how far will young drop? i think we should all bet

spkb25 · 03-22-2006, 09:35 PM

any of you guys betting men. i am not sure that i am right so please don't think that is why i am asking, but i think this is getting interesting and i think we should start a pool. what ya say 25 bucks a person. do i hear 50?

Scout: Young runs 40-yard dash in 4.58
ESPN.com news services

Quarterback Vince Young was timed in 4.58 seconds in the 40-yard dash Wednesday on what is considered a fast track at the University of Texas in Austin, one NFL scout told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The scout said Young's time was slower than anticipated.

QB 40-yard dash times
Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M, 4.35
Marcus Vick, Va. Tech, 4.42
Brad Smith, Missouri, 4.46
D.J. Shockley, Georgia, 4.56
Barrick Nealy, Texas St., 4.57
Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo, 4.59
Ingle Martin, Furman, 4.68
Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama St., 4.75
Brett Basanez, Northwestern, 4.75
Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt, 4.77

-- Vince Young's time of 4.58 would put him in sixth place among QBs
According to the same scout, Young's overall workout was "fairly impressive," but the scout said that Young was not asked to make certain drops and throws that he would have to perform in a private team workout.

While Young completed all but five of more than 50 passes, a scout told Mortensen, "That wasn't a remarkable achievement because he wasn't asked to make many tough throws and he waited a lot on his receivers to get out of their breaks. Teams that are curious about the guy are going to want to see more when they work him out."

One of those teams is the Tennessee Titans, who will give Young a private workout on Thursday in Austin, site of Wednesday's pro workout day for Young his his Longhorn teammates.

Other teams that have scheduled private workouts include the Houston Texans and New York Jets.

Asked to compare Young's workout to one given last Friday by Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler in cold weather and swirling winds, one scout said told Mortensen, "There was no comparison. Cutler made all the throws in tough conditions while Young limited his range of throws and he was indoors."

USC quarterback Matt Leinart, the consensus top passer available for the April 29 NFL draft, will work out on April 2 on the Southern Cal campus.

Young, the former Texas quarterback, worked out for 30 minutes in front of more than 100 NFL scouts, coaches and executives who are paying close attention to the quirky throwing motion that still raises questions despite delivering a national championship.

"Very impressed," said new Texans coach Gary Kubiak, whose team owns the No. 1 pick. "The kid put on a show."

Texas officials said Washington was the only team not to have someone watching the workout.

One owner, the Texans' Bob McNair, introduced himself to Young before the throwing session. Young is from Houston and has said he'd like to play for his hometown fans.

"I think he had a good workout," McNair said.

The Texans, who were 2-14 last season, are expected to lean toward drafting USC tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush after extending quarterback David Carr's contract for three years.

McNair said he hopes to attend Bush's workout early next month. But he also indicated the Texans haven't decided who to draft or whether to keep or trade the pick.

As a quarterback who can run or throw, Young is the most intriguing player in the draft, scheduled for April 29-30 in New York. He may also be the most scrutinized as teams try to decide whether his Rose Bowl performance of 467 total yards and three rushing touchdowns will translate into the NFL.

"It's a very valuable pick," McNair said. "We all want to make a good decision."

According to NFL.com, Young measured 6-foot-4 5/8 and 228 pounds. He ran one 40-yard dash, timing 4.57 seconds, although Young said he was told he timed between 4.4 and 4.5.

Although Young wasn't scheduled to run Wednesday, he said he wanted to after watching some of his teammates do it.

"They wanted to see me run, so I ran," he said.

The change of heart impressed Kubiak.

"He's very competitive and got in an environment where everybody wanted to see him operate," Kubiak said. "He did a great job."

Young spent most of the last two seasons operating out of the shotgun. Wednesday's drills had him taking simulated snaps under center and working with five- and seven-step drops in the pocket.

