Offseason Pessimism

foreverfan · 03-21-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

LOL....how you found that bowling ball in reference to my comment is brilliant FFan. Seriously though....I think coaching is very important. He may be first time but that does not rule out the possibility of his effectiveness.

No genious... just Google Images. Hey I'm all for the Xfactor.

FatiusJeebs · 03-21-2006, 01:55 PM

The x-factor influences all.

TheDeuce · 03-21-2006, 02:17 PM

I guess moving in any direction is a good direction from 3-13, but no one has given any response to what exactly our plan is for filling the C, backup C, LT, MLB, OLB, CB, DT, K, KR & 2QB, 2TE holes that are glaring us in the face.

Center- still some good FA centers available. I'm sure we'll pick one of them up, and I believe that we are going to address the position in the draft.
LT- I think we're going to draft Brick. That should solve that problem for the next decade or so...
MLB- If we trade down and can still take Brick, I think we'll take Mangold and D'Qwell Jackson in the early second. However, even if we can't get Jackson or Abdul Hodge, I think that McKinnon played very well for us, and although he's not a long-term answer, I think he has enough talent to start. Not ideally obviously, but at least a stop-gap while we fill other holes in the roster.
OLB- Again, we've already picked up Fujita and Anthony Simmons. What do you not get about this? Fujita will come in right away and should be our SAM LB. Simmons, if he is healthy, has been one of the best LBs in the league; being able to rack up over 100 tackles per year. I think we might address the OLB situation in the second round if we don't get Mangold or we don't take a MLB.
CB- This is one position that I'm not really sure what's going to happen, but all we need is one guy. I wouldn't be surprised to see us get a CB via FA sometime between now and the draft.
DT- either via draft or via FA, we need to address this position. I'm not sure who we'll target, but this is one position that I AM worried about.
K- if Carney isn't gong, then he's our kicker. I know he sucks, but there might not be any better options available.
KR- Devery or Stallworth can handle this, along with Stecker (who had a return for a TD in 2004)
2QB- We're probably not dealing with this yet because we don't want to show our hand. There are A LOT of guys who are backup material available right now, and trust me, they''ll be there after the draft. This is not something to worry about at all.
2TE- we still have Lamont Hall don't we? If not, it's not really that big of an issue and I'm sure we can figure something out.

Overall, just like it's been said before, they're is still a lot of time to go. We're still a month away from the draft. I think that we will be able to fill the OC, OT, and LB holes through the draft. I am kinda worried about the DT and CB position, but I'm sure something will be figured out. Everything that this new regime has done so far has been positive. Just give them a little slack, they're doing a good job

stockman311 · 03-21-2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Originally Posted by stockman311

I just want someone to take off the rose colored glasses of the Bree's signing and see we aren't noticably better as a football team from last year. I have seen the future of the Saints.

"All that is past is prologue" this has never been more true than for the Saints.

hope is a *****

there might be some truth to your last statement, but you sound like a guy I would not want to sit and watch a game with. why be a Saints' fan?

Now you sound like my wife. I couldn't agree with you more. I am a horrible person to watch a Saints game with. The explitives fly, I cuss out the refs, the coaching staff, the players for dumb mistakes, I throw things at the wall and contemplate jumping out of my second story window (especially when we play Vick). This lasts until all playoff hopes are dashed then I morph into a species of indifference. I guess to answer your question, Why be a Saints fan? The only answer I can come up with is that a sheep can't be anything but a sheep, a dog can't be anything but a dog, a Cubs fan can't be anything but a Cubs fan, and a Saints fan can't just become a Patriots or Colts fan when times are tough. That doesn't mean I can't complain about the amount of holes this team has to fill.

BlackandBlue · 03-21-2006, 03:12 PM

true, you have a right to complain, but why are you adament about someone presenting you with a quick-fix solution for all positions? ride the tide, wait and see.

NFLDiva · 03-21-2006, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

I couldn't agree with you more. I am a horrible person to watch a Saints game with. The explitives fly, I cuss out the refs, the coaching staff, the players for dumb mistakes, I throw things at the wall and contemplate jumping out of my second story window (especially when we play Vick). This lasts until all playoff hopes are dashed then I morph into a species of indifference.

These all sound to me like normal Saint Fan symptoms

I personally have done each and every one of those things

BlackandBlue · 03-21-2006, 03:19 PM

i've never known you to be indifferent

NFLDiva · 03-21-2006, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

i've never known you to be indifferent

Sure you have....But you made me promise I would never tell anyone about what I saw :P

BrooksMustGo · 03-21-2006, 03:24 PM

I agree, we do have many needs facing us to seriously consider a wild card spot, much less winning the division or making a deep run in the playoffs.

But, at present, I want to give Payton the benefit of the doubt and see what he can do. I'm pleased that we aren't forced to take Leinart at #2 now, but have some choices.

I just try to keep all things Saints in perspective. The offseason could be worse. This year we're made of iron anyone?

