on kffl this morning, the jets

ssmitty · 03-19-2006, 10:57 AM

are reportedly looking for ammo by trading abraham to move up to the #2 spot and get ml.
now, who has that 2 spot again? smitty

spkb25 · 03-19-2006, 11:46 AM

would he really sign with us. i mean i know it is a trade but he ahs to agree to a contract right

wheelman · 03-19-2006, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

would he really sign with us. i mean i know it is a trade but he ahs to agree to a contract right

I think he is saying that they would trade both #1s.

spkb25 · 03-19-2006, 12:20 PM

got ya got ya ok makes sense. that would be hot

LivnaLieTimay · 03-19-2006, 12:33 PM

Trading Abraham for a 1st round pick and then giving us 2 first rounders would be nice. Abraham is definately not coming here, he's franchised so theres no way he would stick around for more than the 1 year and we already have good DE's... Between kffl and the article in the thread "Why Brees over Matt" a lot of people think the Jets are loading up to trade up with us. Abraham will leave the jets, one way or another, so they're going to need a DE, their OL has a lot of holes, Curtis Martin has maybe 1 year left before he retires, I just don't see them trading with us. However, if they get a 1 for Abraham and give us that 1 and their #4 pick I'm all for it.

BrooksMustGo · 03-19-2006, 01:00 PM

Apologies to Cheramie who already posted this, I'm just adding it to this thread for convenience.

Jets | Team looking for ammunition to trade up
Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:26:42 -0800

Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the New York Jets are reportedly looking for ammunition, by trading DE John Abraham, to move up to the No. 2 slot in the April NFL Draft. They team wants to draft USC QB Matt Leinart.

And a few blurbs about trading partners.

Seahawks | Team reportedly makes an offer to Abraham
Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:23:09 -0800

Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the Seattle Seahawks dealt themselves into the game to acquire New York Jets franchise free agent DE John Abraham by offering their 31st overall pick for Abraham. However, while it is believed they have made a contract proposal to agents Tony Agnone and Rich Rosa, Abraham's choice is the Atlanta Falcons.

Falcons | Still negotiating with the Jets about Abraham
Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:22:42 -0800

Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the New York Jets are still trying to work out a trade with the Atlanta Falcons involving Jets' franchise free agent DE John Abraham. The Jets want Atlanta's first-round pick, 15th overall, to let Abraham join the Falcons. The Falcons initially offered their second-rounder (No. 47). In an attempt to break the impasse, a source said, Atlanta general manager Rich McKay offered to include a player with the second-rounder. The identity of the player isn't known, but the Falcons have discussed trading RB T.J. Duckett. But the Jets, according to the NFL source, said no to the two-plus-a-player.

I'll give the Jets a little credit for not wanting to give such a large part of their draft for Leinart.

Looking at the chart, if the Seahawks did the deal, we'd be looking at a value of 2400 for picks #4 and #31, so the Jets would need to throw in a 3rd rounder to make up the difference if they want to go get Leinart. I'm OK with this option.

If the Falcons do the deal, we're facing a value of 2850 for picks #4 and #15, so we'd need to throw in something else to balance the deal maybe? Either way, I'd rather pick at 15 than 31. At 15, it's not crazy to think we could come away with Bunkley (DT, Fla.) or Greenway (LB, Iowa).

LivnaLieTimay · 03-19-2006, 01:10 PM

I'd definately take picks #4 and #15. We could take Brick at 4, then at 15 take a LB like Greenway, then at 34 pick up Mangold at C. Or we could go Hawk at 4, then Winston Justice or Marcus McNeil at 15 and then Mangold at 34. We could also use the 15th pick on Bunkley as Brooks said in either scenario. That would make for a real nice start to the draft

wheelman · 03-19-2006, 01:15 PM

There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year!

BrooksMustGo · 03-19-2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year!

Ordinarily, I'm opposed to lots of 1st rounders from a cost perspective. It just kills the cap to have so many guys.

However, this year we have SO many holes on this team and Payton seems to want to win now. I'd be in favor of trying to get one (or even both) of Denver's 1st rounders. I'm pleasantly surprised with the moves the front office has made. Cutting Gandy should provide a significant cap savings and the Brooks cut helps us against the cap too.

GoldRush26 · 03-19-2006, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year!

