lowered just to show who's boss. Those players make entirely too much money for what they do (or don't do).

You got that right!

The Saints would be screwed without a salary cap. Unfair advantages for big spending teams like the Cowboys and Giants. We'd be the new KC Royals of football.

You got that right!

Dat retired man...Injuries mounted up and he bowed out gracefully...Wonder if he had Insurance?

You got that right!

Damn, I keep saying the same thing over and over.

HAWK, HAWK, HAWK!!!!!

jrmllb · 03-02-2006, 09:13 PM

CBA deadline has been extended to Monday....I'm just waiting for that one big surprise slary cap cut to drop like a hammer...Its gonna happen...You know its gonna happen...Dan Patrick is gonna see that flash across his screen and forget he is on the air and say "HOLY S**T"

FanNJ · 03-03-2006, 03:19 PM

..with the money they make in one year, which is equivalent to 10 times the average salary in the U.S., they sure can afford the 1,500 a month for independent insurance...

..electricians get electrocuted, police get shot, firefighters get burnt... it's called life.. not because you are on TV playing a game it means that you are above life...

Dude

SH!T happens I know, but there is no one paying to watch and electrician wire a building if you know what I mean. Not to many people would be willing to put up with the regiment day in and day out for a 60K salery. Not anymore. People like us are the ones that keep the owners making the cash so. If you stop watching and spending your dollars then, you can mount your own protest.

Seriously I was pointing out there is a great disparity in the salaries between the top end and the average player strait out of collecge, so in terms of the CBA for the low end (grunts lets call them) this is important.

And I am not knocking the other jobs you mentioned as I too work for a living.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-03-2006, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Good point jrm, these players are playing a game for a living. They aren't having to wait tables or sit in a cubicle all day, they get to play football. And they get payed 1000X what a normal person gets paid. These guys don't deserve any more money. The owners should be the ones deciding. Maybe it's just because I hate unions, but I am playing the NFLPA for this right now.

You could say exactly the same about the owners. They get 10000000X what a normal person gets paid. These guys don't deserve any more money. etc.

Players and owners have a symbiotic relationship. The NFL as a league cannot exist without either. There's a multibillion dollar pot because of both. And the pot keeps getting bigger.

That given, the NFLPA's demands are outrageous. AFAICT they want the owners to throw in all the local money into the league pot (Total Gross Revenues) as opposed to the currently Defined Gross Revenues, which is currently licensing, ticket, and TV money. This is the revenue sharing piece.

Then on top of that, the players want a bigger slice of that bigger pie.

Now one or the other (or maybe a bit of both) may be reasonable. But to ask for both isn't. That's why the owners are balking.

The revenue piece is the big ticket item here. As more and more of the super rich owners leverage revenue outside of the DGR, you'll see more and more of a disparity between the haves and the have nots. In the current system players can go pretty much anywhere and have a shot at both excellent money and at least the possibility of winning. It isn't baseball.

So I figure that Upshaw will ease off of the 60 percent figure if the owners agree to something close to the TGR. Maybe something along the lines of 100 percent of the current DFR along with 75% of the rest of the revenue going into the league pot. Then agree to take 57% of that and call it a day.

This move will hurt big owners and help smaller markets and the players overall.

I would add something else. I'd bet that small, cheap owners would take the extra money and stick it in their pocket. So players should also insist that a certain percentage of the shared revenue go strictly to player salaries and football related operations. In short there should not only be a upper salary cap, but a lower one too. So you won't have teams like the Cards and the Vikes $25 million below the cap.

For this to work, both players and owners are going to have to give up something. The NFL's share and share alike CBA has made it be far the most powerful sports league. The TV contracts add up to something like $3.7 billion (yes with a B) a year. Everyone in the NFL is virtually a lottery winner.

So here's hoping that the knuckleheads on both sides don't screw this up.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-03-2006, 04:25 PM

Here's an old article that looked into the future about the revenue sharing issue:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ue-cover_x.htm

SFIAH

03-02-2006, 05:16 PM	#11
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Salary Cap update! Originally Posted by FanNJ I think rookies make too much for darn sure Two guys locally that I grew up with thier younger brothers were drafted and Played. Stores played special teams for the Jags and Benfatti Played for the jets. Both had short Careers due to injury, and I have to say they made a nice chunck a change in thier early twenties and alot more than most, but if it wasn't managed right they would be left with just nagging pains. The average rookie does make that much by comparison, and the average rookie does not last long in the NFL and usually has to live out the rest of thier life dealing with the work related injury. . ..well, boohoo.. is called insurance... ..health insurance...disability insurance... ..with the money they make in one year, which is equivalent to 10 times the average salary in the U.S., they sure can afford the 1,500 a month for independent insurance... ..electricians get electrocuted, police get shot, firefighters get burnt... it's called life.. not because you are on TV playing a game it means that you are above life...
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03-02-2006, 06:09 PM	#12
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	RE: Re: RE: Salary Cap update! with no CBA they will be making more. who could be the first for $30 million a year?