BlackandBlue · 03-21-2006, 03:25 PM

i seem to remember you drooling.....

OHHHHHHH, you're talking about the time I introduced you to WhoDat.....I don't blame you

03-21-2006, 01:46 PM	#21
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs LOL....how you found that bowling ball in reference to my comment is brilliant FFan. Seriously though....I think coaching is very important. He may be first time but that does not rule out the possibility of his effectiveness. No genious... just Google Images. Hey I'm all for the Xfactor.

03-21-2006, 01:55 PM	#22
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	The x-factor influences all.
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03-21-2006, 02:17 PM	#23
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	I guess moving in any direction is a good direction from 3-13, but no one has given any response to what exactly our plan is for filling the C, backup C, LT, MLB, OLB, CB, DT, K, KR & 2QB, 2TE holes that are glaring us in the face. Center- still some good FA centers available. I'm sure we'll pick one of them up, and I believe that we are going to address the position in the draft. LT- I think we're going to draft Brick. That should solve that problem for the next decade or so... MLB- If we trade down and can still take Brick, I think we'll take Mangold and D'Qwell Jackson in the early second. However, even if we can't get Jackson or Abdul Hodge, I think that McKinnon played very well for us, and although he's not a long-term answer, I think he has enough talent to start. Not ideally obviously, but at least a stop-gap while we fill other holes in the roster. OLB- Again, we've already picked up Fujita and Anthony Simmons. What do you not get about this? Fujita will come in right away and should be our SAM LB. Simmons, if he is healthy, has been one of the best LBs in the league; being able to rack up over 100 tackles per year. I think we might address the OLB situation in the second round if we don't get Mangold or we don't take a MLB. CB- This is one position that I'm not really sure what's going to happen, but all we need is one guy. I wouldn't be surprised to see us get a CB via FA sometime between now and the draft. DT- either via draft or via FA, we need to address this position. I'm not sure who we'll target, but this is one position that I AM worried about. K- if Carney isn't gong, then he's our kicker. I know he sucks, but there might not be any better options available. KR- Devery or Stallworth can handle this, along with Stecker (who had a return for a TD in 2004) 2QB- We're probably not dealing with this yet because we don't want to show our hand. There are A LOT of guys who are backup material available right now, and trust me, they''ll be there after the draft. This is not something to worry about at all. 2TE- we still have Lamont Hall don't we? If not, it's not really that big of an issue and I'm sure we can figure something out. Overall, just like it's been said before, they're is still a lot of time to go. We're still a month away from the draft. I think that we will be able to fill the OC, OT, and LB holes through the draft. I am kinda worried about the DT and CB position, but I'm sure something will be figured out. Everything that this new regime has done so far has been positive. Just give them a little slack, they're doing a good job
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03-21-2006, 02:26 PM	#24
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Originally Posted by stockman311 I just want someone to take off the rose colored glasses of the Bree's signing and see we aren't noticably better as a football team from last year. I have seen the future of the Saints. "All that is past is prologue" this has never been more true than for the Saints. hope is a ***** there might be some truth to your last statement, but you sound like a guy I would not want to sit and watch a game with. why be a Saints' fan? Now you sound like my wife. I couldn't agree with you more. I am a horrible person to watch a Saints game with. The explitives fly, I cuss out the refs, the coaching staff, the players for dumb mistakes, I throw things at the wall and contemplate jumping out of my second story window (especially when we play Vick). This lasts until all playoff hopes are dashed then I morph into a species of indifference. I guess to answer your question, Why be a Saints fan? The only answer I can come up with is that a sheep can't be anything but a sheep, a dog can't be anything but a dog, a Cubs fan can't be anything but a Cubs fan, and a Saints fan can't just become a Patriots or Colts fan when times are tough. That doesn't mean I can't complain about the amount of holes this team has to fill.

03-21-2006, 03:16 PM	#26
NFLDiva Smart Mouth Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 383	Originally Posted by stockman311 I couldn't agree with you more. I am a horrible person to watch a Saints game with. The explitives fly, I cuss out the refs, the coaching staff, the players for dumb mistakes, I throw things at the wall and contemplate jumping out of my second story window (especially when we play Vick). This lasts until all playoff hopes are dashed then I morph into a species of indifference. These all sound to me like normal Saint Fan symptoms I personally have done each and every one of those things
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03-21-2006, 03:12 PM	#25
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	true, you have a right to complain, but why are you adament about someone presenting you with a quick-fix solution for all positions? ride the tide, wait and see.

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BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	i've never known you to be indifferent

03-21-2006, 03:21 PM	#28
NFLDiva Smart Mouth Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 383	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue i've never known you to be indifferent Sure you have....But you made me promise I would never tell anyone about what I saw :P
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03-21-2006, 03:25 PM	#30
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	i seem to remember you drooling..... OHHHHHHH, you're talking about the time I introduced you to WhoDat.....I don't blame you