on kffl this morning, the jets
 

are reportedly looking for ammo by trading abraham to move up to the #2 spot and get ml.
now, who has that 2 spot again? smitty

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would he really sign with us. i mean i know it is a trade but he ahs to agree to a contract right

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I think he is saying that they would trade both #1s.

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got ya got ya ok makes sense. that would be hot

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Trading Abraham for a 1st round pick and then giving us 2 first rounders would be nice. Abraham is definately not coming here, he's franchised so theres no way he would stick around for more than the 1 year and we already have good DE's... Between kffl and the article in the thread "Why Brees over Matt" a lot of people think the Jets are loading up to trade up with us. Abraham will leave the jets, one way or another, so they're going to need a DE, their OL has a lot of holes, Curtis Martin has maybe 1 year left before he retires, I just don't see them trading with us. However, if they get a 1 for Abraham and give us that 1 and their #4 pick I'm all for it.

Apologies to Cheramie who already posted this, I'm just adding it to this thread for convenience.

And a few blurbs about trading partners.

I'll give the Jets a little credit for not wanting to give such a large part of their draft for Leinart.

Looking at the chart, if the Seahawks did the deal, we'd be looking at a value of 2400 for picks #4 and #31, so the Jets would need to throw in a 3rd rounder to make up the difference if they want to go get Leinart. I'm OK with this option.

If the Falcons do the deal, we're facing a value of 2850 for picks #4 and #15, so we'd need to throw in something else to balance the deal maybe? Either way, I'd rather pick at 15 than 31. At 15, it's not crazy to think we could come away with Bunkley (DT, Fla.) or Greenway (LB, Iowa).

I'd definately take picks #4 and #15. We could take Brick at 4, then at 15 take a LB like Greenway, then at 34 pick up Mangold at C. Or we could go Hawk at 4, then Winston Justice or Marcus McNeil at 15 and then Mangold at 34. We could also use the 15th pick on Bunkley as Brooks said in either scenario. That would make for a real nice start to the draft

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There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year!

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Ordinarily, I'm opposed to lots of 1st rounders from a cost perspective. It just kills the cap to have so many guys.

However, this year we have SO many holes on this team and Payton seems to want to win now. I'd be in favor of trying to get one (or even both) of Denver's 1st rounders. I'm pleasantly surprised with the moves the front office has made. Cutting Gandy should provide a significant cap savings and the Brooks cut helps us against the cap too.

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Now THIS I would be in favor of. I'm pretty sure they think we'll suck next year so they would pull the trigger on it. I just wouldn't want to give up our current draft pick to get them. I don't see where four picks would come from though. I just count three...two from the Broncos and one of our own. Trading with the Jets wouldn't net us another 1st....just swapping with theirs and most likely a second, unless they get that Abraham deal done with the Falcons.

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Well, if Seattle trades for Abraham and we pull off the trades with both teams, we would have three picks in the bottom 11 of the first round. The players drafted with those picks won't really make that much money.

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Agreed, we could really be in a great position with guys who slip. I have a hypothetical for you. What if Cutler falls all the way to #29 or #31? Do you even consider it?

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If we had 4 picks in the first round (or even 3) and Cutler was there at 29 or 31 I would definately take him as an insurance policy for Brees incase his shoulder isn't fully healed. Also, at 29 or 31 he would come relatively cheap.

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No, if we were to draft a rookie quarterback I would much rather wait until the later rounds at this point. Just draft Drew Olson in the fourth round

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I will say, the talk about trading our first rounder next year for denvers 2 first rounders sounds good but I don't think it's true. I'm with Wheelman, how do they know the team is going to finish poorly? The rumor doen't make sense to me and I'm going to say it probably isn't true.

IMO the jets want the first rounder for their own use. Falcons #15 for the 4 to 2 move would put us owing them 250pts, a third rounder which we don't have. Like it or not teams use these values pretty strictly. More likely, the Jets have two first rounders and can let go of their #2 more easily then. The 4 to 2 move equates to giving us the second and third round pick or even more probable, IMO, this and next years second rounder.

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I do not think Atlanta will part with a 1 for john. There second sounds better. They would have to move cap money around with their recent signings. Unless they ship a player or two as part of the deal. From what I have read the jets are realistic and think John will bring a second. so that would be swapping 1's and given up 2 seconds and a low pick next year.
Now the Sea hawks straight up at 31 for john hmm, but they would really have to want him. They need TE and WR help so #2 (63) and #4 next year makes more sense. then ship it to us.
So we are back to the same deal swap #1, 2-#2 and a late pick next year. that would give us 1 #1, 3-#2, and 1 in #4. Plus the leftovers for next year. Done deal.
I am wondering if Matt Schaub and a third would land John in Atl. Then the jets package them and #4 and #36 to us for #2. That would be a nice safety net if Brees get hammered. I think Atl. will hang on to him though.

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I looked at the Nfl draft value chart and the Broncos 22nd pick is worth 780 points and their 29th pick is worth 640 points. That's 1420 total points. The 7th pick is worth 1500 points, the 8th is worth 1400 points. So if we think we'll do better than bottom 7 in the league (which I think we will, our schedule is rated the toughest in the nfl based on last year's standings, but I think we can do it) then we would be getting good value for it.

am little trouble following the math but i have one strong feeling-

the falcons do not wanna let go of schaub.

i am in the camp that believes the aura of vick may start to dim significantly. he is a freak and something to behold. i still haven't seen him as a solid winning nfl quarteback though. to me, a glorified cordell stewart.

he is so marquee that atlanta cannot let him go. but after some more injuries and inconsistencies occur mora might have a plan. rape someone herchel walker style for ron mexico and have your man in place ready to assume the leading role.

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I don't think the Jets would do Abraham straight up for mid-second rounder. I think Atlanta would have to give up someone like Duckett as well (The Jets need help in the RB position with Martin gettin up there in age). I think then we could maybe get the jets 1st (#4), 2nd(#36), and 3rd (#68 ) round picks. They would get Leinart and still have a 2nd round pick from Atl. Those 3 picks equal 2590 points and our 2nd pick is worth 2600. Pretty equal value. This would still get us Brick (or Hawk), Mangold, and a solid LB (or OL help if we went with Hawk)

The draft values do not include the hype value at number 2. That usually gets you additional pick later in the draft this year or next.

Well Hagan, then we can get another pick later on in the draft, even better! I would like 3 picks that high though, we could address LB, OT, and C with our first 3 picks and have 3 guys who could come in and start.

Agreed.

http://www.houmatoday.com/apps/pbcs....603190329/1032

If the Jets, the Titans or anyone else wants to come up and get Leinart, Williams or whomever, we should be able to make them pay through the nose, regardless of the literal chart values.