03-02-2006, 08:26 PM	#13
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	RE: Re: RE: Salary Cap update! It'll take quite a while for anyone to make 30mil a year. If there is a year with no salary cap, there's already a rule in place that you can't get a raise of more than 30% from the prior year. Do the math, you're talking years before anyone is going to get near 30mil a year.

03-02-2006, 08:35 PM	#14
tiggerpolice 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: new orleans Posts: 584	RE: Re: RE: Salary Cap update! i think we should look at that lb from dallas dat nuygen

03-02-2006, 09:01 PM	#16
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	yeah, that lesson is how to pull a hockey players' association beat down. I'll bet the salary cap is lowered just to show who's boss. Those players make entirely too much money for what they do (or don't do). You got that right! The Saints would be screwed without a salary cap. Unfair advantages for big spending teams like the Cowboys and Giants. We'd be the new KC Royals of football. You got that right! Dat retired man...Injuries mounted up and he bowed out gracefully...Wonder if he had Insurance? You got that right! Damn, I keep saying the same thing over and over. HAWK, HAWK, HAWK!!!!!

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FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	..with the money they make in one year, which is equivalent to 10 times the average salary in the U.S., they sure can afford the 1,500 a month for independent insurance... ..electricians get electrocuted, police get shot, firefighters get burnt... it's called life.. not because you are on TV playing a game it means that you are above life... Dude SH!T happens I know, but there is no one paying to watch and electrician wire a building if you know what I mean. Not to many people would be willing to put up with the regiment day in and day out for a 60K salery. Not anymore. People like us are the ones that keep the owners making the cash so. If you stop watching and spending your dollars then, you can mount your own protest. Seriously I was pointing out there is a great disparity in the salaries between the top end and the average player strait out of collecge, so in terms of the CBA for the low end (grunts lets call them) this is important. And I am not knocking the other jobs you mentioned as I too work for a living.
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03-03-2006, 04:10 PM	#19
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: RE: Salary Cap update! Originally Posted by TheDeuce Good point jrm, these players are playing a game for a living. They aren't having to wait tables or sit in a cubicle all day, they get to play football. And they get payed 1000X what a normal person gets paid. These guys don't deserve any more money. The owners should be the ones deciding. Maybe it's just because I hate unions, but I am playing the NFLPA for this right now. You could say exactly the same about the owners. They get 10000000X what a normal person gets paid. These guys don't deserve any more money. etc. Players and owners have a symbiotic relationship. The NFL as a league cannot exist without either. There's a multibillion dollar pot because of both. And the pot keeps getting bigger. That given, the NFLPA's demands are outrageous. AFAICT they want the owners to throw in all the local money into the league pot (Total Gross Revenues) as opposed to the currently Defined Gross Revenues, which is currently licensing, ticket, and TV money. This is the revenue sharing piece. Then on top of that, the players want a bigger slice of that bigger pie. Now one or the other (or maybe a bit of both) may be reasonable. But to ask for both isn't. That's why the owners are balking. The revenue piece is the big ticket item here. As more and more of the super rich owners leverage revenue outside of the DGR, you'll see more and more of a disparity between the haves and the have nots. In the current system players can go pretty much anywhere and have a shot at both excellent money and at least the possibility of winning. It isn't baseball. So I figure that Upshaw will ease off of the 60 percent figure if the owners agree to something close to the TGR. Maybe something along the lines of 100 percent of the current DFR along with 75% of the rest of the revenue going into the league pot. Then agree to take 57% of that and call it a day. This move will hurt big owners and help smaller markets and the players overall. I would add something else. I'd bet that small, cheap owners would take the extra money and stick it in their pocket. So players should also insist that a certain percentage of the shared revenue go strictly to player salaries and football related operations. In short there should not only be a upper salary cap, but a lower one too. So you won't have teams like the Cards and the Vikes $25 million below the cap. For this to work, both players and owners are going to have to give up something. The NFL's share and share alike CBA has made it be far the most powerful sports league. The TV contracts add up to something like $3.7 billion (yes with a B) a year. Everyone in the NFL is virtually a lottery winner. So here's hoping that the knuckleheads on both sides don't screw this up. SFIAH
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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	RE: Re: RE: Salary Cap update! Here's an old article that looked into the future about the revenue sharing issue: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ue-cover_x.htm SFIAH