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Are you serious...you're doing nothing but posting your opinions. Everyone has one. I posted numbers....FACTS...and you did nothing but made excuses for him just because you met the guy. The fact is that FACTS matter in the NFL not opinions. The fact is that AB isn't as good as Drew Brees according to the numbers, so he had to hit the road. Results matter, not opinions.

Horn had 1340 yards in 2000 and made the pro bowl, which was his second best season by 59 yards. Blake gave him most of those yards as he played the first 11 games. Please you're embarassing yourself.

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Oh with brooks I followed his whole career and even met him on a couple occasions when he played for Virginia, the man has game whether you see or not the reocrd books knw him very well so who cares wut ya'll say he's there immortalized so I'm moving on.

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I'm bored waiting for the LSU game to start....lol. It's fun totally embarassing someone to the point of submission.

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Then where is your FACTS chico? Yuo have none look at the stats of Stallworth and Horn I'm right your left

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You clearly no nothing so I decided to stop arguing two things ain't gonna happen you and anybody else won't stop riding Pees until he sucks and two AB ain't gonna come back to the Saints like I said before I'll lavish in the record books when I become bore and remember wut a Saint QB looks like not a Pees....oh yeah Brooks is the best QB in the Saints history right? He's in the record books and that's all that matters moving on.

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My facts were that Drew Brees' has been a better QB than AB statwise. Go back and look at the numbers....you know I posted them. I also just posted Horn's Pro Bowl numbers in 2000, where you said he was "nothing", although Blake played most of those games. You're saying this and that about Stallworth but don't have anything to back up your claims. All WRs drop passes. Good QBs deal with it.

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Yeah he's also a QB with a career QB rating of 79.7 and completion percentage of 56 percent. Yeap you go lavish in that all day.

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look again at them stats mang......i dont care Pees isn't in record book at Chargers camp is he? nope. Saints' record books has Brooks.....I'm done...your talking to a brick wall that you can't knockdown go around

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You got the brick wall part right. What does the Saints record book have to do with anything??? Jim Everett had a lot of those records before Brooks. I guess we should've never let him go either, right? :roll:

How are you comparing Saints QBs to Chargers QBs???? You are too simple. I'm thinking Drew Brees passing up Dan Fouts would take more than the 5 years it took Brooks to pass up Manning and Everett. Fouts threw for nearly 42,000 yards, and Brooks won't even see half of that.

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Where are the mods when you need them?

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Hey guess what I don't care I'm bored I wanna see SAINT greatness I'll be back....I want to see greatness I'm gonna go look at the record book I'll be back ok?

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Go ahead, look up Brooks' craptacular stats. Worship the suck!

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Now why would I do that? Worship Pees no.

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Brooks has braking records? What did he do, put the brakes on & stop short of the goal line more than any other Saints QB in the red zone?

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lol...your silly but yeah im gonna get dinner at morgan state so i'll c u guys l8tr deuces

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Well that gives some insight why you've come to stir up some crap on this issue.

Who do you root for BTW?
Dude! That occured in the 2000 season! Anchient history. The NFL is a what have you done lately for me league. The Saints under Brooks and Haslett have been mediocre since 2001 and absolutely dismal last year.

It's time to move on. I hope Brooks lands somewhere and does well. I also hope that Brees comes back from his injuries and continues to perform at the same level he has in 2004-2005.

Brooks had his chances in New Orleans. He could have earned the last $14 million of his contract be cutting down turnovers and improving his completion percentage. He also more improtantly could have kept his yap shut like I've called him to do over the last 2 years.

SFIAH

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if brooks was any good as a starter we would have been able to trade him

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That's always debatable. Brooks nearly $14 million due him the next two years was a boat anchor for a trade. Let me substitute a couple of names and then make my argument:

I think we can agree that Owens is good as a starter. However no one wanted to be saddled with the last 5 years of his $47 million contract. Also everyone knew that the Eagles were not going to pay Owens another dime. So instead of trading, teams just decided to wait until the Eagles released him.

The same could be said for Brooks. The Saints weren't going to pay him the last $14 million. Brooks is only a $2 million cap hit for the next two years. His contract was upside down. So the only options were renegotiate or release.