"I showed them everything they wanted to see," Young said, adding he'll do individual workouts for teams that ask.

who the hell on here said he was faster then vick. come forward please someone told me that in here when i said he wasn't. where are ya?

gandhi1007 · 03-22-2006, 09:57 PM

His stock is dropping fast. I don't expect him to even be a top 7 pick.

spkb25 · 03-22-2006, 10:18 PM

me neither ghandi. but i guess we will see. maybe the raiders signed brooks to a two year deal so they could let him sit while they got him ready but i doubt it. i think he may move out of the top 10

LKelley67 · 03-22-2006, 10:53 PM

remember Aaron Rodgers, potential #1 this time last year, ending up at #24

BJSim · 03-23-2006, 01:21 AM

I think the biggest problems for all these young QB draft hopefuls is the fact that coaches and FOs around the league know rookie QBs don't go to the playoffs (Rothlisberger's an anomily folks). Coaches are being told to WIN NOW, so it's important to bring in a veteran QB and draft for one of your other needs. I think one of the big three (Leinart, Young, Cutler) will fall as far as out of the top five and another out of the top ten. One of them (Leinart) will be snatched up by Tennessee at number 3.

gandhi1007 · 03-23-2006, 02:21 PM

Can I revise my opinion? With the Raiders being dumb enough to sign Brooks, I could see them taking Young at #7. They have very similar play. I don't know which is dumber, though.

foreverfan · 03-23-2006, 02:35 PM

RUMOR TODAY

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

This is from today's Rumor Mill from PFT. I know a lot of people here don't like PFT, but I don't find their batting average any worse than most other places (at least lately).

The gist is that the Raiders loved VY's workout and will take him, if he is there when they pick. In fact, the Raiders are worried he doesn't make it past the Titans.

GoldRush26 · 03-23-2006, 04:15 PM

Ha well....notice how the only teams that "loved him" are the ones in position to trade down when they are on the clock. It's all posturing. I'm guessing that the REAL consensus is that he was unremarkable. I put my money on the Raiders snatching him if he drops that far.

spkb25 · 03-23-2006, 06:28 PM

"It's easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat; but the man worth while, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat.'"

that is my advice to big vince.

foreverfan · 03-23-2006, 06:49 PM

Young = Brooks.... awesome physical abilities... no brain...

We're not in Texas anymore Dorthy...

