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According to Madden 2006 for XBOX 360 the Saints current FA signings are rated as follows:

QB Drew Brees = 88 overall
LOLB Scott Fujita = 82 overall
RB Michael Bennett = 82 overall
MLB Anthony Simmons = 89 overall
S Omar Stoutmire = 78 overall
C Dwayne Ledford = 69 overall

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Brees is a 1 point improvement over Brooks, which is complete crap.
Fujita is 6 point improvement over Hodge
Bennett is a 3 point improvement over last years backup Smith
Simmons is a 8 point improvement over Mckinnon
Stoutmire is just for depth
Ledford is just for depth

again all this info is from madden 2006. and i dont think mckinnon is our starter because i cant think of who he is. but whatever

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bwahaahahahahahaha

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"Brees is a 1 point improvement over Brooks, which is complete crap. "

Talk about crap, Brees will prove alot of ppl wrong when he gets to play.

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here we go hyping this guy... he isn't the savior... he will not win games for us, but he won't lose them very much for us either. He is above average at best, and had a great OL and the #1 RB behind him and lets not forget a pretty good damn D as well so... unless we get than happening here in NO as well don't expect much improvement unless the OL and D improve.

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Euph, what are you talking about man? Granted the guy had a great RB, but where the hell are you getting this idea that he had an amazing line? They're line is crappy, at best. Did you even read this post I made last week?

So seriously, do you have a grudge against him or something? Are you one of those few that actually wanted Rivers? Did Brees' winning seasons, Pro Bowl, and playoff appearances rub you the wrong way? So once again I'll say, if you don't like him, that's fine, but don't make stuff up so that people will start being pessimistic, especially when what you're making up is entirely fictitious. You gotta give credit where credit is due.

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See here is another stellar response, someone making something of nothing. I am trying to diffuse HYPE that is not warranted. I did not want Rivers, I have no grude agains Brees but hyping him up to be the savior is ridiculous... Give me a great RB and pretty good Oline and a good D and I'd be ok... come one. If we don't get an OLINE or a D then having Brees at QB means nothing. He will not make up for a poor Oline or horrible D.

where did I mentioned I had a grudge or wanted Rivers??? geez.

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You're not killing hype, you're saying he's not very good, when it's obvious that he is. Average players don't make Pro Bowls. Nobody said he was the savior, but I think everybody would agree that he's a huge upgrade over AB.

And now their line is only good? So you're changing your story now? What about the 2000 Ravens? They had one of the best Ds of all time, Jamal Lewis was playing great, and their OLine actually had really really good players on it including a healthy Jonathan Ogden. But was it so easy for Trent Dilfer? No, he sucked that year. He had a QB rating of 76.6 and completed less than 60% of his passes. Just because a guy has a good OLine, a great RB, and even an AMAZING defense, doens't mean he's going to be a great QB. Give Brees a little credit here Euph, he was the one actually throwing the balls.

You never mentioned you had a grudge or wanted Rivers, but that's all I can think of to try and explain to myself why you say that Brees isn't any good.

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I'm pretty sure their O-Line sucked for ahile, didn't they?

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I said it before, i'll say it again, before Brees blew up two years ago, San Diego's O-line was pre-season ranked the worst in football. The ONLY reason I know is because people on here wanted to argue so much our line was the worst. Brees had a pro bowl season, and now they have a great line? Don't think so. San Diego's O-line is average at best, What improved was the decisions by the QB. Where have I heard we needed that before? Deuce is so spot on with his assessment it's unreal. Euph wanted Brooks to stay, and noone else is good enough, so he is completely farbricating stuff about San D to prove a point. They DO NOT have a great O-line. But they did have a VERY smart QB. Now we have him. Deal with it.

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Just hatin', that's all it is....

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We have great receivers,always have just no one to get them the ball.Now we have that and people are complaining. We dont need a miracle worker just an above average qb that can make good decisions.obviously Brees can do that are else he wouldnt have made it to the probowl. People need to stop complaining about him because he is a hell of a lot better than Brooks is are ever will be.Get us a healthy o-line and a healthy Duece and watch his smoke.

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Everyone beware, we have another AB fan on the wrong site. This Black and Gold, not Black and Silver. You were close though.

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Hey....havin a group of players ranked in the 80's is not really that bad. As far as McKinnon...I'm not sure what he got but I'll say it again...the guys can hit as good as anybody and he's a very good run stopper. Although I understand the fact that we don't need the greatest O-Line on the planet....with Brees at the helm...it would really help to get some studs to protect Brees. I say this now without even seeing how Brees will perform once he returns. He may be psychologically shaken and he may not produce or he'll be as confident and as cocky as usual. But for the sake of his mental psyche....I think having a few studs on the o-line will simply make him feel....a bit more comfortable. 8)

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I agree with you, take brick, and then mangold. That will give us the youngest and one of the top 5 offensive lines in the league. A good start on rebuilding a team with a brand new pro bowl QB.