Now teams can bring in Brooks on their terms. They can do a small signing bonus plus an option bonus like we did with Brees. Get Brooks in cheap. If he works out then great. If not then cut him lose again with a small cap hit.

I'm not crying for Brooks. He pocketed $22 million of his $36 million contract. He had his chances to secure the other $14 million. He's going to get probably another $2-$3 million when he signs with his next team and possibly an option bonus that's bigger next year.

Make no mistake that cutting Brooks loose was a money decision. As much as most of you despise the guy, if his cap hit was only $1.5 million or so next year, the Saints would not have released him.

SFIAH

Sheesh, I dunno why any of you gave this guy the time of day. I saw he signed up today, and after the first page could see all he wanted to do was stir up doodoo. Obviously he ain't a fan of the Saints team. Definitely deserves a little attention form the mods. Am ignore button need fo sho.

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I have to agree with SFIAH on this one. The fact that we couldn't trade Brooks really isn't much of a sign regarding his ability (or ability to start elsewhere). I too wish him all the best, so long as he isn't playing us (in which case I permit him to beat us with his eyes... a lot). That said, what is a sign of his ability was that inept/incompetent year he put up for us last year; every year before that, he was on the improve, then he went to shiznit.

I'd like to respectfully disagree. Brooks had no real progress. The 2003 season seems to be somewhat of a fluke. If anything it seems as if he improved up to the '03 season, then declined afterwards.

um the fact that according to loomis they didn't get any calls on him being traded is in my opinion an absolute example of what the league thinks of him and then if you couple that with the fact that noone has signed him yet does matter. if he was such a commodity whyb hasn't anyone looked to him as a starter. i don't think t.o. is arguable at this time because the nfl knew he was going to be released. i would say the same about arron but i wouldn't say it was known at first. either way i don't see him being discussed in the same way as brees or even pepper. that is my opinion but that doesn't mean i think you are wrong saints or kool because truthfully you can't say that that is an absolute judgment of talent. it depends on other factors. so i guess really i agree with you guys but not in the brooks case

Brooks is gone and someone needs to let it go. I don't care who he plays for if he played like he did the last few years for us I would love to play against him every Sunday. He can throw backwards ya know. What skills.

GoldRush, I suppose I'll agree to a certain extent. It is arguable that there were areas of improvement post 2003, but not leaps and bounds. However, I'm not all that interested in defending the claim; it seems we agree in principal his on field play is sufficient to display why we don't want to keep him any longer.

spk, gotcha. In general, trade offers and related measures of ability rely heavily on factors other that a players ability (as you note). As a point of note, Edge and Alexander barely got a snif in FA last year, and those are clearly quality players. Take into account Brooks salary, and it isn't hard to see why no one would make an offer. I guess, I just don't see a need to make an exception for Brooks - the no trade offers are a dubious measure of his inability, especially compared to his inability on the field last year.

that is a good point kool real good point

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Thanks man I needed a good Laugh

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Goldrush, you brought up some really good facts, stats that I enjoyed reading, but fatz still doesn't understand any of it, he's hopeless and a joker, I can't believe I went back and forth with him earlier today, makes me think I have nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon.
He's noway a Saints fan, he's a guy who loves to push other people's button, that's all this guy is about, period.
Again, good stuff today Goldrush, hell, you tried your best.
Wasn't he banned ?

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ltf the guy has been banned over and over and he just keeps coming back. i don't even get it

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How about using his IP address to ban him for good?

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Haha thanks LTF. It's just simple facts. I don't really have an opinion of Drew Brees as a person but Pro Bowl numbers are Pro Bowl numbers. I'm most of all encouraged by his 62% career completion percentage. That equates into longer drives, more first downs, and a less tired D. I don't see how anyone can dispute that objectively.

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i am hoping that what brees did the last two years will continue with us. he seems like a tough player. nothing great just competitive. i love those types

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What gets me excited is that Brees will have more weapons in Horn, Stallworth and Henderson who will only get better, question is, can we protect him from the backside with where we stand with our OL, I say no as of right now but hoping our OL will be tweaked when the new season starts

I'm with you on that. No bones about it....

Protection?
Can Brees alone reduce the number of dropped passes?
Time will tell.
AB torches us? With the DB's we got? upgrade is needed yes but first lets stop the run.