03-22-2006, 09:35 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	how far will young drop? i think we should all bet any of you guys betting men. i am not sure that i am right so please don't think that is why i am asking, but i think this is getting interesting and i think we should start a pool. what ya say 25 bucks a person. do i hear 50? Scout: Young runs 40-yard dash in 4.58 ESPN.com news services Quarterback Vince Young was timed in 4.58 seconds in the 40-yard dash Wednesday on what is considered a fast track at the University of Texas in Austin, one NFL scout told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The scout said Young's time was slower than anticipated. QB 40-yard dash times Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M, 4.35 Marcus Vick, Va. Tech, 4.42 Brad Smith, Missouri, 4.46 D.J. Shockley, Georgia, 4.56 Barrick Nealy, Texas St., 4.57 Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo, 4.59 Ingle Martin, Furman, 4.68 Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama St., 4.75 Brett Basanez, Northwestern, 4.75 Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt, 4.77 -- Vince Young's time of 4.58 would put him in sixth place among QBs According to the same scout, Young's overall workout was "fairly impressive," but the scout said that Young was not asked to make certain drops and throws that he would have to perform in a private team workout. While Young completed all but five of more than 50 passes, a scout told Mortensen, "That wasn't a remarkable achievement because he wasn't asked to make many tough throws and he waited a lot on his receivers to get out of their breaks. Teams that are curious about the guy are going to want to see more when they work him out." One of those teams is the Tennessee Titans, who will give Young a private workout on Thursday in Austin, site of Wednesday's pro workout day for Young his his Longhorn teammates. Other teams that have scheduled private workouts include the Houston Texans and New York Jets. Asked to compare Young's workout to one given last Friday by Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler in cold weather and swirling winds, one scout said told Mortensen, "There was no comparison. Cutler made all the throws in tough conditions while Young limited his range of throws and he was indoors." USC quarterback Matt Leinart, the consensus top passer available for the April 29 NFL draft, will work out on April 2 on the Southern Cal campus. Young, the former Texas quarterback, worked out for 30 minutes in front of more than 100 NFL scouts, coaches and executives who are paying close attention to the quirky throwing motion that still raises questions despite delivering a national championship. "Very impressed," said new Texans coach Gary Kubiak, whose team owns the No. 1 pick. "The kid put on a show." Texas officials said Washington was the only team not to have someone watching the workout. One owner, the Texans' Bob McNair, introduced himself to Young before the throwing session. Young is from Houston and has said he'd like to play for his hometown fans. "I think he had a good workout," McNair said. The Texans, who were 2-14 last season, are expected to lean toward drafting USC tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush after extending quarterback David Carr's contract for three years. McNair said he hopes to attend Bush's workout early next month. But he also indicated the Texans haven't decided who to draft or whether to keep or trade the pick. As a quarterback who can run or throw, Young is the most intriguing player in the draft, scheduled for April 29-30 in New York. He may also be the most scrutinized as teams try to decide whether his Rose Bowl performance of 467 total yards and three rushing touchdowns will translate into the NFL. "It's a very valuable pick," McNair said. "We all want to make a good decision." According to NFL.com, Young measured 6-foot-4 5/8 and 228 pounds. He ran one 40-yard dash, timing 4.57 seconds, although Young said he was told he timed between 4.4 and 4.5. Although Young wasn't scheduled to run Wednesday, he said he wanted to after watching some of his teammates do it. "They wanted to see me run, so I ran," he said. The change of heart impressed Kubiak. "He's very competitive and got in an environment where everybody wanted to see him operate," Kubiak said. "He did a great job." Young spent most of the last two seasons operating out of the shotgun. Wednesday's drills had him taking simulated snaps under center and working with five- and seven-step drops in the pocket. "I showed them everything they wanted to see," Young said, adding he'll do individual workouts for teams that ask. who the hell on here said he was faster then vick. come forward please someone told me that in here when i said he wasn't. where are ya?
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03-22-2006, 10:18 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	RE: how far will young drop? i think we should all bet me neither ghandi. but i guess we will see. maybe the raiders signed brooks to a two year deal so they could let him sit while they got him ready but i doubt it. i think he may move out of the top 10

03-23-2006, 04:15 PM	#8
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Ha well....notice how the only teams that "loved him" are the ones in position to trade down when they are on the clock. It's all posturing. I'm guessing that the REAL consensus is that he was unremarkable. I put my money on the Raiders snatching him if he drops that far.
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03-22-2006, 09:57 PM	#2
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	RE: how far will young drop? i think we should all bet His stock is dropping fast. I don't expect him to even be a top 7 pick.

03-22-2006, 10:53 PM	#4
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	remember Aaron Rodgers, potential #1 this time last year, ending up at #24

03-23-2006, 01:21 AM	#5
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	I think the biggest problems for all these young QB draft hopefuls is the fact that coaches and FOs around the league know rookie QBs don't go to the playoffs (Rothlisberger's an anomily folks). Coaches are being told to WIN NOW, so it's important to bring in a veteran QB and draft for one of your other needs. I think one of the big three (Leinart, Young, Cutler) will fall as far as out of the top five and another out of the top ten. One of them (Leinart) will be snatched up by Tennessee at number 3.

03-23-2006, 02:21 PM	#6
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Can I revise my opinion? With the Raiders being dumb enough to sign Brooks, I could see them taking Young at #7. They have very similar play. I don't know which is dumber, though.

03-23-2006, 02:35 PM	#7
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	RUMOR TODAY http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm This is from today's Rumor Mill from PFT. I know a lot of people here don't like PFT, but I don't find their batting average any worse than most other places (at least lately). The gist is that the Raiders loved VY's workout and will take him, if he is there when they pick. In fact, the Raiders are worried he doesn't make it past the Titans.

03-23-2006, 06:28 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	"It's easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat; but the man worth while, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat.'" that is my advice to big vince.

03-23-2006, 06:49 PM	#10
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Young = Brooks.... awesome physical abilities... no brain... We're not in Texas anymore Dorthy...