Now THIS I would be in favor of. I'm pretty sure they think we'll suck next year so they would pull the trigger on it. I just wouldn't want to give up our current draft pick to get them. I don't see where four picks would come from though. I just count three...two from the Broncos and one of our own. Trading with the Jets wouldn't net us another 1st....just swapping with theirs and most likely a second, unless they get that Abraham deal done with the Falcons.

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03-19-2006, 11:49 AM	#3
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets Originally Posted by spkb25 would he really sign with us. i mean i know it is a trade but he ahs to agree to a contract right I think he is saying that they would trade both #1s.
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03-19-2006, 12:33 PM	#5
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,498	RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets Trading Abraham for a 1st round pick and then giving us 2 first rounders would be nice. Abraham is definately not coming here, he's franchised so theres no way he would stick around for more than the 1 year and we already have good DE's... Between kffl and the article in the thread "Why Brees over Matt" a lot of people think the Jets are loading up to trade up with us. Abraham will leave the jets, one way or another, so they're going to need a DE, their OL has a lot of holes, Curtis Martin has maybe 1 year left before he retires, I just don't see them trading with us. However, if they get a 1 for Abraham and give us that 1 and their #4 pick I'm all for it.

03-19-2006, 01:00 PM	#6
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Apologies to Cheramie who already posted this, I'm just adding it to this thread for convenience. Jets \| Team looking for ammunition to trade up Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:26:42 -0800 Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the New York Jets are reportedly looking for ammunition, by trading DE John Abraham, to move up to the No. 2 slot in the April NFL Draft. They team wants to draft USC QB Matt Leinart. And a few blurbs about trading partners. Seahawks \| Team reportedly makes an offer to Abraham Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:23:09 -0800 Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the Seattle Seahawks dealt themselves into the game to acquire New York Jets franchise free agent DE John Abraham by offering their 31st overall pick for Abraham. However, while it is believed they have made a contract proposal to agents Tony Agnone and Rich Rosa, Abraham's choice is the Atlanta Falcons. Falcons \| Still negotiating with the Jets about Abraham Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:22:42 -0800 Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the New York Jets are still trying to work out a trade with the Atlanta Falcons involving Jets' franchise free agent DE John Abraham. The Jets want Atlanta's first-round pick, 15th overall, to let Abraham join the Falcons. The Falcons initially offered their second-rounder (No. 47). In an attempt to break the impasse, a source said, Atlanta general manager Rich McKay offered to include a player with the second-rounder. The identity of the player isn't known, but the Falcons have discussed trading RB T.J. Duckett. But the Jets, according to the NFL source, said no to the two-plus-a-player. I'll give the Jets a little credit for not wanting to give such a large part of their draft for Leinart. Looking at the chart, if the Seahawks did the deal, we'd be looking at a value of 2400 for picks #4 and #31, so the Jets would need to throw in a 3rd rounder to make up the difference if they want to go get Leinart. I'm OK with this option. If the Falcons do the deal, we're facing a value of 2850 for picks #4 and #15, so we'd need to throw in something else to balance the deal maybe? Either way, I'd rather pick at 15 than 31. At 15, it's not crazy to think we could come away with Bunkley (DT, Fla.) or Greenway (LB, Iowa).
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wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year!
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LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,498	I'd definately take picks #4 and #15. We could take Brick at 4, then at 15 take a LB like Greenway, then at 34 pick up Mangold at C. Or we could go Hawk at 4, then Winston Justice or Marcus McNeil at 15 and then Mangold at 34. We could also use the 15th pick on Bunkley as Brooks said in either scenario. That would make for a real nice start to the draft

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BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets Originally Posted by wheelman There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year! Ordinarily, I'm opposed to lots of 1st rounders from a cost perspective. It just kills the cap to have so many guys. However, this year we have SO many holes on this team and Payton seems to want to win now. I'd be in favor of trying to get one (or even both) of Denver's 1st rounders. I'm pleasantly surprised with the moves the front office has made. Cutting Gandy should provide a significant cap savings and the Brooks cut helps us against the cap too.

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GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets Originally Posted by wheelman There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year! Now THIS I would be in favor of. I'm pretty sure they think we'll suck next year so they would pull the trigger on it. I just wouldn't want to give up our current draft pick to get them. I don't see where four picks would come from though. I just count three...two from the Broncos and one of our own. Trading with the Jets wouldn't net us another 1st....just swapping with theirs and most likely a second, unless they get that Abraham deal done with the Falcons.
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