Drew, Leinart..well... gimme Leinart...
 

... as much as I like the excitement of free agency, right now I am hoping Brees goes to Miami...
... nothing against Brees.. I like Brees... but :

.. as per Drew himself, worst case scenario, he doesn't throw a pass this season.. ok... guess the best scenario is he throws every pass this season... what's the middle-of-the-road scenario? Obviously not all QB's take every single snap during a season... still, Drew is already dinged...

... just about all FA contracts require that the player pass a physical... knowing that Brees is still "in recovery", that physical will likely not include the shoulder, or at least will have some sort of curve to grade it, and, while I'm not a doctor, I think that the best the Saints doctors can do is make an educated guess of where Drew's shoulder is going to be 4-5 months from now...

...signing Brees and passing on Leinart is kinda like choosing a refurbished product over a brand new one... I do have my doubts about Leinart, but not so much doubt that I wouldn't draft him...

.. if Drew Brees had never injured his shoulder, I would've been more than happy with him and AJ, but given the circumstances, I'd prefer to see Leinart there...

... I know some people would think that, because Randy Mueller is pursuing Brees, there must be something to him... but remember that Mueller had his share of not so bright decisions...

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This is what does piss me off. We have been begging for a Pro bowl QB for like 3 years now, and when we have the chance to do that, and have a REAL shot at the playoffs some of you want to throw that away on a QB that hasn't proven himself in the Pros. There have been MANY wrong choices with first round QBs, and there have been many good picks, but how many of those have made a real impact in ONE season. I can think of VERY few, and those guys weren't selected until mid round. Brees is not the future for the Saints he IS the present. That comment he made was said months ago, and now his doctor said just last week he WILL be ready in May. For some of you nothing is good enough.

TR, you have good logic. That being said, I am encouraged with the WIN now attitude coming from Peyton and the FO. We have some clear past examples of first round QB's that BUST not given time to develop.

Plus, there must be a plan to have Amac develop behind Brees if he is signed.

Other than Bouman holding for Carney....well they are both on their way out of NO...IMHO.

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I just don't get this mentality. Why are so many people down on Brees for being injured? Hypothetical question; If Will Smith misses the entire 06 season due to jnjury and you could legally cut him (it's against the CBA to cut someone under this circumstance), would you do it?

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Sure, every team would want a Pro Bowl QB, but would every team want a QB coming off MAJOR surgery on his THROWING SHOULDER???? That's a little risky. Nobody's saying he's not a good QB and people have a right to be wary of this kind of injury. And even though Leinart is a rookie, it doesn't mean we should pass up on him just because he's a rookie. If he turns into the next Peyton Manning, and we don't draft him, I'll be pissed.

Well most of the QBs selected at the beginning of the draft in recent years have gone to just awful teams. The Saints, even though they have a 3-13 record, are not a bad team. With just a few additions at certain positions (including a QB), and perhaps some stability of having REAL home games, this team can be a playoff contender. Selecting Leinart would work because this is not a bad team, and he's a good QB.

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Sweet hypothetical question. First of all, that's a totally different situation. We already have Smith signed, so we don't have to worry about overspending in order to outbid another team. Here's a real good hypothetical question: If Will Smith tore his ACL and MCL, and then became a free agent, and then was demanding more money than 95% of the DEs in the league, would you sign him?

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Here is my deal.........Picking up Brees gives us a solid QB, who I will say ONE LAST TIME has been cleared to practice in MAY!!!!!!!!, then with Witherspoon coming in to talk that would give us a solid LB. This gives us the opportunity to use our picks on other positions that are easier to transition into the NFL. That would also include postions like LB, OT, CB, DE, DT, RB, and with Horn playing his final seasons WR. This team is FAR from a playoff team. Drafting Leinart WILL NOT get us there, but being very productive in FA will get us there.

RE: Drew, Leinart..well... gimme Leinart...
 

Deuce
He is still guaranteed money if he is under contract. Second of all, If my medical staff gives him the o.k., then yes I would sign him...if he has played at that level before getting injured.

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... that's great that he's been cleared to throw in MAY even though right now it is MARCH...

... he has NOT been CLEARED to throw in MAY... it is EXPECTED that he'll be ready to throw in MAY, which means that whether he can ACTUALLY throw in MAY or NOT is not CERTAIN... you don't CLEAR a QB to throw 2 months before his injury is EXPECTED to HEAL... matter of fact, come MAY, the doctors will RE-EVALUATE the shoulder to make sure he is READY to throw, and THEN he will be either cleared or NOT...

..picking up Brees gives us NOTHING until it is proven he can throw effectively again...

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pick up brees and load up on defense in the draft.

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;yeah sign brees, draft Dbrick, Hawk, or trade down to get more picks

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Thank you for posting this, TR. I was getting ready to ask for a link to where Brees has been cleared to throw, since it simply doesn't exist. Brees' doctor is saying good things about his recovery, and I believe him.

I also believe that even if his shoulder is good enough to throw this season, he will not be 100%. Its extremely unlikely that an injury like this is surgically repaired, rehabbed, and back to 100% in so short a time. I had a much less severe shoulder injury that required a surgical fix, so I know a little something about this. I am not a millionaire and have to work at a normal job, so my rehab and recovery are nothing like Brees'. He'll have the best doctors, the best physical therapists, and 24/7 to work on it. Even so, his injury is much more severe than mine was - so I figure its got to be close. My shoulder has NEVER recovered to 100%

Thus, I have my fears and doubts about paying the kind of guaranteed money that Brees is asking for. The offer from the Chargers, which guaranteed him almost 10 million dollars IF HE TOOK 75% OF THE STARTING SNAPS THIS SEASON, is an AWESOME deal but only if he takes the snaps. This leads me to a host of questions:

Brees' wants to stay in SD, or so he says. With that kind of deal, why isn't he staying? If he's so confident in his recovery and his doctor has "cleared" (haha) him to throw in May, why not take the deal? Not many QBs in this league make 10 million a year. What does DREW BREES know that we don't? Why is this deal not a good one?

You know, I see this kind of thing every off season on this board. There are some fans that seem to blind themselves to reality and pretend that every move we make in FA and the draft is the right one. Year in and year out, I read the arguments about why our off-season was so great. Sometimes, I even buy into it, but any other fan that expresses any doubt gets dogged out and labeled not a "true fan", whatever the hell that means.

I personally don't care whether you are one or the other, but I wish the "true fans" would stop the running the "doubters" down just because they have a different opinion than theirs.

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True T-R, true. Just another thing that has been made up.

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I dont pretend to know this is the right move...I just dont think it is an exceedingly bad one...Come on if we are going to sign a FA QB to start who whould it be? McCown, Rosenfels, Kitna...No offense but come on, I wnat to sign a winner if I am going to sign a FA qb to start...Flat out Brees is probably the best one on the market, I say probably because you never know how these things are going to turn out...

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That's a valid point, Jr...my personal opinion, though, I don''t really see Kitna that far away from Brees, truth be told... he was decent on a very bad Bengals team before Carson Palmer took over... some people would say he didn't show anything against the Steelers, but that's just one game, against ba VERY good defense coming in cold from the bench...

... but that is not really the point I am trying to make - the point I'm trying to make is that Brees cannot throw know, and although the prognosis says he should be ready to throw in May, the reality is that no one knows, and he is NOT worth $10,000,000 a year, just because 2 years ago the Chargers were 12-4 and Brees beat out a rookie QB for his job..