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If you were Madden, how high a grade would you give a qb who's undergone reconstructive shoulder surgery on his throwing arm who had only 1.5 decent years?

I'd still draft Lienart, Brees has a high probablility of being a bust and one so immediately.

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i'd draft Leinart just to dangle him in front of other teams for trades. If we draft right, we will have a kick ass line to protect our new golden boy.

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A bust? How so? Only way I can see it is if the shoulder gets hurt again, but apparently he's further than expected in his rehab. He's proven that he is a Pro Bowl caliber QB, even with a pathetic line. The guy can just flat out play. He's a smart, energetic QB who is going to be the leader and the heart and soul of this offense, something that we have lacked for a LONG LONG LONG time.

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Deuce, I agree that Brees has had some game the last 1.5 years. It's all too likely that Brees won't be ready or that he won't pan out simply based on the type of injury. I watched Chad Pennington get injured the first time, then get reinjured worse the second time, and Brees was injured worse than Pennington. The Pennington camp said he was ahead of schedule, too, but he couldn't throw a sideline route or any pass over 20 yards with zip BEFORE his second injury. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I'd rather have Lienart seeing a bit of history. Who's going to be the backup? AMac? I'm sitting on a turd that's got a better chance of winding up on a football field before AMac starts, he's not going to be ready for 2-3 years. Get Lienart and make them compete. At least there will be a fair chance a quality quarterback will take the field in 2006.

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And you know this how?

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Xan, I am in agreement with your analysis, other than which quarterback to take in the draft but that has been debated elsewhere. If Brees can start great, go get em, but if he can't go (and and I don't know of any in recent memory that have had this surgery and where as productive comming back as they where before), then there better be a quality backup and not a one year stop gap journeyman there to fill his jock.

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No xan, you're way off. Pennington completely tore his rotator cuff and his labrum. That's a HUGE injury, and one that not many people can bounce back from. A rotator cuff really affects the shoulder on a long-term basis and never quite heals all the way. Brees tore his labrum, and had a miniscule tear of the rotator cuff which was fixed with minor surgery (Pennington had to have major surgery on his rotator cuff). The labrum injury, although it's not something that can just be brushed off, is not nearly as serious as the rotator cuff. People can return from that injury in months as opposed to years with a rotator cuff injury. Pennington's injury was completely different from Brees'. You have a right to be scared about Brees' injury, but don't think that it's something like Pennington's injury, because it's not. Besides, we have way too many other holes on this team to draft a QB with the #2 pick, especially when Payton is planning on picking up a vet backup QB later.

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picking a qb with the second pick is a bad idea, its too late for that, picking up a qb with that pick shows lack of faith in brees, and thats not a good look mr. benson is tryin to present to the city of new orleans and all saints fans..........my opinion, im just one guy a great one but just one guy

wheelman:



I've got a talented turd.

Ahhhh, yes. The classic question dodge. Gearing up for an election in November?

Edit: Oh, and my turd is better than your turd. It can pilot jets. It's currently flying a secret mission over N. Korea.

Is your turd President? Mine scored too high on the Wonderlich to qualify as a Republican candidate.

I didn't see either MRI's to determine which was worse. I was only going on reports to the media and I didn't happen to see "miniscule", but you know better.... The only true way of telling how bad Brees' shoulder is to see him throw. Which we really won't until LATE July, too late for my blood to find a quality replacement.

Lmaoooo wtf is up with the turd stuff....... Anyways you would have to be stupid to compare Penningtons injury to Brees Penningtons was really bad and had to have major surgery and to say brees will be a bust makes you even more a moron and to say his line was great bwhahahahahahaha then you have the Brooks lovers still gah get over it he is gone and he is not the answer and yes Brees is our answer ppl say ah 2 more years left in him WTF !!! he is 27 geeeeshshshshs ppl give him a chance, we havent even seen him on the field yet......

Bet he dosent smile and laugh after he makes an interception! thats what i will be happy about no more Brooks YESSS!!! for the raider fans i feel bad 4 them........

Ok....I thought we agreed to drop the Brooks ordeal. :biggun:
I don't think one has to be a Brooks fan to simply state that a crappy OL affects QB performance. Its just common sense. With that said....from a psychological standpoint....I feel Brees would simply be more comfortable if we picked up a stud or 2 for our OL. I mean the guy is still human and I'm sure even if it is to the tiniest extent that his injury will weigh on his mind. As far as the backup scenario....I think it is about damn time we figured out if Amac can handle it or not! I remember all the hype surrounding him and how good he is and how he was only affected by his FSU incident. Really? FINE...SHOW ME THE GOODS!!!! :argue:

Look I'm no doctor and I've never gone through the injury if any one has and was a quarterback on this board please speak up. Until then I've never heard a player state that they would not be ready to go, and there always ahead of schedule. When Brees was signed I said Uhno to much money if he can't play, but when you look at the contract, if he can't play or has lost "it" then the team is only hit for one year, this season. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket, ya I'm sure a "veteren free agent QB" is the solution. That's been the solution over the past three years. Give me a break.

Xan has a point, and a good one at that. I think there will be a backup plan and there needs to be. Until he is throwing the ball we will not know, no will Drew by that matter, but by then it could very well be too late to do anything about it.

Every year players go down with injury and don't return to form, so you just don't know what you have until he's on the field. Sure the mental part of his game should be there, but if the arm doesn't work you need a backup plan that can carry you through the season and into the future. And Brees being a competditor should understand that (Come on everyone feels that Delhome was released because Brooks couldn't deal with the pressure of a viable backup).

The reality is that the team is in a good situation to draft or trade and then draft players that will help this team succeed. But those of you who can say that we have Brees the position is locked should not be living in lala land. I hope he can come back and play to a high level but if he can't then what's your solution to the problem for this season and the future? Because if you look at the jets, they had none. (well feidler but he was knocked out 9 plays later)

I CAN SEE THE BROOKS HATERS DROOLING FOR A NEW QB TO BASH. YOU JUST CANT MAKE SOME FOLKS HAPPY :chainsaw:

I actually posted this a while ago, xan.

And this:
There is going to be a backup plan, in the form of a veteran backup QB. Payton has already said he's going to do this. There's just no need to draft Leinart anymore because we have our starting QB, and if he happens to get hurt again, we'll have a veteran QB signed by the time the season starts.

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I they have a pretty good line... LT can't get the yards with out blockers. They haven't been all that stellar but they have done some good work.

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What? If you're talking about the Chargers' line again Euph, that's just plain ignorant and annoying.

noted sports orthopedist Dr. James Andrews:

"If anyone can recover from that," Hontas said, "I would think Drew Brees can."

Which, as one used to reading Drs. comments, means, "If it were possible to recover fully from this injury, Drew Brees may have as good a shot as any given his youth and lack of disease." A 360 degree tear of the Labrium is a very serious injury, notwithstanding the self-interested sugarcoating by Brees or the compound "one anchor" tear of the cuff.

I don't like that prognosis one bit and haven't since I read that same article, especially since his doctor won't comment publicly.


"From hells heart, I spit at thee" (John Milton's Paradise Lost- Not Kahn from Star Trek).

Why don't you like it? It's given detailed information about the injury, and the success that the surgery had. Hell, the Saints orthopedic staff looked at DVDs of the surgery and determined it went well, at least good enough to offer him $60 million!!!!!!!!!

Deuce Ive seen the surgey performed on my own brother who tore his labrum his senior year in high school. Granted he tor it wrestiling, and he still recieved a scholarship, but 5 years later he still does not have the full range of motion. It took him two full years before he got the strength back fully and still does not have the range of motion he once did through the joint 5 years later. Now it was not his job on the line to get back to form but it was his scolarship.

In short I have seen a similar injury (torn labrum) and the recovery time, and thats in a 19 year old in peak shape. I know Brees is going to physical therapy, but that includes very minor stuff like arm raises, ect, to keep the ligaments limber but thats it. What happens is the arm atrophies, and its a good 4 months before you can start activities to put the muscle back on at BESTcase scenerio.

I suggest looking into it and researching the facts because everything printed in the media I am leary of, as it is used to push propaganda, in this case tickets.
And its not 60 Million is a ten Mil gaurenteed contract, that could earn him nothing beyond this season.

Both Miami and San Diego passed on him because of the injury. If there was no injury to the trowing arm, San diago would have had a harder time letting go and Miami would have come to terms as opposed to going after Culpepper, and leavin NO as second choice.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Drew Brees Hater. I'm only suggesting that given how lousy the qb position has been the last several years, putting all eggs in the Brees basket is not a good idea. I'm perfectly willing to rally around him, but I'm not convinced that banking on his recovery is worth giving up drafting one of the best quarterbacks the college game has seen in the last decade, all due respects to the Mannings. We'll still get quality draft picks in the next rounds and there's a lot that will happen between now and camp relative to FA linemen.

All the good quality backups are taken. Don't make me rally around Bouman or Tommy Maddox or Jay Fiedler or Seneca Wallace because you can't conceive of a future where Brees won't pan out.